To add my 2 cents worth to this discussion. I also do not like the idea of an updated / modified note on a page that won't get changed (transcribed records, family photos, etc for example). I mentioned this to Marti and she explained that it helps the visitors who revisit the page to know that nothing has changed since their last visit and therefore they do not need to re-read or re-search the page. My personal feelings on the subject is - If I haven't been to a site before and I find a lot of pages with updated/modified dates that are years old my first thought is that the CC isn't doing much. I also have my name & e-mail address at the top of all of my TOC pages but I've never put it on those pages that never get updated or on the pages submitted by volunteers (their names & addresses are at the top instead) and certainly never put it on the bottom of a page. However, be that as it may, it's not my decision. If I'm going to have an OK county then I'll abide by the rules and add the information to each of my pages as requested. My Muskogee site got evaluated recently and these two items were my "NO"s. Since I'm just bring the site back up this information is not yet on all of the pages. I'll get to it as soon as I can. Linda homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 MuskogeeCoOk: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okmuskog SurnameLists: H.A.A.S/H.A.S.S. L.E.W.A.L.L.E.N >

Ethel, I don't use the rootsweb update script and my pages are on rootsweb. Check the html editor you're using and see if it has a last edited stamp it can put into a page. I never have to worry about it. My editor automatically takes care of updating the update. I like to tinker with my pages, you know... nudge this -- change that... all to get the page just right. Seldom do I get a page just exactly like I want it the first time around. So even the pages that aren't going to be changed sometimes wind up getting changed. If a page is never changed then the last edited date IS the created date. "Page created" is the same length as "Last edited". If you start out a page with "page created" but then later change it you have to change the phrase "Page created" to "Last edited" so why go to that trouble? Make it consistant across all your pages to begin with and say "Last edited". -------------------- Ron Henson http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchocta Yahoo IM okchocta

----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Morgan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [OK-Coordinators] Update on each page On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Charmaine Keith wrote: > The last update date is required on all pages created by a coordinator. The > last update date also allows Marti, Sharon and the site evaluator to know > that the site is still being maintained by an active coordinator because the > site will have update dates that vary throughout the year. Also allowing the > researcher (who we do this for) to know that the information is as current > as possible and that our pages are easier to use because of our maintaining > these pages. > > Data pages, histories, stories, etc. will continue to maintain the same last > update date as when you originally created the page unless you make > corrections and/or add additional information to the page at a later date. So, you are saying that there has to be a last update at the bottom of plain text pages? I thought it just applied to html pages. That code is not going to work on plain text pages, and it is not going to work on some pages that are not on Rootsweb. (No plain text pages do not have to have last update. But would seem logical to add the date as to when it was posted, it is for the researchers benefit, and let them know that the information will not change.) Charmaine It you put a bit of info up in 1996, and there is no reason to change it, a 1996 date is going to look really bad to visitors in 2002. (That is right, it is the coordinator who need to check their pages, they are the one that will look bad for not keeping their pages up to date. HTML pages need to be checked, making sure that all the information and links are still in operating order, for the researcher and ease of using our pages. With the update code one little change in the page will cause the update to change, so if you find a link that isn't working and remove it, you changed the page, update will take place automatically. UPDATE CODE is the Coordinators option to use or not to use it. But an update is required on all html pages. Already stated what I would do with text pages above) Charmaine David [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm

The last update date is required on all pages created by a coordinator. The last update date also allows Marti, Sharon and the site evaluator to know that the site is still being maintained by an active coordinator because the site will have update dates that vary throughout the year. Also allowing the researcher (who we do this for) to know that the information is as current as possible and that our pages are easier to use because of our maintaining these pages. Data pages, histories, stories, etc. will continue to maintain the same last update date as when you originally created the page unless you make corrections and/or add additional information to the page at a later date. There is a update code that can be added to each page when it is created, you can find it in the Basic Requirements it will do the work for you and add the date when ever you change the page. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vol/basicreq.htm#update Charmaine Keith Atoka Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okatoka/atoka.htm Delaware Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okdelawa/del.htm Cherokee Nation http://www.rootsweb.com/~itcherok/

--- "David W. Morgan" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > It you put a bit of info up in 1996, and there is no > reason to change it, > a 1996 date is going to look really bad to visitors > in 2002. > > David > Don't you think the content of the page would let them know it's an un-updateable type page? Ethel ===== ^*^*^*^*^**^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* List Admin - ASHLEY-L, CRISP-L, PRINCE-L, OKKIOWA-L <a href=http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4231/>ASHLEY, CRISP, PRINCE</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/okkiowa.html>Kiowa Co. OK</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/itkiowa-comanche-apache.html>Kiowa-Comanche-Apache Lands</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/itcheyenne_arapaho.html></a>Cheyenne-Arapaho Lands <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/civilwarIT.html>"Dust In The Wind", Civil War In Indian Territory</a> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Ron, my pages are on tripod. I don't believe the rootsweb update code would work there, for one thing. So why put the word "updated" if it's not going to be? --- Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm puzzled. If you're going to add a date to the > page anyways, why is it > any more difficult to add the last updated code > instead? > > -------------------- > Ron Henson > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchocta > Yahoo IM okchocta > ===== ^*^*^*^*^**^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* List Admin - ASHLEY-L, CRISP-L, PRINCE-L, OKKIOWA-L <a href=http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4231/>ASHLEY, CRISP, PRINCE</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/okkiowa.html>Kiowa Co. OK</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/itkiowa-comanche-apache.html>Kiowa-Comanche-Apache Lands</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/itcheyenne_arapaho.html></a>Cheyenne-Arapaho Lands <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/civilwarIT.html>"Dust In The Wind", Civil War In Indian Territory</a> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

I'm puzzled. If you're going to add a date to the page anyways, why is it any more difficult to add the last updated code instead? -------------------- Ron Henson http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchocta Yahoo IM okchocta

Folks, I was wondering what everyone is using these days to work with their queries on their websites. I have been using County Coordinators helper for several years now by Patty Lindsay. But I have not seen her update it or make any changes to it since about 1998. Are there some alternatives out there? If so what? And are they better than or easier than this tool? I could even sit down and write an equivalent or better tool than this one, but just don't have the time right now to do it. Thanks! Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Ken A. Baker [email protected] Researching Baker, Bennett, Tanquary, McGonigal, Drake

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Ethel wrote: > > --- "David W. Morgan" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > It you put a bit of info up in 1996, and there is no > > reason to change it, > > a 1996 date is going to look really bad to visitors > > in 2002. > > > > David > > > Don't you think the content of the page would let them > know it's an un-updateable type page? > Ethel > Not really. Not with the questions I get asked. Some folks have no clue about anything David [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm

They don't ----- Original Message ----- From: Ethel <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [OK-Coordinators] Question-----again > A couple weeks or so, I asked this questin, but never > heard back. Why do pages that are never to be updated, > such as stories, history, cemeteries, information, > etc, have to have an "updated date" clause on them? > Many of my pages for Kiowa Co., Kiowa-Comanche-Apache, > and Cheyenne-Arapaho contain nothing that will ever be > updated. I always try to remember to date the pages > when I put them up, ( at least I think that date is on > all of them) and on those pages, there is nothing to > update. > > Ethel > > ===== > ^*^*^*^*^**^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* > List Admin - ASHLEY-L, CRISP-L, PRINCE-L, OKKIOWA-L > <a href=http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4231/>ASHLEY, CRISP, PRINCE</a> > <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/okkiowa.html>Kiowa Co. OK</a> > <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/itkiowa-comanche-apache.html>Kiowa-Coma nche-Apache Lands</a> > <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/itcheyenne_arapaho.html></a>Cheyenne-Ar apaho Lands > <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/civilwarIT.html>"Dust In The Wind", Civil War In Indian Territory</a> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > >

<snip> Why do pages that are never to be updated, such as stories, history, cemeteries, information, etc, have to have an "updated date" clause on them? <snip> I usually try to stay out of this stuff, BUT, [ always seems to be one of those in a sentence like this doesn't there ] it seems to be perfectly reasonable that if the page is dated when it was put up on the site it should be ok. After all, that IS the last "update" date. Just my $0.02 worth. Now I will "BUT" back out. (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie and Tracie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on!

Hey, I guess nobody is immune from this page update. They are demanding that I add the update to a chat room page and among others to add it to a page that holds only a 1898 image of a map. Where does it end? Preston > It you put a bit of info up in 1996, and there is no reason to change it, > a 1996 date is going to look really bad to visitors in 2002. > > David > > [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > > >

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Charmaine Keith wrote: > The last update date is required on all pages created by a coordinator. The > last update date also allows Marti, Sharon and the site evaluator to know > that the site is still being maintained by an active coordinator because the > site will have update dates that vary throughout the year. Also allowing the > researcher (who we do this for) to know that the information is as current > as possible and that our pages are easier to use because of our maintaining > these pages. > > Data pages, histories, stories, etc. will continue to maintain the same last > update date as when you originally created the page unless you make > corrections and/or add additional information to the page at a later date. So, you are saying that there has to be a last update at the bottom of plain text pages? I thought it just applied to html pages. That code is not going to work on plain text pages, and it is not going to work on some pages that are not on Rootsweb. It you put a bit of info up in 1996, and there is no reason to change it, a 1996 date is going to look really bad to visitors in 2002. David [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm

A couple weeks or so, I asked this questin, but never heard back. Why do pages that are never to be updated, such as stories, history, cemeteries, information, etc, have to have an "updated date" clause on them? Many of my pages for Kiowa Co., Kiowa-Comanche-Apache, and Cheyenne-Arapaho contain nothing that will ever be updated. I always try to remember to date the pages when I put them up, ( at least I think that date is on all of them) and on those pages, there is nothing to update. Ethel ===== ^*^*^*^*^**^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* List Admin - ASHLEY-L, CRISP-L, PRINCE-L, OKKIOWA-L <a href=http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4231/>ASHLEY, CRISP, PRINCE</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/okkiowa.html>Kiowa Co. OK</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/itkiowa-comanche-apache.html>Kiowa-Comanche-Apache Lands</a> <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/itcheyenne_arapaho.html></a>Cheyenne-Arapaho Lands <a href=http://rebelcherokee.tripod.com/civilwarIT.html>"Dust In The Wind", Civil War In Indian Territory</a> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

[email protected] will not work after May 1 update to [email protected] Thanks, mg

The following interviews have been added to the Indian Pioneer Papers at http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/ Link freely but do not copy and paste the interviews to other mailing list or web sites. Adam Folsom Cairo, Coal Co. Adam Folsom & John W. Ward Cairo, Coal Co. Bose Scott Muskogee, Muskogee Co. Margaret Silina Clark Durant, Bryan Co. C. E. Foley Eufaula, McIntosh Co. Jim Rumsey Eufaula, McIntosh Co.

OKGenWeb chat opens at (9pm Oklahoma time). Bring your questions and we'll try to help. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/spinchat.htm type your name in the small box at the bottom of the screen requires no password If you chose a name that someone else is using on the site perhaps in another area of the site you will be asked for a password. You may have to be creative to find a user name that is available. Some using Netscape Navigator aren't able to access the page. I have 4.7 and have no problem accessing the site. mg

I won't be able to make it tonight, but I will try and drop in next week! Thanks! Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Ken A. Baker [email protected] Researching Baker, Bennett, Tanquary, McGonigal, Drake -----Original Message----- From: okgenweb [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 6:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [OK-Coordinators] Chat reminder OKGenWeb chat opens at (9pm Oklahoma time). Bring your questions and we'll try to help. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/spinchat.htm type your name in the small box at the bottom of the screen requires no password If you chose a name that someone else is using on the site perhaps in another area of the site you will be asked for a password. You may have to be creative to find a user name that is available. Some using Netscape Navigator aren't able to access the page. I have 4.7 and have no problem accessing the site. mg

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, okgenweb wrote: > OKGenWeb chat opens at (9pm Oklahoma time). > > Bring your questions and we'll try to help. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/spinchat.htm > > type your name in the small box at the bottom of the screen > requires no password > > If you chose a name that someone else is using on the site perhaps in > another area of the site you will be asked for a password. You may have to > be creative to find a user name that is available. > > Some using Netscape Navigator aren't able to access the page. I have 4.7 > and have no problem accessing the site. > > mg I have Netscape 4.7 but java has been disabled by the library. Oh well. David [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm

I am not in Ardmore, but I subscribe to the Waurika paper. For several years, I have contributed to the Jeff Co rootsweb page a list of obits for each year, and I have submitted a copy of the obit to anyone who requested one. In addition, the obits are published by the local funeral home. He can contact me. Sheridan [email protected] "David W. Morgan" wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:26:38 -0600 > From: Butch Bridges <[email protected]> > To: T&T Reader <[email protected]> > Subject: This and That Vol 6 Issue 259 > > Saturday April 6, 2002 T&T Weekly Vol 6 Issue 259 > > > > Bill Hamm is still needing to find someone in Ardmore who subscribes to > the Waurika newspaper. He needs it to obtain the orbits to go in the > Jefferson county deaths database and website. If anyone can help, send > Bill some email at...... > [email protected] > >