May 15, 2002 is closing date for all Evaluations The following url is the work sheet for the evaluations. This work sheet shows when the evaluation was done and sent to coordinator and the date the evaluation was completed (county meets all OKGenWeb requirements). http://www.rootsweb.com/~itcherok/evaluation2.htm If your county evaluation shows that county page is within all of the requirements or you have already made the needed changes and the county has been rechecked, you DO NOT need to contact anyone as your counties are already marked as completed. If your county evaluation indicated you needed to make changes, contact Charmaine at [email protected] immediately after completing required changes in order to have your county rechecked and listed as complete Charmaine Atoka Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okatoka/atoka.htm Cherokee Nation http://www.rootsweb.com/~itcherok/ Choctaw Nation http://www.rootsweb.com/~itchocta/ Delaware Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okdelawa/del.htm

On Sat, 11 May 2002 [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 5/11/2002 6:38:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > You are assuming that it will pass. That is a large assumption. > > > > David > > Hey David and everyone else, > If I was voting it would have my vote (one for each county Bob) :o), > and I also would add an amendment that the county / state pages or archives > must remain on the server that the USGenweb / OKGenweb says that it should be > on. > The information submitted is to the county or state pages not the to the > coordinator or the archivist. > It is ridiculous that a coordinator or archivist can just quit and erase all > the information that was submitted "to the site". Bill, I am not at all sure what Dennis is talking about when he is talking about archive, but the USGenWeb Archives has been run the same way since 1996, and it will continue to be run the same way, no matter what the advisory board or some committee does. I don't see the advisory board trying to interfere in the inner workings of OKGenWeb, so why do they try to interfere with the way the archives does business? I don't see them trying to tell Pam how to run the Tombstone Project. It is always the USGenWeb Archives that seems to be the target. Nobody wants people to get mad and delete everything when they leave. That happened in OKGenWeb in Nov or Dec 1998, when the CC AND the archivist for Pittsburg? county deleted all the cemeteries on both the county web site and in the archives for that county. You think a rule change is going to prevent that? The files donated to the USGenWeb Archives are there for permanent storage. That is the way it was set up in 1996, that is the way it still operates, and the way it will continue to operate. You don't donate books to a library, and then turn around and ask for the books back. If you are talking about a county web site, those are different rules. Like I said, I am sure sure exactly what Dennie is talking about. As I told the newest chair of the of the Bylaws committee, I will vote NO on anything that changes the status of the archives with the USGenWeb Project. David > Bill Cook > County Coordinator for Harmon County, OK: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okharmon/harmon.htm > Kay Co. Oklahoma > <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~okkay/okkay.htm">Kay County, Oklahoma</A> > ========================================= > County archivist for the following counties: > Cherokee Co., OK.: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/cherokee/cherokee.html > Harmon Co., OK.: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/harmon/harmon.htm > Payne Co., OK.: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/payne/payne1.htm > Rogers Co., OK.: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/rogers/rogers.htm > ======================================== > List administrator for: > [email protected] > [email protected] > ======================================== > Board administrator for: > <A HREF="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.oklahoma.counties.harmon">RootsWeb Message Boards [ Harmon ]</A> > My Main genealogy webpage is Cooks Hangout: > http://members.aol.com/wcook14024/cookshangout.html > [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm

In a message dated 5/11/2002 12:01:48 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > welcome J. Myles Felihkatubbe as the new CC for Garfield County and > the Cherokee Outlet Welcome aboard J.Myles Bill Cook County Coordinator for Harmon County, OK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okharmon/harmon.htm ========================================= County archivist for the following counties: Cherokee Co., OK.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/cherokee/cherokee.html Harmon Co., OK.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/harmon/harmon.htm Payne Co., OK.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/payne/payne1.htm Rogers Co., OK.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/rogers/rogers.htm ======================================== List administrator for: [email protected] [email protected] ======================================== Board administrator for: <A HREF="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.oklahoma.counties.harmon">RootsWeb Message Boards [ Harmon ]</A> My Main genealogy webpage is Cooks Hangout: http://members.aol.com/wcook14024/cookshangout.html

On Sat, 11 May 2002, Dennis Muncrief wrote: > I am on the USGenWeb Bylaw Committee and what has happened in the past with > some of the archives is that the coordinators have actually taken physical > control of data submitted by many different individuals and and called the > archives their own work. They have attempted to copyright other peoples > work and even deleted all the information on the archive when they either > quit or or replaced for their behavior. > > This is an effort to make sure that the fate of the archives are not at the > whim of a single person and will not be in such a position as to "rip off" > the contributors of all the data that was freely submitted. It is more to > protect the submitters rights than anything else. > > Even if this passes, the contributor of any data can call for it's removal, > from any archive, at any time and it will be done as requested. > > Dennis Muncrief > Host - Murray County, OK You are assuming that it will pass. That is a large assumption. David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Morgan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [OK-Coordinators] USGenWeb Proposed Admendments > > > > On Sat, 11 May 2002, Bob Chada wrote: > > > > > Ron, those are a set of proposed by laws ammendments from the State of > Nevada. > > > > > > If four more states sponsor them, we will be voting on them in July. > > > > > > > The official USGenWeb By Laws Revision Committee site is at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~censlook/ByLaws/. Take a look there and see > what is > > > happening, and email any of the reps with comments you may have. > > > > > > It will be a miracle if the official committee gets anything finished and > > on the ballot in July. > > > > David > > > > [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > > > > > > > > [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm

Can someone who understands what is going on, please explain why the UsGenWeb Archives is being separated from the UsGenWeb, and what is/will be the "Data Library" Section 2. "The UsGenWeb Project Archives(SM)" changed to: "The USGenWeb Project Data Library" Ron & Elaine Long ~McIntosh County OKGenWeb <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okmcinto/index.htm> ~McIntosh County Archives <http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ok/mcintosh/mcintosh.html> ----- Original Message ----- From: "okgenweb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:46 AM Subject: [OK-Coordinators] USGenWeb Proposed Admendments > For those who are interested-- > > the proposed amendments to The USGenWeb Project bylaws submitted by > NVGenWeb can be viewed at: http://www.usgenweb.org/official/amendments.html > >

Please welcome J. Myles Felihkatubbe as the new CC for Garfield County and the Cherokee Outlet. Check out personal site at http://www.chahtasiahoke.net/Felihkatubbee.html , got some neat graphics and also the Yell Co. AR CC at http://www.rootsweb.com/~aryell/index1 -- Sharon Burnett-Crawford, Guthrie, OK OKGenWeb Co State Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpontot/pontotoc.htm

On Sat, 11 May 2002, Bob Chada wrote: > Ron, those are a set of proposed by laws ammendments from the State of Nevada. If four more states sponsor them, we will be voting on them in July. > The official USGenWeb By Laws Revision Committee site is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~censlook/ByLaws/. Take a look there and see what is > happening, and email any of the reps with comments you may have. It will be a miracle if the official committee gets anything finished and on the ballot in July. David [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm

We are talking about the entire usgenweb project, not Oklahoma. There have been many across the U.S. that went into a tail spin and just deleted their entire archive or moved submitted data from other people without permission from the submitter. That is what I'm talking about - the entire U.S. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Morgan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [OK-Coordinators] #14 > > Dennis, how long were you an archivist? > > It is hard to figure out what you are talking about, and what > specific incident you are talking about. I don't know of any > archivist going off the deep end. > > People get mad and quit, but that is not the same thing as going > crazy or going off the deep end. > > As for changing the password for the archives, I request a > password change whenever it is necessary, for the TXGenWeb Archives. > Since we only have one password for 254 counties, sometimes we have > to ask for a password change more than we'd like. Most of the people > that work in the archives are not going to delete everything when they > leave. If that is what you are working on with the bylaws committee, > to tell the USGenWeb Archives how to protect the files, you are just > wasting your time. Find something more productive to argue about. We > are going to ignore you, anyway. (I speak for myself) > > As for the county web site, I have my data in the archives, plus I > have it in the the search engine on the county web side, plus I have > Google blocked from archiving my site. Just in case I get mad and > leave, nobody is going to harvest it, except for the queries, which > were there before I was (1997) and the others which are on the > GenConnect/Ancestry boards. I also got a password change for my > Rootsweb site, so it would no longer have one of those easy to > guess passwords. It is my web space, and I plan to keep it. > > I haven't done all this for my county web space in TXGenWeb. I > am under no pressure there, and we let the SC in Texas know that > we want NO NEW RULES loud and clear! LOL What is more, he listened > to us! > > David > > On Sat, 11 May 2002, Dennis Muncrief wrote: > > > Things are a little different now that the internet has exploded on the > > scene. There is a new definition of "copyrightable" data. Facts, names, > > dates are "facts" and are not copyrightable. If a volunteer submits a > > cemetery registry, for example, the "facts" of the registry are "up for > > grabs", it is that simple. However if there are any photos, narration, > > "unique" organization of material, that is copyrightable. The trouble with > > "rogue" archivist is that they can go "off the deep end" any moment. > > > > It is my thought that any submitter MUST make sure that their data is > > correctly posted at the time of submission. It is their responsibility as > > well as the archivist to give credit where credit is due. There is no way > > to "idiot proof" the world. It is the responsibility of the State > > Coordinator or Archivist to police these people on the "fringes of reality" > > who begin to believe the data is theirs personally. The SC or SA could go > > in and change the password or something to prevent the rogue archivist from > > deleting or moving the data. > > > > It is my understanding that the submitter will be contacted if the material > > is to be REMOVED. Any submitted data belongs to the website (archive) and > > not the individual archivist. > > > > Dennis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:03 PM > > Subject: [OK-Coordinators] #14 > > > > > > > I have a real problem with amendment #14. As it is now, when a cc leaves > > all > > > material not supplied by that cc stays with the site. Under the proposed > > > amendment, all contributors/submitters have to be contacted before their > > > material can continue to be used. The problems I have are: (1) That's > > going > > > to be a nightmare to implement, and (2) All a cc has to do is not indicate > > > and/or remove the submitter's contact information and all the material > > will > > > be forever lost as it can't transfer without being able to contact the > > > submitter. > > > > > > Dennis, if you see this, what is the rationale for this proposed > > amendment? > > > > > > -------------------- > > > Ron Henson > > > Choctaw Co. Coordinator Oklahoma GenWeb > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchocta > > > Yahoo IM okchocta > > > > > > > > > [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > >

The key word here is "repost" Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [OK-Coordinators] #14 > >It is my understanding that the submitter will be contacted if the material > is to be REMOVED. Any submitted data belongs to the website (archive) and > not the individual archivist. > > Dennis, better re-read proposal 14. "the data submitters contacted if > possible for permission to repost the extant data on a new website, if > contact or permission fails, the data shall not be transferred". That says > to me that the submitter has to be contacted just to repost the material. > > -------------------- > Ron Henson > Choctaw Co. Coordinator Oklahoma GenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchocta > Yahoo IM okchocta >

Things are a little different now that the internet has exploded on the scene. There is a new definition of "copyrightable" data. Facts, names, dates are "facts" and are not copyrightable. If a volunteer submits a cemetery registry, for example, the "facts" of the registry are "up for grabs", it is that simple. However if there are any photos, narration, "unique" organization of material, that is copyrightable. The trouble with "rogue" archivist is that they can go "off the deep end" any moment. It is my thought that any submitter MUST make sure that their data is correctly posted at the time of submission. It is their responsibility as well as the archivist to give credit where credit is due. There is no way to "idiot proof" the world. It is the responsibility of the State Coordinator or Archivist to police these people on the "fringes of reality" who begin to believe the data is theirs personally. The SC or SA could go in and change the password or something to prevent the rogue archivist from deleting or moving the data. It is my understanding that the submitter will be contacted if the material is to be REMOVED. Any submitted data belongs to the website (archive) and not the individual archivist. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: [OK-Coordinators] #14 > I have a real problem with amendment #14. As it is now, when a cc leaves all > material not supplied by that cc stays with the site. Under the proposed > amendment, all contributors/submitters have to be contacted before their > material can continue to be used. The problems I have are: (1) That's going > to be a nightmare to implement, and (2) All a cc has to do is not indicate > and/or remove the submitter's contact information and all the material will > be forever lost as it can't transfer without being able to contact the > submitter. > > Dennis, if you see this, what is the rationale for this proposed amendment? > > -------------------- > Ron Henson > Choctaw Co. Coordinator Oklahoma GenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchocta > Yahoo IM okchocta >

On Sat, 11 May 2002, Ron Long wrote: > Can someone who understands what is going on, please explain why the > UsGenWeb Archives is being separated from the UsGenWeb, and what is/will be > the "Data Library" Ron, that is just a proposed amendment that is going to get a quick NO vote from me, should four other states sponsor it. Hopefully, OK won't be one of the states to sponsor it. David [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm

If you can help, please contact Diane direct at [email protected] >From: [email protected] >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:57:04 EDT >Subject: Mid-Continent Refinery labor strike Tulsa >To: [email protected] > >I am conducting research for my masters thesis over oil and labor in >Oklahoma's petroleum industry. I am looking for individuals who were alive >during the Mid-Continent Refinery strike that took place in Tulsa from >December 1938 until March 1940. If you know of anyone please contact Diane >Rubey phone: 918-627-4817 or e-mail [email protected]

For those who are interested-- the proposed amendments to The USGenWeb Project bylaws submitted by NVGenWeb can be viewed at: http://www.usgenweb.org/official/amendments.html

I am on the USGenWeb Bylaw Committee and what has happened in the past with some of the archives is that the coordinators have actually taken physical control of data submitted by many different individuals and and called the archives their own work. They have attempted to copyright other peoples work and even deleted all the information on the archive when they either quit or or replaced for their behavior. This is an effort to make sure that the fate of the archives are not at the whim of a single person and will not be in such a position as to "rip off" the contributors of all the data that was freely submitted. It is more to protect the submitters rights than anything else. Even if this passes, the contributor of any data can call for it's removal, from any archive, at any time and it will be done as requested. Dennis Muncrief Host - Murray County, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Morgan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [OK-Coordinators] USGenWeb Proposed Admendments > On Sat, 11 May 2002, Bob Chada wrote: > > > Ron, those are a set of proposed by laws ammendments from the State of Nevada. > > > If four more states sponsor them, we will be voting on them in July. > > > > The official USGenWeb By Laws Revision Committee site is at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~censlook/ByLaws/. Take a look there and see what is > > happening, and email any of the reps with comments you may have. > > > It will be a miracle if the official committee gets anything finished and > on the ballot in July. > > David > > [email protected] David W. Morgan Honolulu Hawaii > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > > >

Bill Cook has adopted Kay County. LaRae has adopted Blaine County And me and Aunt Margie (Etter) talked LaRae into giving us Comanche County as that is where we were raised. Sharon C.

Does anyone know where the Grant Indian Reservation was in Oklahoma? - Thanks, Linda- ----------------- Seminole Nation, I.T. www.seminolenation-indianterritory.org Indian Nations/Indian Territory Archives www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ok/nations/index.html Kaw Nation, I.T. http://www.rootsweb.com/~itkaw/KanzaNation.html

It's for the Election Committee so they will have everybody's email addy that are eligible to vote in the upcoming election. CCs and Co CCs vote. Sharon C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca York" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OK-Coordinators] ROLL CALL update > Guess it was working email addies our 'bosses' were after. So that is why > they needed you to check in to. Not just the site ;-) > > Becky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernest Drowatzky" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [OK-Coordinators] ROLL CALL update > > > > Thanks, Becky! Guess I didn't realize I > > should also respond since you are the head > > honcho! :) > > > > I am here! > > Sheridan > > > > Rebecca York wrote: > > > > > > The reason Sheridan didn't respond is because *I* did for Jefferson Co. > > > > > > Becky > > >

Teresa Young here..Pushmataha County >From: okgenweb <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [OK-Coordinators] ROLL CALL update >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:12:09 -0500 > > >Hi Folks - I appreciate the 56 of you that responded so quickly. > >In order to be ready for the Election Committee verification I need to hear >from - > > Young Teresa [email protected] Pushmataha co-cc > Walsh Bill [email protected] Oklahoma co-cc > Vieyra Kimberly [email protected] Payne > Tracey Judy [email protected] Roger Mills co-cc > Roy Pamela [email protected] Delaware Tribe > Penn Leslie [email protected] Kiowa Co. > Muncrief Dennis [email protected] Murray > Holmes Martha Kendall [email protected] Roger Mills co-cc > Drowatzky Sheridan [email protected] Jefferson co-cc > Black Edward A. [email protected] Grant & Woods > >Each email has been checked to assure the coordinator is on the CC mailing >list. > >These were not on the mailing list, but have been re-subscribed and a >private message sent to notify them of roll call and site evaluation. > >Blevins Debbie [email protected] Canadian >Bonham Linda [email protected] Johnston > > >Marti > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

> Ummm how did Pott. County get that super cool map showing the county? I love it! What a gorgeous site. I made it!!! Thanks!!! Thanks also for the heads up on the cemetery. I will see what the deal is... Susan Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma > > I tried to access the Cemeteries at Pott. County, it has an URL with jim in > > it, it doesn't work; it also doesn't work on the OKGenWeb site either, same > > URL. > > Now nobody panic, lol, but I have Tribbey family and other relations in > Pottawattamie, wondering how Tribbey came to be. > > Ummm how did Pott. County get that super cool map showing the county? I > love > it! > What a gorgeous site. > > Just me y'all >

Thanks, Becky! Guess I didn't realize I should also respond since you are the head honcho! :) I am here! Sheridan Rebecca York wrote: > > The reason Sheridan didn't respond is because *I* did for Jefferson Co. > > Becky