Tribute to our Ancestors on this day of Thanksgiving. THEY did not choose us, nor we them; we never knew them, nor they us; yet we are inextricably bound together for all eternity and there is no law in the universe, no metamorphosis physical or spiritual, that can ever alter this inalienable truth. OFTEN we may wish for different ones and feel moved to deny the ones we have, but this is as futile as it is foolish to invent spurious ones, for our deception will surely be unmasked, if not by others, ultimately by our own conscience. WE owe everything, our very existence, to our ancestors, and yet we know next to nothing of them because mostly their lives were so humbly recorded. It is good that we seek to expand our knowledge of their lives so that we may better understand our own. THEY made us, body and soul, and we must accept without complaint or rancour what they were and what we are, for nothing and no-one can ever change this fact and it is barren folly to dwell obsessively upon it. WE recognize that the legacy of genetic inheritance is a double-edged sword. We should be grateful for those gifts of personality and disposition our ancestors bestowed upon us which we find beneficial and not rail against those traits we find less appealing, for it is surely in our own hands to change them. WE should take pride in our ancestors and their achievements wherever possible, whether high-born or low, rich or poor, prince or pauper, and not seek arbitrarily to revile or condemn them for acts of which we know nothing of the causes. WE must learn from them, from their mistakes as well as their successes; from their tragedies as well as their triumphs; from their sins as well as their virtues; from their hopes as well as their fears. POSTERITY and history are irrevocably interwined in the present. No coherent vision of the future can exist without an affinity for the past and cognizance of the lives of our forebears. REMEMBER that we, too, are the ancestors of those yet unborn and we should seek to leave for them a heritage of which they can be as proud as we are of that which our forebears bequeathed to us. WE bless and thank our ancestors for the legacy of the good things they gave us, forgive them their errors and pray that we will endeavor to use wisely the knowledge which they handed down to us. © Roy Stockdill 1997 My best wishes to each of you and yours on this Thanksgiving day. Kathleen Burnett List Mom

Greetings. I am doing lookups and headstone photography for Washington County Oklahoma. With the information I have available and am gathering, I would like to start keeping a data base of information on the cemetery information. Does anyone have a suggestion as to what software to use for this? If there is nothing already available, I will setup an Excel spreadsheet and keep the query information that way. I would like to set it up to be available on the internet also. I am also considering gathering information on the largest cemetery in our area, Memorial Park Cemetery located in Bartlesville, Oklahoma. I talked to the office person today and she told me it took them 5 years to enter some of the information on the computer, but after the cemetery was sold nothing has been entered on the computer since 1997. A sad thing. I don't have a lot of time, but want to contribute back to the many people that have helped me in my research. Your suggestions would be most welcome. I have some suggestions from some individuals already, but would like to solicit any other ideas that are out there. Best regards and good hunting. Rich & Terri Moberly [email protected] work [email protected] home Bartlesville, Oklahoma

Hello, all. The Oklahoma Cemeteries Mailing List Homepage has been updated. If you are researching in Oklahoma, Lincoln or Pottawatomie counties we have new surveys on line. For Oklahoma County: With thanks to Larry Rankin - we have Christer Cemetery added and Whisler Cemetery updated. For Lincoln County: With thanks to Robert Farrar - we have Oakdale Cemetery added. For Pottawatomie County: With thanks to Jim Woodruff - we have Martin Hill, Metcalf and St. Gregory's Cemeteries added. The website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm Enjoy! Tammie and Kathleen -- Tammie Chada [email protected] Guthrie, Logan County, Oklahoma OK Logan: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm Over 1800 pages on line for free access Check out my homepage: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/

Hope someone can help. W T Higdon died in 1907 in Okmulgee, OK. I don't know the exact date. All records of that time were kept in Saplupa. I heard that the building had burnt down many years ago. Okmulgee Cemetery was not in use until 1915. I have no idea what cemeteries were in existence at that time in Okmulgee. Does anyone have a list of cemeteries and/or listing that his name shows up on. Hopeful. Bob Higdon

Dear List Members, Thank you for taking such good care of your list while I was gone. I checked in each evening and was needed only a couple of times. I appreciate all you do to help this list run as smoothly as it does. Kathleen Burnett List Mom

Looking for Bryers Cemeterary north of Pryor Mayes CO.,OK. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Sorry, that should have read "Oklahoma 1978 death certificate". Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick and Margaret" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 14:06 Subject: death certificate > Hello, > I am sending for a Great Aunt's Kansas 1978 death certificate. Will > the death certificate include her mother's maiden name? > Thanks! > Margaret >

Hello, I am sending for a Great Aunt's Kansas 1978 death certificate. Will the death certificate include her mother's maiden name? Thanks! Margaret

I apologize to the lists that I sent my message to about the Ruby Cranor Book "Talking Tombstones". I failed to say this book is only about cemeteries in Washington County Oklahoma. A minor detail, but very important to the readers of this list. If anyone is interested in purchasing a copy, I will check with the store that I have heard carries it. It is around $30 or so. I purchased my copy from Ruby's daughter and she said it was the last one she had. I will find out the availability and cost and let the lists know. Best Regards Rich & Terri Moberly Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Washington County

What counties are included? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: OK-CEMETERIES-D Digest V00 #38

New cemetery online Provided by Brinkman History Committee, located in Greer County Genealogy & Historical Society site http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgcghs/brnkmna.html Susan Bradford Rt 1, Duke, OK http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~swokla/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgreer/okgreer.htm Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~okdewey/okdewey.htm Coordinator http://marti.rootsweb.com/okmarr/marriage.htm http://marti.rootsweb.com/land/oklands.html

Rich, Does the book contain McCurtain County? I'm looking for Ida Dempsey and Wilson Dempsey, Watson Cemetery (?). I believe that Ida died in 1923-4 and Wilson in 1928, both in Watson. Thanks! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Moberly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:03 PM Subject: [OK-CEM] Book > Greetings Email lists > > I am now the proud owner of Ruby Cranor's Book "Talking Tombstones". Feel free to request lookups. I will endeavor to locate the grave you are looking for and photograph the headstone and will email it to you with as much information as is available.

Greetings Email lists I am now the proud owner of Ruby Cranor's Book "Talking Tombstones". Feel free to request lookups. I will endeavor to locate the grave you are looking for and photograph the headstone and will email it to you with as much information as is available. We are currently working on requests from several people and appreciate their patience as we work around our usual hectic schedule with teenage daughters. If we cannot fulfill a request, we will do our best to tell you up front. This is one fascinating book. Will do my best to devour it tomorrow while wife Terri is having surgery. Best Wishes and Happy Hunting to all of you. Rich & Terri Moberly Bartlesville, Washington County, Oklahoma

Forwarded to the list - please respond to [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > looking for John W. Straily & Lula (Arnold) Straily & John Wallace Straily > Fredia (Straily) Haun Wichita, Ks.

Hi, Looking for burial location and info. on: Alexander MEANS b.1865 d.? Frances"Fanny" MEANS (LANE) b.1868/69 d.? They lived in the Francis, Vinson area in Harmon Co., death would have been after 1920. Any help is very appreciated. Cheryl . ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Dear List Members: I can't even begin to describe how very proud I am of each of you. Today was a day that we could have had major problems on our mailing lists due to improper postings, and wouldn't you know it, I was also out of town attending a meeting and could not keep an eye on the computer to stop problem postings if they happened. When I got home this evening, the first thing I did was to check my e-mail to make sure all of you were ok. I want you to know that I am the list mom 121 mailing lists and there was not one political message posted on any of them, but on some of the lists that I am just a member of, I saw complaints regarding political postings and out of control conversations. Again, I am touch at your support of me and your support of the manner I choose to run your lists. I bow my head in awe at you as a group. Thank you! Kathleen Burnett List Mom

A new page in Dewey Co OKGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~okdewey/rileycem.html shows in pictures the vandalism of historic James Riley cemetery, west of Taloga, 200 feet from road, NE/4 of Section 17-18N-17WIM, owned by Alene Squires (Mrs. Lonnie). Describes the life of James Riley in a brief biography, from 1859 to 1903, from Ireland to Oklahoma Territory, a clerk to an Indian trader in 1885, husband of a Cheyenne woman for 18 years, respectable rancher and active citizen of Dewey County, Oklahoma Territory. A small family cemetery, vandalized, fence removed, tombstones broken of James Riley, his wife Nina, 2 of their children George and Minney, and Nina's brother Willie Livingbear. This cemetery deserves respect. Susan Bradford Rt 1, Duke, OK http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~swokla/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgreer/okgreer.htm Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~okdewey/okdewey.htm Coordinator http://marti.rootsweb.com/okmarr/marriage.htm http://marti.rootsweb.com/land/oklands.html

LAVINESS I have a death certificate with the Undertaker listed as C.B. Stubblefield at Drumright, OK. Does anyone know where we might find his records. We have Raymond LAVINESS buried at Drumright but can't seem to find his grave. Any help would be appreciated. Wilma

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --1BoxPartBoundary973274683259973274683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ________________________________________________________________________ Get your own free email, set up a MyFamily site at http://www.MyFamily.com --1BoxPartBoundary973274683259973274683 Content-type: message/rfc822; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Description: email message Return-Path: <> To: [email protected] From: Mail Administrator <[email protected]> Reply-To: Mail Administrator <[email protected]> Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:03:12 -0800 Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; Boundary="===========================_ _= 5884704(16600)973274592" --===========================_ _= 5884704(16600)973274592 Content-Type: text/plain This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server. The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine why each recipient was rejected. Recipient: <[email protected]> Reason: 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown Please reply to [email protected] if you feel this message to be in error. --===========================_ _= 5884704(16600)973274592 Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; mta07.onebox.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:03:05 -0800 Received-From-MTA: dns; onebox.com (216.33.158.156) Final-Recipient: RFC822; <[email protected]> Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; newmail.rootsweb.com (63.92.80.103) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown --===========================_ _= 5884704(16600)973274592 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from onebox.com ([216.33.158.156]) by mta07.onebox.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <[email protected]> for <[email protected]>; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:03:05 -0800 Received: from [208.165.103.2] by onebox.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:03:05 -0800 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:03:05 -0800 Subject: looking for cemetery listings for...... From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <[email protected]> Can anyone help me find the cemetery listings for Vaughn Cemetery in Gilmore, LeFlore Co., OK and Monroe Cemetery, Monroe, LeFlore Co., OK....I am looking for relatives that are buried in each one and can't find a place on the internet that has either cemetery....I need a listing of both...who's in them and so on....have more than one relative I'm searchong for in each....thanks DSM denise scott murchison ________________________________________________________________________ Get your own free email, set up a MyFamily site at http://www.MyFamily.com --===========================_ _= 5884704(16600)973274592-- --1BoxPartBoundary973274683259973274683--

Someone on one of these 3 lists requested my help in looking up and photographing a couple of headstones in the Memorial Park Cemetery in Bartlesville and the McMain Cemetery in Nowata County. I am afraid I have lost that email and the names I am looking for. I had started some of the research and then was tied up with kids sports, work, and my wife's illness and think I may have filed the email where I can't find it easily. If you will send me another email off list, I will attempt to get the photographs this weekend. My apologies for taking so long and for losing the information. Rich & Terri Moberly Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Washington County [email protected] home [email protected] work