You drove me to check <G> Name: Joseph Angle Titles: Death date: 23 Mar 1912 Death place: Wesley Twp, Washington, Ohio Birthdate: 16 Oct 1841 Estimated birth year: Birthplace: Waterford, Ohio Age at death: 70 years 5 months 7 days Gender: Male Marital status: Race or color: Caucasian Street address: Occupation: Residence: Burial date: Burial place: Cemetery name: Spouse's name: Father's name: Peter Angle Father's titles: Father's birthplace: Mother's name: Mary Perkins Mother's titles: Mother's birthplace: GSU film number: 1953292 Digital GS number: 4096052 Image number: 2280 Reference number: fn 18783 Collection: Ohio Deaths 1908-1953 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "According to the 1850 census, Mary E. Angle was born abt. 1833; > Harriet born abt. 1838; and Martha born about 1846. With knowing this, > they must be Joseph and Elizabeth's grandchildren, with the father dying > between 1846 & 1850." > > I agree the children were most apt to have been Joseph and Elizabeth's > grandchildren but I disagree with your time frame for their father's death. > > My notes on the ages and birth years for the Woodmancy children in 1850: > Mary E - 17 Ct (1832/1833) - basically the same as yours > Martha - 14 OH (1835/1836) > Harriet - 12 OH (1837/1838) - basically the same as yours > --Mary Angle - 37 Ct (1812/1813) > --Joseph Angle - 9 (1840/1841) > > > The 1839 marriage for Mary Woodmansee and Peter Angle found by Eliz is > another indication, to me, that Mary was the mother of these children. (Did > you note the month and day of this marriage? That information might > eliminate any possibility that Mary was pregnant by her Woodmansee husband > when she married Peter. Due to the given name of the first child born after > their marriage plus my belief that Mary's deceased husband had been named > Joseph, I wondered whether young Joseph, despite his Angle surname, might > have been named for his biological father. Young Joseph could have been born > shortly after June 1 in 1840.) > > 1840 Washington Co., Watertown twp. - Peter Angle Jr.'s household appeared > to have the family, including Elizabeth, in his household. I presumed Mary > was the female listed as 30-39, and a probable census error. (Wasn't Mary in > her 40s in 1860?) > > So - without more data the father of the children appears to have died > sometime between 1837 and 1839. > > If Mary Angle was Mary Perkins "of Groton," CT, then Elizabeth's son was > named Joseph. > Extrapolating from her 1850 age Mary would have been about 17 y/o at the > time of the 1830 census. Betsy Woodmansee's son, the only child in her > household, was listed as 15-19 in 1830 (he'd been 0-9 in 1820). Due to > Betsy's husband's death their son may have been born earlier but would have > been born no later than 1814. Mary and Joseph, both "of Groton" were married > in October of 1830. One or both may have had a birthday between June 1 and > their wedding. > > When examining the early census households, 1790-1810, one of the questions > that arose for me was whether Elizabeth had been widowed with a daughter, > and perhaps a son, before her marriage to Joseph. You might call it the > Hmmmmm response. In 1790 Elizabeth was about 18. Joseph certainly appeared > to be married in 1790 with a son 15 or under and possibly a daughter > (112). The only female in his 1800 household appeared closer to him in age. > She was 45 or older. His 1810 household appeared to include Elizabeth but > also had a female 10-15 (1794 -1800) and a male with the same birth range. > > Ella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To contact the OHWASHIN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the OHWASHIN mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >