I am looking for my ancestor, Charlotte Potter Bothwell, who is buried in Elk twp. , a suburb of McArthur. Is McGee Cem the name of the cemetery I am looking for? FBothwell@comcast.net. Fran in ABQ ----- Original Message ----- From: <TAArledge@aol.com> To: <OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [OHVINTON-L] McGee Cem > There is a McGee Cem in Vinton Co, in Eagle twp. The OGS cemetery book gives > these directions: In section 23; From SR 327 go east on CR 17 to CR 16, then > south to Twp Rd 20, turn west to the top of the hill and cem is on the N > side. I have several people buried there, none of whom have tombstones, > unfortunately. I hope you have better luck! >

So, do you think this McGee cemetery is down in Gallia Co. then? I have never heard of it there, but sure could be. Elsie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madge Staley" <madge445@comcast.net> To: <OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [OHVINTON-L] JACOB OILER >I am so very sorry that I confused you. But these two Oiler's lived in >Vinton , Gallia Co. Ohio. My grandmother was born in Vinton and my Mom was >born in McArthur, Ohio. Sorry I misled you I didn't mean too. > Madge > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elsie Rarey > To: OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [OHVINTON-L] JACOB OILER > > > Can you tell me where the McGee cemetery is in Vinton County? > Elsie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Madge Staley" <madge445@comcast.net> > To: <OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:48 AM > Subject: [OHVINTON-L] obits > > > > These people lived in Vinton and raised their family there. > > > > Lucinda J. Oiler taken from the Columbus Dispatch Nov 2, 1916 > > > > A complication of diseases due to her advanced age-resulted in the > death > > Wednesday night of Mrs. Lucinda J.Oiler aged 81, widow of Jacob Oiler, > at > > the home of her niece Mrs. Alice Cole. Besides her niece she leaves > three > > sons. The funeral will be held from the residence at 9:30 Friday > morning, > > and the body will be sent to Delaware for burial by W. I. Winegarner. > > > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > He died November 9, 1911 > > > > Jacob Oiler, civil was veteran, died at his home in Vinton last > Thursday > > morning Funeral Friday at his home at 1 pm., and was laid to rest in > > McGhee Cemetery on the hill near his home. Mr. Oiler has been an > invalid > > for several years and was almost blind but he was tenderly cared for by > > his companion, who was a frail little woman and we extend our sympathy > to > > her in her great sorrow and we ask the Lord to bless her for the > patient > > loving care she always showed to her afflicted husband. > > > > > > >

I am so very sorry that I confused you. But these two Oiler's lived in Vinton , Gallia Co. Ohio. My grandmother was born in Vinton and my Mom was born in McArthur, Ohio. Sorry I misled you I didn't mean too. Madge ----- Original Message ----- From: Elsie Rarey To: OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [OHVINTON-L] JACOB OILER Can you tell me where the McGee cemetery is in Vinton County? Elsie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madge Staley" <madge445@comcast.net> To: <OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: [OHVINTON-L] obits > These people lived in Vinton and raised their family there. > > Lucinda J. Oiler taken from the Columbus Dispatch Nov 2, 1916 > > A complication of diseases due to her advanced age-resulted in the death > Wednesday night of Mrs. Lucinda J.Oiler aged 81, widow of Jacob Oiler, at > the home of her niece Mrs. Alice Cole. Besides her niece she leaves three > sons. The funeral will be held from the residence at 9:30 Friday morning, > and the body will be sent to Delaware for burial by W. I. Winegarner. > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > He died November 9, 1911 > > Jacob Oiler, civil was veteran, died at his home in Vinton last Thursday > morning Funeral Friday at his home at 1 pm., and was laid to rest in > McGhee Cemetery on the hill near his home. Mr. Oiler has been an invalid > for several years and was almost blind but he was tenderly cared for by > his companion, who was a frail little woman and we extend our sympathy to > her in her great sorrow and we ask the Lord to bless her for the patient > loving care she always showed to her afflicted husband. > >

Hi - You cannot "recopywright" something by posting on a website or mailing list. Just because you reprint it does not give you copyright, unless I'm mis-interpreting your second point. My local gene. society reprinted the county history, even adding a every name index. This did not make us the copyright holder of the new edition, because it was simply a copy of the first publication (which was in public domain). Respectfully, Sandy Amy Johnson Crow wrote: > Natalie is right -- the stellar-one site has an excellent explanation > of copyright laws. > > Two rules of thumb to remember: > 1. If it was published before 1923, it is in the public domain > (meaning there is no copyright on it). > 2. Posting on a website or on a mailing list (such as this one) *is* a > form of publishing. > > Amy > > > Natalie Yavornitzky wrote: > >> There is always a wide variety of opinion and understanding about >> copyright >> laws. I have found this website to be informative >> http://stellar-one.com/copyrightgenealogy/ . But, I can say that if an >> article or creative work is still under copyright, then it doesn't >> matter if >> it was republished for free or for profit ... the copyright holder could >> lower the gavel. So, just be informed and wary. I think that stellar-one >> site is good for keeping genealogists informed. I hope it is helpful. >> >> Regards, >> >> Natalie Yavornitzky >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jan Tremain [mailto:jtremain@chillicotheohio.com] Sent: >> Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:09 PM >> To: OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [OHVINTON-L] Obits and copyrights >> >> Only if they were reprinted for profit. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marvalene [mailto:marvalene@columbus.rr.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:03 PM >> To: OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [OHVINTON-L] Obits and copyrights >> >> Would there be a copyright infringement if the obit was in a >> newspaper that >> was available to the public? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

I think she was buried in Elk Township, near McArthur: Charlotte Potter Bothwell B. 2 Jan 1788, d 08 Nov 1878. I desperately need someone to take a picture of her tombstone and also her husband's, James Bothwell, b. 20 August 1785 in Londonberry, North Ireland, m. 06 Dec 1810 in New Geneva, died 04 Dec 1863 in McArthur, OH. Please let me know how I can get in touch with a kind soul who would be doing a 73 year old suffering from Parkinson's, for the information of her grand children. Thank you, Fran in ABQ

can we put a hold on my email, I am finding it difficult to read all the mail right now. I would like to resume it when I get back to Ohio in the spring. thanks jobesalty49@earthlink.net

I am sorry but I do not know just where it is. I live in Pa and haven't been over there. Sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elsie Rarey To: OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [OHVINTON-L] JACOB OILER Can you tell me where the McGee cemetery is in Vinton County? Elsie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madge Staley" <madge445@comcast.net> To: <OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: [OHVINTON-L] obits > These people lived in Vinton and raised their family there. > > Lucinda J. Oiler taken from the Columbus Dispatch Nov 2, 1916 > > A complication of diseases due to her advanced age-resulted in the death > Wednesday night of Mrs. Lucinda J.Oiler aged 81, widow of Jacob Oiler, at > the home of her niece Mrs. Alice Cole. Besides her niece she leaves three > sons. The funeral will be held from the residence at 9:30 Friday morning, > and the body will be sent to Delaware for burial by W. I. Winegarner. > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > He died November 9, 1911 > > Jacob Oiler, civil was veteran, died at his home in Vinton last Thursday > morning Funeral Friday at his home at 1 pm., and was laid to rest in > McGhee Cemetery on the hill near his home. Mr. Oiler has been an invalid > for several years and was almost blind but he was tenderly cared for by > his companion, who was a frail little woman and we extend our sympathy to > her in her great sorrow and we ask the Lord to bless her for the patient > loving care she always showed to her afflicted husband. > >

Can you tell me where the McGee cemetery is in Vinton County? Elsie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madge Staley" <madge445@comcast.net> To: <OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: [OHVINTON-L] obits > These people lived in Vinton and raised their family there. > > Lucinda J. Oiler taken from the Columbus Dispatch Nov 2, 1916 > > A complication of diseases due to her advanced age-resulted in the death > Wednesday night of Mrs. Lucinda J.Oiler aged 81, widow of Jacob Oiler, at > the home of her niece Mrs. Alice Cole. Besides her niece she leaves three > sons. The funeral will be held from the residence at 9:30 Friday morning, > and the body will be sent to Delaware for burial by W. I. Winegarner. > > - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > He died November 9, 1911 > > Jacob Oiler, civil was veteran, died at his home in Vinton last Thursday > morning Funeral Friday at his home at 1 pm., and was laid to rest in > McGhee Cemetery on the hill near his home. Mr. Oiler has been an invalid > for several years and was almost blind but he was tenderly cared for by > his companion, who was a frail little woman and we extend our sympathy to > her in her great sorrow and we ask the Lord to bless her for the patient > loving care she always showed to her afflicted husband. > >

These people lived in Vinton and raised their family there. Lucinda J. Oiler taken from the Columbus Dispatch Nov 2, 1916 A complication of diseases due to her advanced age-resulted in the death Wednesday night of Mrs. Lucinda J.Oiler aged 81, widow of Jacob Oiler, at the home of her niece Mrs. Alice Cole. Besides her niece she leaves three sons. The funeral will be held from the residence at 9:30 Friday morning, and the body will be sent to Delaware for burial by W. I. Winegarner. - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- He died November 9, 1911 Jacob Oiler, civil was veteran, died at his home in Vinton last Thursday morning Funeral Friday at his home at 1 pm., and was laid to rest in McGhee Cemetery on the hill near his home. Mr. Oiler has been an invalid for several years and was almost blind but he was tenderly cared for by his companion, who was a frail little woman and we extend our sympathy to her in her great sorrow and we ask the Lord to bless her for the patient loving care she always showed to her afflicted husband.

Reguarding the copywrite laws I have this question. My father-in-law recently died. I was with my mother-in-law at the funeral home where we wrote the obit the furnal home secretary typed up what we wrote we then paid for it to be published. It was published word for word what we wrote so who owns this copywrite? A lot of papers now have obits paid for to be published and if what is writen is exactly what the family wrote then that copywrite should by all rights belong to that family not the newspapaer. love fern genealogy is my hobby......crafts are my life _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Fern, I work for a phone directory company. These issues are challenged all the time. Copywrite belongs to the publisher in our case. Even though the customer provides the info. However, I don't think that newspapers -directories etc are worried about people sharing information for free. If anyone is selling this info then you have problems. I don't think a court of law would convict someone sharing a openly published obit for free. Two directory companies went to court over this issue back in the 1980s over the listings in a telephone book being copied by another directory co. It was ruled by a higher court that these phone numbers are free domain and was not owned by anyone. They could be copied. It would be hard (and expensive) for a newspaper to bring suit against anyone sharing something that was published to the public in a newspaper. ----- Original Message ----- From: "fern johnson" <dfj1girl@hotmail.com> To: <OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: [OHVINTON-L] RE: OHVINTON-D Digest V05 #24 > > Reguarding the copywrite laws I have this question. My father-in-law > recently died. I was with my mother-in-law at the funeral home where we > wrote the obit the furnal home secretary typed up what we wrote we then > paid for it to be published. It was published word for word what we wrote > so who owns this copywrite? A lot of papers now have obits paid for to be > published and if what is writen is exactly what the family wrote then that > copywrite should by all rights belong to that family not the newspapaer. > > > love fern > genealogy is my hobby......crafts are my life > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >

hi, please remove me from the e-mail list for awhile. when I am ready to get back into the geneaology studies, I will write and ask to be put back on the list. It is very interesting. thanks Nellmary

The facts cannot be copyrighted only the article. i worked on a newspaper for several years. So If you put the facts and the newspaper page number, there can be no objection. We had to re-write all "pick ups" so we could copyright them under our name. For what its worth. M Calvin

If someone finds any Sage information, I too would be interested. Joan, I believe that I have already shared all my Sage info with you. If this is not the case, please feel free to contact me directly. Carolyn

Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer about the copyright question that I asked. I do so enjoy the obits and think that they are a very good genealogy tool.

Descendants of Elias Ward 1 Elias Ward . +Katherine Ireland .... 2 Lafayette Ward 1849 - 1928 ........ +Susan Warner 1851 - 1934 ........... 3 Anthony Lane Ward 1873 - 1952 ............... +Elizabeth May Brown - 1945 .................. 4 Gladyse I. Ward 1902 - 1971 ...................... +Russell D. Morgan 1901 - 1978 ......................... 5 Robert Anthony Morgan 1927 - 1984 ............................. +Loretta Gee 1933 - 1984 ......................... 5 Carolyn Lea Morgan 1940 - ............................. +Carl E. Sorrell ......................... 5 Betty Jean Morgan 1924 - 2002 ............................. +Arthur E. Allen 1921 - 1991 .................. 4 Harold Erwin Ward ...................... +Arlene Rosser .................. 4 Raymond E. Ward 1909 - 1972 .................. 4 Rossie Ward Infant - ........... 3 William Augustus Ward ............... +Norma .................. 4 Randolph Ward .................. 4 Cecil Ward .................. 4 James Ward .................. 4 Billy Ward ........... 3 Philip Ward ........... 3 Elmer Ward ........... 3 Elizabeth Ward 1875 - ............... +Dawson ........... 3 Maggie Ward 1876 - ............... +Saltz ........... 3 May ? Ward 1879 - ........... 3 Hettie Ward ........... 3 Nora Ward ............... +Salmons ........... 3 Goldie Ward ............... +Christian ........... 3 Sylvia Ward ............... +Zimmerman ........... 3 Chester Ward .... 2 Andrew Jackson Ward .... 2 Hilas Ward .... 2 Lannie Ward .... 2 Cassie Ward

I dont know if its the same Jane but this is what I found.... On 1850 vinton county vinton township ohio census, Samuel Ervin age 73 born in MD Jane Ervin age 54 born in KY David Ervin 16 born in OH Margaret Ervin 14 born in OH John Edridge? 14 born in OH Sarah Ervin 28 born in OH William Peirce 8 born in OH William Mackan? 29 born in PA Neighbors on Each side are James Buck and John Buck Hope this helps. If you want, I can email the image to you. Danielle Irvine ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg morgan" <gmorgan@dragonbbs.com> To: <OHVINTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: [OHVINTON-L] Hollinshead/Hollingshead Ervins/Irvins > Does anyone have information about a Jane Hollinshead/Hollingshead from Kentucky,that married an Ervin/Irvin from Ohio,from the Athens/Jackson Co area?This would be in the real early 1800`s. Need to know the name of the Ervin,and names of there children,if they had any.Thank you .Dorothy morgan!!! >

All good points, Brian. I should have been more clear that the rules of thumb were intended for all published materials, not just obituaries that people may post. The stellar-one site referred to yesterday is the best site I've seen to help genealogists make their way through this tricky subject. ( I should add that I'm not an attorney, this is not intended as legal advice, and your mileage may vary.... <g>) Amy Brian J. Smith wrote: > In addition to those two rules of thumb (a) the copyright covers the > way the obituary was written, but not facts themselves; and (b) > material from 1963 and earlier had to have its copyright renewed to > still be covered - only 15% of all copyrights from this time period > were renewed - only 7% of books from this time period were. > How likely is it that the owners of papers such as the McArthur > Democrat-Enquirer renewed copyrights in the 1950s? (i.e., 1923 law > allowed for renewal + initial 28 year copyright). Without even > getting into the fair use limitation on copyrights, the difficulty > proving actual damages, or the inapplicability of statutory damages > when the item is not currently published; it does not seem too risky > to share obituaries through 1963. > >

In addition to those two rules of thumb (a) the copyright covers the way the obituary was written, but not facts themselves; and (b) material from 1963 and earlier had to have its copyright renewed to still be covered - only 15% of all copyrights from this time period were renewed - only 7% of books from this time period were. How likely is it that the owners of papers such as the McArthur Democrat-Enquirer renewed copyrights in the 1950s? (i.e., 1923 law allowed for renewal + initial 28 year copyright). Without even getting into the fair use limitation on copyrights, the difficulty proving actual damages, or the inapplicability of statutory damages when the item is not currently published; it does not seem too risky to share obituaries through 1963.

Vinton County's two newspapers that were in operation prior to about 1970, the Republican Tribune and McArthur Democrat Enquirer are defunct. Not certain if any copyright applies. Certain issues about "fair use" as opposed to "for profit" are involved as well.