This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Williams, Mark, McKay Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2837 Message Board Post: Searching for information on William Williams, b. abt. 1819, m. Dellia b. abt. 1820. They are listed in the census for Vienna Twp.in 1860, 1870 and 1880. They had a son named Addison b. abt 1850. I seem to have hit a brick wall. Can anyone help? Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/1271.1276.1278.1279.1281.1.1 Message Board Post: I was using the Trumbull County Ohio Cemetery Inscriptions 1800-1930. They don't list any burials after 1930. Sorry I can't help. You may want to contact the Warren Trumbull County Library and the Local History Rooom, They're on the net. They have listings of obits if you have a date. Kay

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2815.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Robert---did that already--here is more just in case it helps Marriage App listed parents names, {Pond-william}. Prnts---William Pond--Ann Welchman 1850 OH-Trum-Bloomfield-262: William-02yrs old: WITH FAM-786: Wm 37-ENG, Ann 37-ENG, Elizab13, Mary11, Geo9-ENG, Anna5-OH; laborer 1860 OH-Trum-Bloomfield-345: William-12yrs old: WITH FAM-155: Wm 47, Ann 47, Florence 8, Julia 5; land $200; laborer 1870 OH-Trum-Bloomfield-025: MISSING-NOT WITH FAM-126: William 57, Ann 57, Florence 18, Julia 15; land $500; gardener.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Earl/Goodsell/Streator/Orr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2815.1 Message Board Post: Hi Diana, Thought william might be related to some of my Ponds, but found him with parents & siblings on 1850 United States Federal Census > Ohio > Trumbull > Bloomfield. His family does not match with my info, but thought you would be interested to check the Census thru Ancestry. Good luck with your search.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2836 Message Board Post: Thanks to Gail and Anne I have added more photos and information the growing website. Take a look when you get a chance. http://home.earthlink.net/~moondoorchaser/ Copy and paste it and click go!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gillet/Gillett/Gillette, Hart, Davidson, Hawley, Fails and Davis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2835 Message Board Post: Diana, Thank you so much for posting the obits. Although, I have found none that belong to my surnames, I sure do appreciate what you're doing and enjoy reading them.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2834 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Ashtabula Star Beacon 20 May 1968 OMAR N BAKER: Andover; 83, died Sat night at Brown Memorial Hosp. He was born 1 Aug 1884 in Richmond, a son of Omer & Katherine Brown Baker. He had lived in the Andover area all his life. He was a manager of Meadowgold Dairy until 1938 & served 20 years at the Andover water & sewage plant as superintendent. Survivors include 2 daus: MrsMarian Ackermann-Warren; MrsPauline Patterson-Fowler; 1 bro: Clarence-Andover; 1 sis: MrsNell Tait-LexingtonKY; 3 grandchildren & 7 gr grandchildren. Service will be held Tues afternoon at Baumgardner Funeral Home-Andover. RevArnold Beckwith-Andover United Methodist Church, will officiate. Burial will be in MapleGrove Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 25 Nov 1980 LULA BAKER: GilletteCountryPlace; 90, died Mon night at StJoseph Hosp following an extended illness. She was born 27 Apr 1891 in LeonOH, a dau of Ellsworth & Zora Parker White. MrsBaker had resided here since 1937, coming from Andover. Survivors include 2 daus: Marion Ackerman-StPetersburgFL; Pauline Patterson-HomosassaFL; 3 grandchildren, 7 gr grandchildren & 2 gr gr grandchildren. Service will be held Wed morn at Staton-Gillen-Larkins Funeral Home. Burial will be in Andover Cem. {MapleGrove}

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2833 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 05 Nov 1942 CARL BATES: Johnston-formerly Kinsman: 55, died Wednesday(11/4) at CityHosp of complications following an operation 1 week ago. He was born 15 Aug 1887 in Jamestown, a son of Henry & Elizabeth Brown Bates. He was a member of Kinsman Methodist Church. MrBates leaves a wife, Alvaretta Norton Bates & 11 children: Howard, Raymond, MrsEdna Hauser-NewtonFalls; Darwin-Warren; Clarence, Shirley, Betty, Florence, Marian, Virginia, Carl-at home; also 2 bros: Claude & Merle Bates-Jamestown. Service will be held Fri afternoon at McLean Funeral Home, with RevEN Miller officiating. Burial will be in Kinsman Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 21 Sep 1968 EFFIE A BATES: Warren; 74, died Friday following a year's illness. She was born 14 Sep 1894 in JamestownPA, a dau of William & Susie Norton. Her husband Carl Bates, died 12 Nov 1942. Prior to her illness, she was employed as a cook at Johnnys Grill. She was previously employed in the kitchen at Trumbull Memorial Hosp. Survivors include 10 children: Edna (MrsSteve) Hauser-NewtonFalls; Shirley (MrsRobert) Duncan-Gallway; Betty (MrsWm) Dunbar-Niles; Marion (MrsChester) Warzala-Howland; Virginia (MrsMichael) Parana-Warren; Howard-Marion; Darwin-Cortland; Raymond-Wayland; Clarence-Warren; Carl-Southington; 33 grandchildren & 16 gr grandchildren. A dau: Florence Dann died 16 Nov 1965. Service will be held Mon morning at Carl Hall Funeral Home. Burial will be in Kinsman Cem.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2832 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 05 Feb 1970 MILDRED LUCILLE BETTS: Austintown; 75, died Wed of a cerebral hemorrhage in South Side Hosp, following a 5 year illness. Born 6 Aug 1894 in Jamestown, a dau of Ernest & Harriet Jane Herrick, she was a member of FourMile Run Christian Church where she had served as lay minister & Sunday School teacher for over 25 years. She was a member of the GoldStar Mothers Remembrance Chapter. A graduate of KentState Normal School, she was the teacher of the first kindergarten class in Austintown Public Schools. She formerly taught in Williamsfield & Leetonia. She had served as a precinct worker for several years. Survivors include her husband WilliamM Betts whom she married in 1918; 3 children: MrsFrancis Tomkins-MineralRidge; MrsEllaJ Reed-Cleveland; Richard Betts-Youngstown; a bro: Houy Herrick-Springfield IL; 7 grandchildren & 2 gr grandchildren. A son-Robert was killed during WWII. Friends may call at Austintown Chapel-Lane Funeral Home. Service will be held Sat in FourMile Run Chris! tian Church. Burial will be in FourMileRun Cem. OBIT: OH-Youngstown Vindicator 03 Mar 1984 WILLIAM M BETTS: MineralRidge; 91, died Thursday in his home. MrBetts was born 5 Mar 1892 in Williamsfield, a son of Walter & EllaMarie Hall Betts & was a carpenter for Rose Construction Co until his retirement in 1960. He was a member, past elder & deacon of the church & was a former chairman of its board of trustees & was its custodian following his retirement. He was a member of Niles Odd Fellows & the Church Mens League. His wife, the former Mildred Herrick whom he married in 1918, died in 1970. He leaves 3 children: MrsFrances Tompkins-MineralRidge; MrsEllaJayne Reed-Cleveland; Richard-Austintown; 7 grandchildren, 18 gr grandchildren & 1 gr gr grandchild. A son Robert was killed in action in WWII. Visitation at Lane Funeral Home. Service will be held Mon in FourMileRun Christian Church. {Interment in 4MileRun Cem}

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2831 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 07 May 1941 ADRIAN PERRY FITCH: Kinsman; 61, well-known dairyman & former resident of this community & resident of CoraopolisPA for the past 13 years, died at his home there early today. MrFitch was born here 28 May 1879, a son of Charles & Emma Kinne Fitch. MrFitch is survived by his wife, Lottie Youngblood Fitch; 3 children: MrsGeorgia Heath-Coraopolis; Norman-Kinsman; Lawrence-Coraopolis; 14 grandchildren; 1 sis: MrsVirgil Peden-Kinsman & 1 bro: Emery Fitch-Meadville. Service will be held in Coraopolis Thurs afternoon & the body will be shipped to McLean Funeral Home in this community where services will be held Fri afternoon. Interment will be made in Kinsman Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 28 Mar 1966 LOTTIE FITCH-Mrs Adrian: Sharon-formerly Kinsman; died Sun at the home of her dau Georgia (MrsGeo Heath). She was born 7 Jul 1883 in TurnersvillePA, a dau of William & Sarah McCormick Youngblood. On 19 Aug 1900 she married AdrianP Fitch who died in 1941. A Sharon resident 25 years, she was a member of StateLine Methodist Church & Missionary Soc. Besides her dau, she leaves 2 sons: Norman-Kinsman; Lawrence-MillbrookNY; 2 bros: William Youngblood-Meadville & Ernest Youngblood-TucsonAZ; 14 grandchildren, 49 gr grandchildren & a gr gr grandchild. Service will be held Wed at Baumgardner Funeral Home. Burial will be in Kinsman Cem.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2830 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 26 Nov 1974 ISADORE F GEYER: formerly Kinsman; 88, died Mon afternoon in Windsor Nursing Home-VernonTwp following a 4 month illness. MrsGeyer was born 7 Sep 1886 in Kinsman, a dau of Mr&Mrs Abslom Bates & had been a lifelong resident of the area. She was a member of Kinsman Christian Missionary Alliance Church. Surviving are her husband-Michael Geyer, whom she married 14 May 1914; 3 sons: Robert-NewRichmond; David-WheelingWV; Donald-Kinsman; 7 grandchildren & 3 gr grandchildren. Service will be held Fri afternoon at Baumgardner Funeral Home. Burial will be in Kinsman Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 08 Nov 1977 MICHAEL F GEYER: Kinsman; 105, Trumbull County's oldest resident, died Mon afternoon in Warren General Hosp. MrGeyer was born 22 Jan 1872 in Columbus, a son of George & Caroline Horch Geyer. On 14 May 1914, he married Isadore Bates, who died in 1974. A resident here since 1945, coming from Williamsfield, he was a member of Christian Missionary Alliance Church. MrGeyer was well-known for his love of baseball. During the Kinsman Sesquicentennial, he & MrsGeyer served as king-queen. For many years, he was a member of the section crew for the NYCentral RR. He was last employed as a watchman at the former Glauber Brass Factory. Survivors include 3 sons: Robert-HamiltonOH; David-WheelingWV; Donald-Kinsman; 7 grandchildren & 6 gr grandchildren. He was preceded in death by 9 bros & sis. Service will be held Thurs afternoon at Baumgardner Funeral Home. Burial will be in Kinsman Cem.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2829 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 20 Nov 1936 HAZEL BILLIG HOBART: Vernon; 45, died at her home this morning of complications resulting from a stroke. She was born 27 Jun 1891 in MaysvillePA, a dau of Linus & Mary Dingman Billig, MrsHobart was well-known in Vernon & was a music teacher for many years. She was a member of the Baptist Church. Surviving are her husband Rollie Hobart; 3 children: Darrell; Lydia & Pauline-all at home. Service will be conducted Sun afternoon at McLean Funeral Home with RevJ Costigan in charge. Burial will be in Kinsman Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 27 May 1969 ROLLA B HOBART: Kinsman; 82, died Mon afternoon in Trumbull Memorial Hosp following a 5 week illness. He was born 12 Apr 1887 in Vernon, a son of Dudley & Lydia Bates Hobart. His first wife Hazel Billig Hobart died in 1936. A lifelong resident of the Vernon-Kinsman area, he was a retired farmer. He was a member of Gustavus Lodge-422 F&AM & Kinsman Grange-2019. Survivors include his wife Katie Reeder Irwin Hobart, whom he married 21 Oct 1942; 3 children: Lydia (MrsWayne) Fisk-Kinsman; Pauline (MrsRoy) Haustman-CypressCA; Darrell-RockmartGA; 4 step-sons: Kenneth, William, George & Allen Irwin; a bro: Albert-Youngstown; 5 grandchildren & 3 gr grandchldren. Two sisters & a brother preceded him in death. Gustavus Lodge will conduct service Wed. Service will be held Thurs afternoon at Baumgardner Funeral Home. Burial will be in Kinsman Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 22 May 1984 KATIE S IRWIN HOBART: Masury; 97, died Mon morning in O'Brien Memorial Nursing Home. She was born 26 Apr 1887 in VernonTwp, a dau of Harvey & Betsy Meikle Reeder. Her first husband-George Irwin died in 1931; her second husband-Rolla Hobart died in 1969. MrsHobart was the oldest surviving member of the 1906 graduating class of Vernon High School. She was a member of Hartford Community Church, Brookfield Senior Citizens & Kinsman Grange. Survivors include 4 sons: Kenneth Irwin-BeloitWI; William Irwin-Masury; George Irwin-WilmingtonDE; Allan Hobart-Tallmadge; 2 step-daus: MrsLydia Fisk-Kinsman; MrsPauline Haustman-CA; 10 grandchildren & 12 gr grandchildren. A dau, gr granddau & step-son preceded her in death. The funeral will be Wed afternoon at Madasz Funeral Home. Burial will be in Westview Cem-Vernon. MORE INFO---KATIE---(PA-Sharon Herald): Katie was preceded in death by a dau-Dorothy; a gr granddau-Kathy & a stepson-Daryl.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2828 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 07 Nov 1919 ALLEN JEWELL: Kinsman; 59, died Thurs at Warren City Hosp where he underwent a surgical operation the Monday before. MrJewell leaves a wife, 2 sons & a bro. The funeral was held Sunday at his late home on EastSt. Here a large gathering of friends & neighbors met to pay their respects to one whom they had loved & respected. Revs Harper & Forner had charge of the services. Interment was at Kinsman Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 02 Dec 1921 EMMA ARVILLA JEWELL: well-known&pioneer resident of Trumbull County; passed away Thurs evening at the home of her son-BantonC Jewell {Vanton}, terminating an illness of several weeks with complications. Announcement of the death of MrsJewell is received with keen regret by a large number of friends in Warren, Kinsman & Vernon, where she had resided. She was born in WSalemTwpPA on 8 Nov 1861 & had passed her 60th anniversary. She was a member of the ME Church all her life & had lived in Kinsman & Vernon before taking up her residence in Warren 1.5 years ago. She was a woman of exceptional character & had a wide influence in her neighborhood & among members of her family. She is survived by 2 sons: EarlK & BantonC-Warren; her aged mother: MrsJuliet Karr-Kinsman; 2 bros: JohnP Karr-Youngstown; AM Karr-Kinsman & a sis: MrsErastus Flower-TyrellHill. Service will be held Sun afternoon at the home of Vanton Jewell, when a short prayer service will be conducted by RevSB Salmon-DD, l! ater a service will be held in Vernon Methodist Church when RevHarper will deliver the eulogy & DrSalmon will assist in the service. Interment will take place in Kinsman Cem. MORE FAMILY OBITS: OH-Warren Tribune D=07 Nov 1902 HELEN L JEWEL: Vernon; 2, The little dau of Mr&Mrs Allen Jewel died Friday morn of grippe fever. She was 2 years old on the third day of July. The funeral was held at the home of her parents Sunday afternoon.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2827 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 10 May 1943 WALKER C JEWELL: retired businessman-farmer in Vernon-Kinsman: 79, died Sun morn at Southside Unit-Youngstown Hosp of complications following an operation. He was born 18 Dec 1863 in Vernon, to Thaddeus & Mary Moss Jewell. Surviving are his wife; 2 sons: Lloyd-Vernon; Lisle-Kinsman; 5 grandchildren; 3 sis: MrsClara Holcomb-Farmdale; MrsBlanch Keck, MrsMyrtle Nelson-Greenville. Service will be held Wed afternoon at McLean Funeral Home with RevLH Stebbins in charge. The Gustavus Lodge-F&AM will also participate in the service. Burial will be in Kinsman Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 17 Aug 1944 MYRTA LAUGHLIN JEWELL: Kinsman; 78, wife of WalkerC Jewell, prominent Kinsman businessman, died Wed afternoon at her home, death following a sudden heart attack. She suffered a broken hip in a fall at her home, 2 weeks preceding her death. MrsJewell was born 15 Oct 1865 in MeccaTwp, dau of Silas & NancyAnn Johnston Laughlin. On 14 Jan 1886, she married MrJewell at Jamestown & the couple went to Kinsman to reside, spending all of their married life there. MrJewell died 9 May 1943. For many years she was a member of the Presbyterian Church & was a former member of the Kinsman Chapter-OES & the BayView Literary Club. Surviving are 2 sons: LloydC & LyleA Jewell-Kinsman, 5 grandchildren & 1 gr grandchild. Service will be held Sat afternoon at McCurdy Funeral Home with RevLH Stebbins-Congregational & Presbyterian Church officiating. Burial will be made in Kinsman Cem.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2826 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 20 Nov 1939 ADELBERT C KISTLER: one of Niles most prominent men; 58, died Sat afternoon at the residence. He had been ill for the past 3 months of complications. MrKistler was born 2 Oct 1881 in NewtonFalls, a son of DanielS & Abbie Bailey Kistler. He had served as deacon of First Christian Church, had been a member of all the orders of the Masons & held a 32nd degree in that fraternity. He was past patron of Ida McKinley Chapter-OES & former president of the local Kiwanis Club. MrKistler was a partner in Niles Transfer Co. He was a flower fancier & maintained a flower shop at the rear of his home where he spent many hours. Surviving are his wife EvaB & 2 bros: EmersonD-NewtonFalls; HermanE-Warren. Service will be held Tues afternoon at Holloway Funeral Home RevW Wilson-Christian Church will officiate. The Knights Templar will also conduct their ceremony. Burial will be at Oakwood Cem-Warren. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 15 Nov 1960 EVA B KISTLER: NewtonFalls; 75, a practical nurse in this area for the past 45 years, died Sun morn in Trumbull Memorial Hosp after a 4 weeks illness of complications. She was born 5 Nov 1885. MrsKistler was a member of First Christian Church, Ida McKinley Chapter-OES & was a graduate of Hiram College. Her husband, Adelbert Kistler, died 21 years ago. Two nieces survive: MrsRobert BartoJr-Painesville & MrsDonald Mounts-NewtonFalls. Service will be held Tues afternoon at Reese Funeral Home. Burial will be in Oakwood Cem.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2825 Message Board Post: OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 17 Apr 1937 BELLA SPONSELOR MARSH {Della Sponsler}: VernonTwp; 67, wife of Otis Marsh, died of complications yesterday afternoon at her home. She had been in failing health for several years. A resident of Vernon most of her life, MrsMarsh was born 7 Mar 1870 in WSalemTwp. She was an active member of Kinsman Grange & had a host of friends who mourn her death. Besides her husband; she leaves a son Leon-at home; 2 grandchildren; 2 sis: MrsJW Nelson, MrsWR Keck both-Greenville. Service will be conducted Sun afternoon at McLean Funeral Home by RevCA Cumbler. Burial will be made in Kinsman Cem. OBIT: OH-Warren Tribune 26 Jul 1946 OTIS MARSH: Vernon; 79, a retired farmer died Thurs afternoon at his home where he had lived for the last 49 years; he had been in failing health for several years. He was born 24 Sep 1866 in WSalemTwp, a son of James & Susan Gillis Marsh & had many friends & was held in high regard by all who knew him. On 7 Jan 1891 he married the former Della Sponsler of Vernon, who preceded him in death in 1937. MrMarsh spent several years in Kinsman before moving to Vernon 49 years ago. Before his illness, MrMarsh was very active in Grange affairs. He is survived by 1 son: Leon-Vernon & 2 grandchildren: Harry & DeWitt Marsh-both Kinsman. Service will be held Sun afternoon at McCurdy Funeral Home. RevStebbins-Kinsman Congregational & Presbyterian Church will officiate. Interment will be in Kinsman Cem.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2783.1.1 Message Board Post: Thankyou, I will write her a letter to see if she is interested. Is it safe to assume you are a cousin of hers on the Arnio side? Donna

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: RICE, STOCKWELL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2824 Message Board Post: I have RICE, STOCKWELL lines in Trumbull Co., OH. I am looking for parents of Aaron Rice b. abt 1810, I believe in Trumbull Co., m. Semantha Stockwell b. abt. 1812 VT. They married Dec. 15, 1935 in Trumbull Co., parents of Henry C. b. abt. 1837 in OH; Edwin A. b. abt. 1840 OH; Amelia M. b. abt. 1844 OH, Luncinda L. b. abt. 1846 OH; and Ellen L. b. abt. 1849 OH. Aaron in IA 1859; probably died after 1880. I am looking for descendents as well as ancestors.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZZB.2ACI/2783.1 Message Board Post: In reply to your request, Betty Ann Jewell Hall 626 Delaware SW Warren, OH 44485 I do not have a phone number for her. Hope this helps.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Flower Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZZB.2ACI/2823.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello ?? , Let me preface this message with a note , " My gg grandfather is Issac Flower born 1818 in Trubull co vernon twp. " , now that I have your undivided attention , I say this Forget about Penns. it is a red herring , Go back to the start of the Flower family you are part of and trace it down to Trumbull , I believe you will find that the person you are looking for is a son of a sibling of one of the sons of Lamrock the family moved in mass from Conn to Ohio a very long time ago , I bet your person was born during that trip , , If you will write DIRECTLY To my e-mail address I might be able to help , I DO NOT LIKE TO USE the ' boards " , Signing my name ____ Phil