Yesterday in looking at this LDS film, there was a form on top of the famielienbuch register filled out for this Mack family. Noted on the form is "Traungsdatum 3.5.1849 Cleveland, Ohio". I copied this form, copied Johann's families register and grandparents register. In addition there are about 8 other Mack families on this film. I couldn't find Traungsdatum in my not so good dictionery, but it must mean when the family arrived in Cleveland as all of their 10-children are born 1850 and forward. I hope someone on these lists am sending this to wants this information! I was pretty excited about it and I am not even related to this family. Carole in Georgia, USA