This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYB.2ACE/1347.2 Message Board Post: There were some three ROYER households in Summit County but there was no Holten enumerated in the US on the 1880 census. Widow Amelia ROYER, 36, in Akron wouldn't be much help - she was from Wurtenburg. A Frank, 19, born OH lives with her, not shown as related, but still, likely to be her dead husband's family? The others live at Springfield - John, 72, and Hettie, born PA. Probably their son is Daniel and Harriet, both 39. Their only 2 sons at home are named Curtis and Perry. There were two May FOOT about the same age, 14/13. One lives with parents George and Jane at Independence. The younger lives with stepfather Scott SNEDIKER and mother Jenney at Dayton. There was actually a third May much older, someone's wife. Let me know if anything there leads to a clue I could follow on the 1880, but it doesn't look like much help, sorry.