This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DYB.2ACE/1481.1 Message Board Post: Because I had it out I looked for your Fred on the 1880 census, just his name and birth year +-5. There was only one. At St. Louis MO is John HEIDEMAN 58 drives a coal wagon, born Germany as was wife Christine 55. Children at home are all born MO. Lizzie 20 seamstress, sons Fred 18 & William 16 working as tinners, Augusta 13. Perhaps the things tinners work with could make them very ill? A GILES, Johanna born about 1862 in NC. She doesn't seem close to those you're looking for.