Where do you find "Intention to become a Citizens Paper?" in Ohio? Appreciate your suggestions. Our HALTER ancestor came from Alsace to Ohio (Stark & Carroll counties) then on to MO after 1831, where children were born in Morges, Sandy Township, Carroll Co., OH. Francine Conn Halter

--part1_ba.156c7ea.25d0b66c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This came through the Van Wert listing and is worth sharing. --part1_ba.156c7ea.25d0b66c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <OHVANWER-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (rly-yb05.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.5]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 14:31:27 -0500 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 14:31:04 1900 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09173; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:29:36 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:29:36 -0800 (PST) From: Dlkgen@aol.com Message-ID: <84.1200934.25d076f0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:28:48 EST Old-To: OHCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com, OHDEFIAN-L@rootsweb.com, OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bl-14.rootsweb.com id LAA08595 Subject: [OHVANWER-L] Life in the 1500s Resent-Message-ID: <cirSw.A.vNC.e0xn4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/26 X-Loop: OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: OHVANWER-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by bl-14.rootsweb.com id LAA09173 Content-Language: en You may have seen this, but thought it worth passing along. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid ou= t on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom o= f holding a "wake." England is old and small, and they started running out of places to bury people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house and reuse the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had be= en burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on their wrist and lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to= a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. Hence on the "graveyard shift" they would know that someone wa= s "saved by the bell" or he was a "dead ringer." Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were startin= g to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the b.o. Baths equaled a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the wate= r was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." Houses had thatched roofs. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the pets... dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs." There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. So, they found if they made beds with big posts and hung a sheet over the top, it addressed that problem. Hence those beautiful big 4 poster beds with canopies. I wonder if this is where we get= =20 the saying "Good night and don't let the bed bugs bite." (Don=E2=80=99s note: No= , the saying came from mattresses being made from hay brought from the barn, and the bugs coming awake in the warmth of the bed.) The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence the saying "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors which would get slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the floor to help=20 keep their footing. As the winter wore on they kept adding more thresh until when= =20 you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed at the entry way, hence a "thresh hold." They cooked in the kitchen in a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly a= te vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been in there for a month. Hence the rhyme: peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old." Sometimes they could obtain pork and would feel really special when that happened. When company came over, they would bring out some bacon and hang it to show it off. It was a sign of wealth and that a man "could really brin= g home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat." Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food. This happened most=20 often with tomatoes, so they stopped eating tomatoes... for 400 years. Most people didn't have pewter plates, but had trenchers - a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Trenchers were never washed an= d=20 a lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy trenchers, they would get "trench mouth." Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper crust." --part1_ba.156c7ea.25d0b66c_boundary--

Have found another site which might be of interest to some people. It is a publisher of genealogy books and books of regional interest: I found they publish a reprint of a 1941 "Sons and Daughters of....." of one of my branches, I thought my kids were destined to have Xerox copies of my book. Maybe if the rascals are on their good behavior Santa may give them new books! Try it out. http://www.higginsonbooks.com/ Bill Iden, NJ son of a Carroll County boy and a Stark County Girl

Could anyone on this list tell me how I would go about obtaining info on someone buried in Canton's Potters-field about 1900. I am particularly interested in my great grand parents Fred and Eva Mross. Thank you. Bill Reynolds

Doug - I, too, am interested in knowing if SHEARER's changed to SHERER, or vice versa. My grandmother Grace Pearl Muckley married Willard SHERER. He died at age 33, about 1917-18. They were married about 1905-06. I know nothing about him. They lived in Canton (Stark) OH - my hometown for 35 years. (Actually, it is still my hometown! Wish I were back there !!) Until just recently - last few years - I had the understanding that grandmother's name was SHEARER. Only on finding some old info when my mother died in 1996, did I find for sure that it was spelled SHERER. Perhaps there was spelling both ways which caused me to think earlier that the spelling was SHEARER. I would be interested in anything you learn. Thanks ! Wendell Way - Kennesaw, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Garber <dmgarber@carolina.net> To: <OHSTARK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [OHSTARK] SHEARER/KEEFER/CLARK/BOWMAN > Hi Justin, > Is SHERER the same as SHEARER? If so, I have Jane SHERER b 25 Dec 1803 in PA, d. 28 May 1885 who married Francis HENRY abt 1820 in Washington Co., PA or what is now Poland, Mahoning Co., OH. Jane and Francis were my 2nd great grandparents. I can never find anything on Jane when I search -- now I'm going to try SHEARER. > > Doug Garber > > At 08:46 PM 1/31/00 +0000, Justin T. Long wrote: > >I'm seeking any info on the families of John SHEARER, who married Elizabeth > >KEEFER and Jacob CLARK, who married Susanna BOWMAN. John SHEARER, Jacob > >CLARK, and Susanna BOWMAN were all born in Pennsylvania. James SHEARER, son > >of the first couple, married Hettie CLARK, dau. of the second couple, and > >they moved to Kosciusko County, IN. They are my g-g-grandparents. > > > >Is anyone from Stark Co., Ohio, working on any of these families? > > > >Justin Long > >Monroe, Georgia, U.S.A. > > ---------- > GERBER/GARBER (Switz > Berks Co., PA > Somerset Co., PA > Holmes Co., OH > Tuscarawas Co., OH > Stark Co., OH > Geauga Co., OH > HOPKINS (Essex, England > MA > CT > VT > NY > Licking Co., OH > Geauga Co., OH) MCCOLLUM (Atlantic Co., NJ > Clermont Co., OH > Bracken Co., KY > Mahoning Co., OH) > HENRY ( Washington Co., PA > Mahoning Co., OH > Ashtabula Co., OH > Mahoning Co., OH) >

Hi Justin, Is SHERER the same as SHEARER? If so, I have Jane SHERER b 25 Dec 1803 in PA, d. 28 May 1885 who married Francis HENRY abt 1820 in Washington Co., PA or what is now Poland, Mahoning Co., OH. Jane and Francis were my 2nd great grandparents. I can never find anything on Jane when I search -- now I'm going to try SHEARER. Doug Garber At 08:46 PM 1/31/00 +0000, Justin T. Long wrote: >I'm seeking any info on the families of John SHEARER, who married Elizabeth >KEEFER and Jacob CLARK, who married Susanna BOWMAN. John SHEARER, Jacob >CLARK, and Susanna BOWMAN were all born in Pennsylvania. James SHEARER, son >of the first couple, married Hettie CLARK, dau. of the second couple, and >they moved to Kosciusko County, IN. They are my g-g-grandparents. > >Is anyone from Stark Co., Ohio, working on any of these families? > >Justin Long >Monroe, Georgia, U.S.A. ---------- GERBER/GARBER (Switz > Berks Co., PA > Somerset Co., PA > Holmes Co., OH > Tuscarawas Co., OH > Stark Co., OH > Geauga Co., OH HOPKINS (Essex, England > MA > CT > VT > NY > Licking Co., OH > Geauga Co., OH) MCCOLLUM (Atlantic Co., NJ > Clermont Co., OH > Bracken Co., KY > Mahoning Co., OH) HENRY ( Washington Co., PA > Mahoning Co., OH > Ashtabula Co., OH > Mahoning Co., OH)

This page contains information about where to obtain vital records (such as birth, death & marriage certificates and divorce decrees) from each state, territory and county of the United States. http://vitalrec.com

In case there are others like myself who were not aware of it, The University of Michigan has a copy of the book- "Ohio State Gazetteer and Business Directory for 1860-61" on-line with what appears to be a very user friendly search engine for it at: http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=AJA2907 I found some information very interesting when I entered several ancestor's names I am searching. Bill Iden, NJ son of a Carroll County Boy and a Stark County Girl

I'm seeking any info on the families of John SHEARER, who married Elizabeth KEEFER and Jacob CLARK, who married Susanna BOWMAN. John SHEARER, Jacob CLARK, and Susanna BOWMAN were all born in Pennsylvania. James SHEARER, son of the first couple, married Hettie CLARK, dau. of the second couple, and they moved to Kosciusko County, IN. They are my g-g-grandparents. Is anyone from Stark Co., Ohio, working on any of these families? Justin Long Monroe, Georgia, U.S.A.

I had a number of people respond to my mention of MILLER surname and thought perhaps others would be interested in the responses. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Shaffer" <ashaffer@bright.net> To: "Diana Davis" <ddavis@logicsouth.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [OHSTARK] KIRK, MEESE, STOCK, MILLER --mid 1800's Stark Co., OH > Diana, > > I have Miller ties to Stark Co., OH. Could you give me some names and > dates? > > Alice Shaffer > ashaffer@bright.net > +++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: <RoseVanMat@aol.com> To: <ddavis@logicsouth.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [OHSTARK] KIRK, MEESE, STOCK, MILLER --mid 1800's Stark Co., OH > Diana, > I am hunting on information on a Faith Miller who was born in or around > Massillion somewhere between 1891 and 1910. Have you got her in your > database? > I believe she died in 1934 in or near Warren,PA. > Thanks, > Rose ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: <BalrdSony@aol.com> To: <ddavis@logicsouth.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHSTARK] KIRK, MEESE, STOCK, MILLER --mid 1800's Stark Co., OH > Who are some of your Miller's? > > My line is down from Frederick Miller b abt 1839 Oh married Theresa Clurcay > Taylor May 20 1860 Stark co., Oh daughter of I. Taylor and Margaret Johnston. > > Sonya +++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: "L Grantham" <grantha@futureone.com> To: <ddavis@logicsouth.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:22 PM Subject: Stark Co Names > My Millers from Stark Co and Columbiana Co are Conrad Miller and his sister > Mary Miller. They were born in early 1800's in Stark Co. Mar. in > Columbiana Co in abt 1828. To bro and sis. Andrew & Elizabeth > Burg/Buge/Burgh/Burk. > The Burg children were left with the Miller family shortly after their > arrival from Germany. Their parents went on (Not known where) and were not > heard from again. > I have transcribed both the Stark Co and Columbiana Co 1830 Census and have > not found the Millers that I believe belong to us. Both families moved to > Washington Co. Oh in 1840 > I have not analyzed the Columbiana Co census completely yet but do believe > that have found Andrew Burg as Andrew Burk but am not ready to say that > Conrad Miller is in that census. He certainly is not under the name of > Conrad. Unless I missed something. > Do they sound like they might belong to you? I have descendants of Conrad > after they arrived in Washington co. Also have some of the Burg's but they > became Burks in the census in about 1870 and don't know for sure if I have > them down pat. Lots of English-Irish Burks arrived in the 1860's and oh > my.... Course my Burk could have left the area too. > Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks L Grantham > grantha@futureone.com > . > >

--part1_25.14f1118.25c711ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_25.14f1118.25c711ac_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: MJPinPTC@aol.com From: MJPinPTC@aol.com Full-name: MJPinPTC Message-ID: <1b.72c643.25b6625b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:42:03 EST Subject: (no subject) To: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb. com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 55 I have Abraham BEALS, b. 7 Jan 1798 in Maryland, d. 29 Dec 1855 in Hancock County Ohio. He married, 1836, Rebecca ALLOWAY, b. 12 Dec 1801 in Pennsyvania, d. 27 Nov. 1880 in Hancock County, Ohio. Abraham BEALS entered Hancock County on 17 Apr 1832 from Stark County. I don't know if these are Quaker records or public records. I do not have their pedigrees. Do you have them in your files? --part1_25.14f1118.25c711ac_boundary--

My Mary Corl married a Miller. The family had started out in Stark Co and then moved into Portage, so I requested death records for a Mary Miller who died in Portage Co. Found out later, that MY Mary (Corl) Miller died in Indiana... but I received this from the Ravenna Courts. Maybe it will help someone else (oh, keep in mind that death prior to 1900 or so were recorded after the fact and may not be accurate): Mary Miller Race: Caucasian Place of Birth: unknown Condition: married Occupation: houskeeper Date of Death: 08/12/1883 <--- this date was used a lot, so probably isn't right Age at Death: 45 yrs Cause of Death: tumor Last Living: in Franklin Parents: unknown Court: Portage Co. Probate

Albert BALL b: 7Jul 1830 in Greentown, Ohio and died 7 Aug 1915 was an inventor of agricultural implements. His most famous invention was the Red Jacket Plow in Aug 1871. Albert owned a company known as the A. Ball & Company located in Canton. His father was John Ball who married Martha Grimes. I am interested in information about Albert from a historical perspective if anyone knows about him and also if anyone has knowledge of his parents and siblings that can help me out. Thank you, Robert Ball

Edward Samuel Jordan B/3 Jan.1876 Glenmont ,Ohio D/11 May 1957 Lorain ,Ohio married to Nettie V. Gray B/12 May 1879 Killbuck, Ohio d/25 Dec. lorain ,Ohio were married in Stark co. WHEN ? they had two children born there Walter E,Jordan b/12 Mar.1905 and a Carrie I Jordan B/10 Mar.1903 before moving to Lorain.. Any information Greatly appreciated Bill Jordan

I'm sending this email to a number of HALTER researchers that I've corresponded with in the past, hoping to see if anyone has any new information on the HALTER families who came from Alsace to America. It is a fact that some of the HALTER families stopped for a while in Stark and Carroll counties in Ohio. Some of them moved on westward to MO and other states. Below are a few of the many connections between the Schott & Halter lines. I am hoping to put a few of these families together, linking back through Ohio to Alsace. My husband's direct Halter line is: 1 Louis Halter 1765 - m. Madeline Royer 1769 - 2 Mathias Halter 1807 - 1873 m. Theresa Mary Marz 1812 - 1865 3 Louis Halter 1843 - 1883 m. Mary Elizabeth Lindeman 1849 - 1934 4 Michael Henry Halter 1872 - 1970 m1st Mary Ethel Carlisle (mother of children) 1880 - 1937 m2nd Mary Lena Kief 1882 - 1966 5 Norbert Louis Halter 1923 - m. Margaret Elizabeth Boyd 1924 - 1982 6 Philip Michael Halter 1948 - m. Linda Francine Conn 1949 - === 1 Leonard Halter (son of Louis Halter & Eliz Klipfel) b: October 25, 1880 in Oran, Scott Co., MO d: April 19, 1928 in Old Guardian, Oran, Scott Co., MO . +Anna Schott (dau of John Schott & Mary Ann Richter) b: May 26, 1884 in New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO m: May 28, 1906 in New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO d: April 20, 1955 in Old Guardian Angel, Scott Co., MO ===== 1 Antoine Schott (son of Antoine Schott & Mary Ann Goengel) b: January 09, 1795 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France d: December 18, 1852 in Mineral City, Tuscarawas Co. or Morges, Carroll Co., Ohio +Gertrude Halter (dau of Anthony Halter & Elizabeth Linck) b: March 14, 1798 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France m: September 20, 1821 in St. Nicolas Catholic Church, Schirrhein, Alsace, France d: November 01, 1877 in St. Peters, Canton or Waynesburg, Stark Co., OH ===== 1 Joseph Schott (parents unknown) d: Bef. 1849 +Eve Halter (parents unknown) d: Bef. 1849 2 Antoine Schott b: 1765 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France d: December 26, 1849 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France +Marie Anne Goengel b: February 07, 1759 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France d: November 22, 1827 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France ===== 1 William Lawrence Halter (son of Philip James Halter & Mary Welter) b: 1903 +Lorena Schott (parents unknown) *2nd Wife of William Lawrence Halter: +Beaulah ===== 1 Christian Halter (son of Louis Halter & Madeline Royer)b: 1807 in Germany (per 1860 census) d: 1852 in St. Lawrence Cem., New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO . +Mary "Nancy" Schott (parents unknown) b: 1811 in Germany ..... 2 John Halter b: 1847 in Missouri ..... 2 Mary Halter b: 1849 ..... 2 Louis Halter b: 1855 in Missouri ..... 2 Joseph Halter b: 1857 in Missouri *2nd Wife of Christian Halter: +Margaret Kies ===== 1 Daniel Sylvanus Halter (son of John Halter & Catherine Markling) b: 1866 d: 1949 in Calvary Cem., Cleveland, Cuyahoga Co., OH . +Mary Ellen Schott (dau of Joseph Schott & Caroline Brankel) b: 1868 m: 1900 d: March 09, 1946 ..... 2 Marguerite Halter b: 1901 d: 1960 ...... +Louis A. Bauer ..... 2 Edwin Halter b: 1907 d: 1976 ...... +Georgia Wilker ..... 2 John Halter b: 1898 ...... +Marie ..... 2 Hilda Halter b: April 23, 1904 d: November 06, 1986 ..... 2 Clarence Halter b: April 10, 1895 d: April 09, 1995 in St. Peter Cem., Canton, Stark Co., OH (Monsignor in Catholic Church) ..... 2 Daniel Halter b: 1909 d: 1973 ......... +Irene Webber ===== Hope to hear from some of you. Francine Conn Halter 11226 South Vandalia Ave. Tulsa, OK 74137

Anyone one the list have any new HALTER information? I'm trying to connect our Louis Halter born Alsace to possible ancestors in Switzerland? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. === Ludwig/Louis Halter b: Bet. 1765 - 1775 in Schirrhein, Alsace, France (originally Switzerland?) d: Aft. 1850 in New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO (probably) m. in Germany/France/Switzerland Madeline Royer March 12, 1796 b: Abt. 1769 in Germany/France/Switzerland in Schirrhofen, Alsace, France d: Aft. 1850 in probably New Hamburg, Scott Co., MO They were in Stark Co., OH in the mid-1800's as some of their children were born there. Francine Conn Halter

Does any one have acess to the census of 1910? For a look up of Frank Nolan? Massillon, Ohio

Researching KIRK, MEESE, STOCK, MILLER all with ties to Stark Co., OH Diana ddavis@logicsouth.com My Genealogy site updated 11/30/99: http://www.my-ged.com/davis/ WORLDCONNECT (any surname)-- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ Add to Rootsweb material and update YOUR family at NO COST (Don't wait 'til it is 'done'!)

Searching for kin. Samuel Sharpe HANKINS, son of Richard of Millville NJ, migrated to Stark county in 1831 and settled in Perry twp. near Massillon. He had 13 children: Sarah B., Gilbert, Hannah S., Rebecca A., Eleanor D., Catherine, Mary M., Sylvia J., Samuel B., Richard, Melissa A., Martha L. Richard, my ggfather, had 10 children: Joel R., Laura, Esmond, William, Ormond, John, Samuel, Ellen C., Hazel D., Harvey V. Any information appreciated, Gary Hankins in the San Diego area

Searching for a FRANK NOLAN and ELENORA BORGEGRACIE. I have no dates to go on. However Frank and Elenora had a son named WILLIAM FRANKLIN NOLAN b. Feb. 9, 1904 in Massilon, Ohio. Have searched this name many times but always run into a brick wall. ANY help would be greatly appricated. Thanks, Penny