I tried to respond to the above address earlier, asking for some dates. I have repeated all of my work with the information below, attempting to connect it with my family members, but am still unable to confirm any connections. I have been unable to definitely locate the Maria Mastin below through Ancestry.com. I had thought the OHSHELBY had a message board there. I am still learining to navigage Ancestry, I guess. Anyway, I am hoping either of the two addresses above can help me to place the Linder, Wagner, Holz, and Romons names below into a time frame to try to connect them to my Cyphers, Wagner, and Linder family members in Sidney, Shelby County, Ohio. Can anyone help? Smudf@aol.com wrote: Hello list, My name is Maria Mastin and I was interested to read the postings on Monday about the Linder/Wagner family. I am a descendant of Anna Margaret Wagner who was a daughter of Anthony Joseph Wagner and Barbara Manger (my 3rd great grandparents). One of Anthony's brothers was named Peter Wagner. Another brother was George Wagner who married Mary Linder. I have Mary's parents as George Linder and Margaret Holtz. It seems likely to me that we have a connection. Anthony, George and Peter were all sons of Mathias Wagner and Marie Elizabeth Romons. I believe that the Wagner, Linder and Romons families were all prominent in Sidney and many are buried in Graceland Cemetery. Sandra Franz