I have been trying to teach myself to use my "drafts" folder, however I seem to have no record there when I actually send something. Did I send the below to Mary Renner? Also, I wanted to advise that I have e-mailed Holy Angels Church and the funeral home, but have heard nothing. Did I do something wrong? My Prior Message: Thank you for your reply! So now I have a John (dob Ohio 1838) and Mary in addition to John Albert (dob in Ohio 8 Mar 1843) and Barbara! Great grandfather was born in Germany 17 Jul 1842, and must have been in Sidney some time in 1867, I calculate, because their first child was born 27 Apr 1868. I do not have a map of Ohio, so I do not know how close Sidney is to either Pomeroy, Meigs or Piqua, Miami County. It seems that John had moved from Sidney not long after 1840, and John Albert had moved some time before 1870. I do not want to overburdon you, and am ready to give up on this for a while. I am just afraid you will not be able to find out any more about the Cyphers, but it seems that this will be easier for you to research, and I would be grateful for any crumb of information. Mary/Jim Renner <jrenner1@woh.rr.com> wrote: I work one block from the Shelby County, Ohio, Health Department and one block from the Shelby County Courthouse. I can do limited look-ups (free) as my time permits. I go over on my lunch hour alot. If you will give me the name, approximate birth/death date or at least a range of years, I can at least check to let you know if there is a record. I can let you know what is on the record or if you want you can obtain a certified copy by writing to the health dept. Only certified copies are available from the health dept. and the cost is $15 each. For older birth records, I can check the records at the courthouse which is more time consuming but I am willing to do what I can as my time permits. Mary ==== OHSHELBY Mailing List ==== Check out Shelby County, OHGenWeb page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohshelby/mnpg.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Sandra Franz