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    1. [OHRICHLA] Pittsburgh Investors - Farmers Farm Company
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Given, Walker, Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AYB.2ACE/490 Message Board Post: By January 1907 a group of four Pittsburgh investors (T. H. Given, Samuel C. Walker, William Walker, and Hay Walker, Jr.) had purchased about 4,000 acres of Ohio land in Richland County, Huron County, and Crawford County. An option was given to William Smith to acquire a 1/8 interest in this land, held in the name of Farmers Farm Company and purchased at a total cost of around $160,000. In 1913, Farmers Farm Company was largely controlled by William Walker and Hay Walker, Jr. through the W. & H. Walker firm in Pittsburgh. The banker T. H. Given, long associated with Farmers Deposit National Bank in Pittsburgh, a bank on whose board the Walkers served from 1861 until 1939, likely also contined to have an interest in this company. I hope someone on this list may be familiar with the Farmers Farm Company and know something about its activities in Richland County.

    06/29/2003 03:50:13
    1. [OHRICHLA] PENNEL,WILSON: VanScoy-Knapp Reunion August 16, 2003
    2. PENNEL and WILSON families Abraham and Mary (Knapp) VAN SCOY were born in Westchester County, New York, in the late 1700s. In the 1830s they moved to Huron County, Ohio. They were preceded to Huron County, Ohio, by her father Brundage KNAPP and later joined by his first cousins, Cornelius and James Van Scoy. Abraham and Mary's son George Washington Van Scoy was born in 1822. He married Judith Ann STRIMPLE in 1850 in Richland County, Ohio. They lived in Butler Township, Richland County, Ohio. Abraham and Mary's daughter Alice Irena Van Scoy was born about 1825. She married (1) Matthew FANCHER and (2) John PENNEL in 1855. John and Alice Pennel, their daughter and son-in-law Florence and John WILSON, and grandson Albert Wilson were living in Butler Township, Richland County, Ohio, in 1880. In 1907 descendants of the Van Scoy and Knapp families formed the VanScoy-Knapp Reunion. We met annually until the mid 1960s. This summer we are meeting again in celebration of the bicentennial of Ohio statehood. If you are a descendant of any of these families, please join us in Willard, Ohio, on Saturday, August 16, 2003, for our reunion, or send a note which we can share with those who attend. For details, please contact me at [email protected] or [email protected]

    06/28/2003 03:28:34
    1. [OHRICHLA] Richland Co., Ohio USGenWeb Site Update ... 26 June 2003
    2. ============================================== Richland Co., Ohio USGenWeb Site Update ... 26 June 2003 http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/ ============================================== WHAT'S NEW THIS WEEK? http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/New2003.htm + Researcher Directory (Update) + Cemetery Records: Mt. Zion Lutheran Cemetery - older section (Monroe Twp.) - Transcription and location map. Submitted by Amy. + Family Records: Descendants of Edouad Bompasse [Bumpus]. Submitted by Marlow. + Family Records: Martin Kurtz Family. Submitted by Janice. + Historical Records: Statement of the Funds of Sharon Twp., Richland Co., as found on the 01 March 1875. Submitted by Amy. + Land Records: 1873 Plat Book. Butler Township w/ farm index. Submitted by Amy. Posting In Progress!! + Neighborhood News: Submitted by Amy. * Bellville Independent: 01 August 1895 * Bellville Independent: 08 August 1895 * Bellville Independent: 10 October 1895 * Shelby Independent News: 07 January 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 14 January 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 21 January 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 28 January 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 04 February 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 11 February 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 18 February 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 25 February 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 04 March 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 11 March 1875 * Shelby Independent News: 18 March 1875 + Obituaries: Submitted by Amy. * Anna Susan (Ensminger) Billow € * Carrie Brown € * Mrs. Jacob Clark € * Jabez Cook € * Mamie Cox € * Polly Curran € * Polly Curran € * Sarah (Crall) Ferree € * D.C. Hart € * Daniel Hart € * Clarence L. Madden € * Benjamin Markley € * Nancy (Paste) Melott € * Nancy Jane (Paste) Millott * Sarah (Livensparger) Mundey € * Joshua Rineheart € * T.J. Roberts € * Edward Shelly € * Mrs. William Tucker € * William Weaver € * Rebecca Wentz € * Benjamin Zeigler € * Samuel B. Ziegler € + Pictures Of People: John William Hibner Family. Submitted by Janice. + Pictures Of Places / Homes: Submitted by Amy. * Residence of Hiram E. Gibson - Jefferson Twp. * Residence of George J. Maxwell - Troy Twp. * Residence of John K. Williams - Lexington, Troy Twp. * Residence of D.L. Young - Jefferson Twp.

    06/27/2003 02:58:14
    1. [OHRICHLA] Re: OHRICHLA-D Digest V03 #87
    2. SUNDA PETERS
    3. I have been following the discussion of the costs of Ohio vital records. I have done my part in contacting legislators and the governor. I believe $1.00 is too little for the work involved and $17.00 is too much. Contrary to popular belief, the records are NOT automated and the search is not an easy one for the Ohio Department of Health employees who copy birth and death certificates for us. The records are not in a computer or on microfilm or microfiche. The certificates and corrections are bound together into books with hard covers, each about 2 to 3 inches thick and there are rows and rows of shelves, arranged chronologically. It is like the book stacks at most public libraries, but the shelves of books are less colorful and the books are more consistent in size and shape. Since a person was given 7 years to file the certificates, an employee may have to search through seven years worth of books for the information needed. I'm sure the employees are thankful to those people who filed very soon after the birth or death event occurred. Consider how long it takes us to look through an unindexed book to find information on a particular ancestor. Part of the increased cost of certificates will be used to digitize and index all of the birth and death records that exist and to then archivally store the originals. They hope to be done with this project by 2010, I believe. It is an enormous undertaking. Only then will it be an easy task to find the birth or death certificates we request from them. None of us wants to lose the availability of these records. They are, after all, called vital statistics. For ease of use and for preservation of these vital records, the certificates and corrections must be digitized and the orginals must be stored safely. The state needs to have a reasonable solution to the availability of copies and the cost to customers. I hope they find it. Sunda Anderson Peters

    06/26/2003 02:49:15
    1. [OHRICHLA] RE: Cost Increases for Ohio Records
    2. Jim Boyce
    3. I'm going to sound like the Scrooge-in-the-Box, but I really don't think $17.00 is too much to pay, even for an uncertified copy of a vital record. Think about the time to retrieve it, copy it, prepare it for mailing and then mail it. Even at minimum wage, that runs so far over $1.00, you can't blame the difference on taxes (especially since most of us "Ohio" genealogists are not Ohio taxpayers). How many who oppose this would be willing to put in an hour's work for $1.00? OK, I know: almost all of you; because you do at least that much freely for other persons seeking their roots in Ohio. But an hour's professional work? The folks at the State Bureau of Vital Statistics (or wherever) are not online genealogy buddies, they are working for a living, and the State has to pay them. Add in the supply costs and postage, and tell me what other equivalent product you can get for $17.00 (and I don't want to hear about McDonald's!) Jim Boyce resident in the country other Americans love to hate the most --- France

    06/25/2003 10:03:26
    1. Re: [OHRICHLA] RE: Cost Increases for Ohio Records
    2. Chamberlin's
    3. I recently did research on site in three Ohio counties and I have done mail research recently in several other states and Germany. When I did research on site, I was able to look things up and make copies for 5 cents to 25 cents a page. Of course I had travel costs and my time! When I had other states and counties do lookups, I paid from $5 to $10 for the certificate, but most often they did not find the record and I still paid. I have found that I or a hired researcher did a more thorough job, trying variant spellings, maiden name and married name, neighboring county, etc. When I paid someone to do lookups in Ohio and Nebraska it was someone affiliated with local genealogical or historical societies and it was roughly $5 a document, which often went to support the local group. In some cases I made a slightly larger donation to the local society and some cases they helped me in other ways, directing me to online resources or other local resources. I have some newly found cousins as a result. When I hired a researcher in Germany I pay the admission to the records keeping institution (usually $10) and then pay only for records found, transcribed and translated. I pay $14 per record. I have done this myself in the past in Germany and it cost me more per record, not even counting travel costs to Europe. My opinion is that $17 is fair if the people do research and not if they just do a five minute lookup on a computer or file drawer. Perhaps $5-10 would be fairer for that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristi Jalics" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [OHRICHLA] RE: Cost Increases for Ohio Records > Oh, Jim, I disagree. While $1.00 may be too little, $17.00 is ridiculous. And $1.00 may be fine if you appear in person and no mailing is involved. Things are automated. I think a professional clerk could do many of these uncertified copies in an hour. And I am not sure that they are always busy, though I really don't know about that. Also, many doing genealogy research are older and on fixed incomes. And multiple $17.00 charges surely can add up to a lot in a hurry. I can get quite a lot for $17.00, and I don't mean McDonalds. > > Neither do I hate France. I've been there several times and been treated well. I don't always like what the French gov't is doing, but then I very often disagree with my own American government's actions. > > Kristi > > Jim Boyce <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm going to sound like the Scrooge-in-the-Box, but I really don't think $17.00 is too much to pay, even for an uncertified copy of a vital record. Jim Boyce > resident in the country other Americans love to hate the most --- > France > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > ==== OHRICHLA Mailing List ==== > 1902 RICHLAND CO. DIRECTORY ... http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/1902.htm > 1920 MANSFIELD DIRECTORY - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/1920Directory/1920.htm >

    06/25/2003 06:52:22
    1. Re: [OHRICHLA] RE: Cost Increases for Ohio Records
    2. Kristi Jalics
    3. Oh, Jim, I disagree. While $1.00 may be too little, $17.00 is ridiculous. And $1.00 may be fine if you appear in person and no mailing is involved. Things are automated. I think a professional clerk could do many of these uncertified copies in an hour. And I am not sure that they are always busy, though I really don't know about that. Also, many doing genealogy research are older and on fixed incomes. And multiple $17.00 charges surely can add up to a lot in a hurry. I can get quite a lot for $17.00, and I don't mean McDonalds. Neither do I hate France. I've been there several times and been treated well. I don't always like what the French gov't is doing, but then I very often disagree with my own American government's actions. Kristi Jim Boyce <[email protected]> wrote: I'm going to sound like the Scrooge-in-the-Box, but I really don't think $17.00 is too much to pay, even for an uncertified copy of a vital record. Jim Boyce resident in the country other Americans love to hate the most --- France --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

    06/25/2003 02:34:19
    1. [OHRICHLA] S. J. Oldfield married Mary J. Grismer
    2. Hi List, If anyone is researching the above family, I just found a small bio on them at: <A HREF="http://genealogysearch.org/index.html">http://genealogysearch.org/index.html</A> It's under the new link for today 6-24-2003 "The History of Polk County" Biographies. First page that comes up just scroll down aways. Best of all it's free to read! Quite a few Ohio natives moved to that county. Deborah

    06/24/2003 04:11:44
    1. [OHRICHLA] email Governor Taft to stop 1700& price increase for birth & death certificates
    2. Mick Burdge
    3. IMPORTANT info for genealogists -- cost of Ohio birth & death certificates may go from $1 to $17. Your immediate action is necessary if we are to have any chance fo stopping this increase. If Governor Taft signs the bill, then you should immeidately contact your state senators and representatives and ask that they sponsor legislation to roll back the price increase and reinstate uncertified copies at reduced cost. I recently learned that the Ohio legislature has proposed a budget for 2002-2003 that will eliminate uncertified copies of birth and death records. If Governor Taft signs the bill as presented, you won't be able to get uncertified copies of those any more from the state or county depts of health after July 1 -- and your cost will go from $1 per uncertified copy to $17 for each certified copy -- a 1700% increase that will make the cost of genealogy research prohibitive, especially for retirees. Governor Taft has line item veto power which would enable him to veto the offending provisions of the bill -- but we must act NOW if we are to have any chance of influencing him to exercise his line item veto power. A campaign of email and phone calls should do it (letters will take to long, since Gov Taft is considering the budget now and is expecting to act on it within just a day or two). Please send Governor Taft an email -- or call his office and complain about the proposed increase. His email address and phone number are set forth below. Also below is a copy of an email I sent to the Governor this morning. You may also want to mention that many people begin researching their family histories after retirement -- but the proposed increase will make that cost prohibitive for them in particular. If just half of the subscribers to the Ohio rootsweb lists contact the Governor, we may be able to stop the increase. If yoiu want the Governor to send you a written response, you must include your snail mail address. (I included mine.) Thanks Mick Burdge Dayton, Ohio Governors email address: [email protected] His office phone numbers: (614) 466-3555 (614) 644-0957 Yoiu can find your state senators & representatives here: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/ My email to his office this morning: Dear Governor Taft -- I am asking that you please use your line item veto, and whatever other powers you have, to remove the proposed increase in the cost of obtaining death and birth certificates -- to be specific, please remove from the proposed budget the requirement that the public can obtain such vital records only in the form of expensive certified copies. The proposal would mean that the Ohio public would have to suffer an increase from $1 to $17 per copy. It is quite ironic that in the year 2003, while Ohio purports to celebrate its bicentennial, Ohio is about to enact legislation that makes it too expensive to research part of Ohio's history. The proposed budget will eliminate uncertified copies that so many historians, genealogists, and newspaper reporters use in researching early Ohioans. Perhaps a reasonable and modest increase to $2 for uncertified copies would be appropriate; but raising the cost from $1 to $17 is outrageous. The proposed increase will make it cost prohibitive for Ohioans to conduct family and genealogical research in this state. These records, especially death certificates, are critical to doing proper research. Death certificates contain names of parents, places of birth, and other information necessary to do proper research. I understand that the Dept of Health has stated that it needs to increase the fees for such records because it does not receive enough in fees to pay for the manpower necessary to fulfill requests. In my opinion, that is a false and pretextual position -- and attempt to continue it current unreasonable restriction on access to public records. The fact is that the dept makes it virtually impossible for researchers to access the records to conduct their own research. If the dept would make the records more accessible for citizens to do their own research, the dept could avoid the high labor costs it complains about. In order to research the records a person has to make an appointment about 2-3 weeks in advance because the dept places an unreasonable restriction on the number of researchers per day. Then the dept charges just $3 for doing research for a 10-year period. No wonder the dept fees do not pay for the labor costs involved. If the dept would make the records mor! e accessible and charge an appropriate fee for doing research, it would no have to raise the raise the cost of certificates from $1 to $17. Let me give three examples that show how the proposed increase will make research cost prohibitive. (1) Last year, I prepared a family history report as a gift for an Ohio citizen that served as a pilot in both World War II and the Korean War. His ancestors were some of the first to settle in the Cincinnati area when it was then called Columbia in the Northwest Territory. One of his ancestors is mentioned in an article in the first newspaper printed in the Northwest Territory. In the course of doing that research, I had to get copies of about 30 death certificates. Insofar as the certificates were for research purposes, I did not need them to be certified and my cost was $1 per record, a total of about $30. Under the proposed budget, I would have to pay for certified copies at $17 each -- a total of $510 -- even though I did all the research to determine the precise record that I needed. There is no way I could afford to make that kind of gift. (2) This year, I made a! similar gift to another Ohio elderly Ohio citizen who served in World War II at Normandy. I had to obtain about 27 uncertified death certificates at a cost of $27. Under the proposed budget, the cost would be $459. (3) Over the last five years, in researching my own family, I have obtained approximately 300 uncertified death records. The proposed budget would make that absolutely cost prohibitive -- $5100. Also, please note that the Mormon research facilities are no substitute for public access to Ohio public records. Moreover, the Mormon library's material does NOT include Ohio birth and death records after 1908. There is nearly a 100 year gap between the info at the Mormon library and today's records. The simple fact is this -- there is no legitimate reason why researchers should not be able to do their own research, and to pay for the actual cost of obtaining copies that their own research has identified and located. Please, please -- do not eliminate uncertified copies of vital records -- and do not allow the cost of vital records to increase to $17 each. Such an increase will put an end to family and genealogical research in this state. Thanks for listening -- and I hope to read in the newspaper that you have vetoed such an increase. Michael J. Burdge

    06/24/2003 04:23:35
    1. [OHRICHLA] Fogelsong's in Richland Co mid 1800's
    2. Bill
    3. Hello, I am looking for a Caroline Fogelsong that may have married into the Good family of Richland Co., OH about 1840/50. I believe there was someone asking about Fogelsong's a couple of weeks ago on this list. Please contact me off list , thank you. Best Regards, Bill

    06/23/2003 06:20:31
    1. [OHRICHLA] New Painter family genealogy
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PAINTER HEDGEWICH Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AYB.2ACE/489 Message Board Post: We have uploaded an expanded version of our four- generation Andrew and Catherine Painter genealogy, and invite Painter family researchers to review and criticize it. It is in Ancestry World Tree http://www.ancestry.com/trees/awt/main.htm, and can be found by searching on a fictional name, "Houstonville Painter." Our Andrew Painter was born about 1804 in Virginia, lived in Ohio until the mid-1850s, and probably died in Illinois before 1870. Three sons -- George Washington, John, and Isaac -- lived until 1919-20, and left descendants in and near Champaign County, Illinois; Gratiot County, Michigan; and Kansas. We can show evidence that our Andrew Painter was a son of John Painter (b. 1775, Virginia; d. 1860, Ohio) and his first wife, Rachel Redd (d. before 1808, Virginia). In about 1812, John Painter moved his family (including Andrew) from Virginia to Ohio, and settled in Richland County, Ohio, in 1814. Harold Painter in his 1975 Painter genealogy identified another Andrew Painter, who lived in Mansfield, Richland County, as the son of this John and Rachel (Redd) Painter. This identi- fication cannot be correct for the Mansfield Andrew Painter reported in the 1850-70 censuses that he was from Pennsylvania. EEP

    06/22/2003 04:57:22
    1. [OHRICHLA] Richland Co., Ohio USGenWeb Site Update ... 19 June 2003
    2. ============================================== Richland Co., Ohio USGenWeb Site Update ... 19 June 2003 http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/ ============================================== WHAT'S NEW THIS WEEK? http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/New2003.htm + Researcher Directory (Update) + Biographical Records: Abraham Williams Family Notes. Submitted by Janice. + Cemetery Records: Bellville Cemetery (update). Includes six FREEHAFER records submitted by Nancy. + Neighborhood News: Submitted by Amy. * Bellville Independent: 11 July 1895 * Bellville Independent: 18 July 1895 * Bellville Independent: 25 July 1895 + Obituaries: Submitted by Terry. * Dr. Guy T. Goodman * Lucena Goodman + Obituaries: Submitted by Linda & Shirley. * Mary Grace Castor * Loretta Esbenshade Coutts * Frank Honeberger + Obituaries: Submitted by Shirley. * Ruth B. Baughman * Donald P. Oswalt * Lester L. Sines * Rev. T.L. Williams + Obituaries: Submitted by Amy. * ---- Cochran € * Lydia A. Hill €€ * Benjamin Lockhart * Lizzie (Kochheiser) Nicholas € * James M. Steel € * James Milton Steel * ---- Stofer € * Libbie Swank € + Pictures Of People. Submitted by Elizabeth and Laura. * Anna A. (Lindley) Courtney * William Courtney + Probate Records: Will of John G. Kent. Submitted by Scott. + School Records: Submitted by Dalice. * Mansfield High School - Class of 1873 * Mansfield High School - Class of 1874 * Mansfield High School - Class of 1875 * Mansfield High School - Class of 1876 * Mansfield High School - Class of 1879 * Mansfield High School - Class of 1880 * Mansfield High School - Class of 1881 * Mansfield High School - Class of 1882 * Mansfield High School - Class of 1925 w/ Faculty names * Mansfield High School - Class of 1926 (as Juniors) * Mansfield High School - Class of 1927 (as Sophomores) * Mansfield High School - Class of 1928 (as Freshmen)

    06/20/2003 03:44:01
    1. [OHRICHLA] Estate Inventories
    2. Jim's and Florence's messages to the list regarding missing land records reminded me to check "Land & Property Research in the United States" by E. Wade Homes. I hope this is helpful to other listers having trouble finding deeds. In his chapter on strategies for researching individual land records, Homes points out that deeds aren't required to be filed on the date of the transaction, and he suggests that we check the county records for a minimum of 20 years after our ancestor is known to have died or moved away. For example, suppose my ancestor Elder Johnson bought a farm from Mr. Smith, and he didn't go to the county seat to register the purchase. Then suppose Elder Johnson left the farm to his son in his will, and once again the transfer of title wasn't registered. When Younger Johnson sells the farm to Mr. Williams, if Williams does register the sale, the county clerk finally knows about the earlier sale and the inheritance. The clerk asks for proof of the prior transactions, and Elder Johnson's purchase gets registered 40 years after the fact. (Meanwhile, I'm looking at the index for the deed book that covers the years when Smith actually sold the land to Elder Johnson, when what I really need is the later book.) Homes also says that when records had to be reconstructed after a court house fire, the deeds would be registered long after the actual transactions. Lynn

    06/20/2003 04:29:21
    1. [OHRICHLA] Estate Inventories
    2. Jim Boyce
    3. I am hoping that this will reach someone on the list who has some special knowledge about the probate of wills and the associated inventories of estates as was practiced in Richland County (perhaps in all of Ohio? or even all of the U.S.?) in the latter part of the 19th century and the early 20th century. I have wills for 6 ancestors who died in Richland County in 1842, 1865, 1874, 1898, 1900, and 1908. All of those persons were landowners. The man who died in 1900 was also recorded for many years as one of the wealthiest persons in Richland County (I should have been an heir!) and was a bank director, so I imagine that he, at least, among these persons had a bank account. Some of the wills I have give specific pieces of property to specific heirs. Some simply say everything is to go to one heir, or is to be divided among certain (or all heirs), etc. What is puzzling me is this: For most of these wills, I also have the "Inventory of Estate" that was preapred by the executor(s) and valued by the appraisor(s), but NONE of those inventories list ANY properties, bank accounts, cash, bouillon, stocks, bonds, or other real property or financial instruments. Can anyone tell me why this would be? Why such property would not be included in the estate inventories and valuations? Would such assets be listed/recorded elsewhere that I have overlooked? In at least one case, the decedent's estate was to be equally divided among his heirs. I have this meagre inventory, that does not include properties I know him to have owned at the time, and I have a copy of the Probate Court's approval of the dispersal of monies by his executors. However, I cannot figure out exactly what happened to those properties. Especially since the receipts signed by his heirs are for such small amounts. Not a really big deal 100 years later, but it really does puzzle me. It also makes me wonder if something was happening here that could explain the migration of heirs who appear to have had none of the financial resources that would be expected to ahve accrued to them from a propertied estate. Can anyone offer any insight into this? Thanks, Jim Boyce

    06/18/2003 09:42:23
    1. [OHRICHLA] Estate Inventories
    2. I have a similar situation for William Moulton, who migrated from Richland Co. to Barry Co., Michigan. The Barry Co. estate packet included a mention of an auction of William's farm equipment, animals and personal possessions. I think that the inventory had to be done by disinterested third parties to avoid the possibility of a legal challenge by disgruntled heirs. Cash in the bank, stocks and bonds, and deeds to property would already have been publicly recorded. If you're curious about the price of real estate that was sold, the office of the county Register of Deeds may have the amount. I have seen cases, though, where the deed book says the land was sold for $1.00. That was done to keep the finances of the buyer and seller private. Tax records might tell you the value of the land in comparison with others in the neighborhood, if not the actual assessed value. Unless someone archived the old bank records somewhere, I don't know how we'd find out about cash accounts. -- Lynn

    06/18/2003 04:25:48
    1. [OHRICHLA] Estate Inventories
    2. Florence Cannariato
    3. Real Estate, unless mentioned in the Last Will and Testament, usually was treated separately from personal estate because it can't be used up. Unless owned by a legal body it escheates to the state (king, duke, etc.) Records of land ownership are maintained by government because essentially they can't be owned in any permanent sense by any other body. If you can get copies of the accountings, including the final accounting for an estate it usually will show stocks, bank accounts and other securities along with disposition of any monies from sale of personal estate as shown in the inventories. I have some final accountings which show sale of crops harvested after the demise of the owner so I know there was land, but never have been able to find the land. Florence

    06/18/2003 02:06:35
    1. [OHRICHLA] Arthur M. BOHNERT, Jr.(b. 1920, Mansfield)
    2. Dear Listers, According to his death certificate, Arthur M. BOHNERT, Jr. was born 29 Oct 1920 in Ohio. A newspaper death notice said he was born in Mansfield, OH. The unusual aspect of this is that his parents were listed in the 1920 US census in California, and the family arrived in Sydney, Australia, on 29 July 1924, from San Francisco, when Arthur, Jr. was only 3 1/2. The mystery is: what were they doing in Mansfield when Arthur, Jr. was born? My question is whether I can get a birth certificate for Arthur, Jr. I am not a relative, but am the Director of Research for the CA Genealogical Society, seeking this for a lady in Australia.. I seem to remember that Ohio is sticky about such things. Any advice will be gratefully appreciated by Rick Sherman Kensington, CA

    06/16/2003 07:12:21
    1. [OHRICHLA] funeral Book for Glenn Miller
    2. Dear List, There is a funeral Book for Glenn Miller of Mansfield Ohio up for sale on E-Bay. This funeral book dated May 5th 1987 is from the funeral of Glenn M. Miller born Nov 12 1902 in Lexington Ohio, the book contains 7 pages of friends and relatives that visited during the funeral, the book is in fine condition. I am not the seller. I simply wanted to let anyone know who might be a relative and want this book. Sale ends Jun-18-03 06:56:21 PDT Peggy Price http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2934817672&category=2980

    06/16/2003 02:18:01
    1. [OHRICHLA] Worthington Township, 1849
    2. Dean Fisher
    3. Hi, I'm new to this list. I'm looking for information on my family when they lived in Worthington Township, Richland county in 1849. Specifially I'm interested in my gg aunt Julia A. Fisher (or Fischer) that was born in Worthington on June 20, 1849 to Emanuel and Catherine Fisher or Fischer. I want to find out what her middle name is, so birth records would be great. I also am interested in her brother Mathias and sister Christina, also born in Worthington Twnshp. For the record, the family lived in Worthington Twnshp until about 1851, then they moved to Tama County, Iowa. Emanuel and Catherine were Immigrants from Germany. They moved to Worthington from Pennsylvania, not sure when but probably about 1843. Any help I can get would be greatly appreciated. I own the farm that was the old family homestead in Iowa now, it's been in the family since 1853, so I'm intensely interested in piecing together all the details. Regards, Dean Fisher

    06/15/2003 02:45:21
    1. [OHRICHLA] Quaker Burial Ground
    2. Westerhold
    3. Can anyone tell me where the Quaker Bural Ground is located in or near Lexington, OH? Thanks, Pam

    06/14/2003 08:06:32