Jerry, Thank you so much for the information that you sent the list! This is so helpful, because this is definitely the family that i am looking for. and now i KNOW that nellies parents were james and jane, my mother was really not sure! Anyway thank you so much for looking it up for me .Another question from this information-- so is samuel, james dad, and is all this information somewhere that i can find it? thanks again! Crystal Lynn Echols Researching: ECHOLS, HARGER, SHIELDS, HASTINGS, WALL, WARNER, PINKARD, SHOEMAKER,SHUMAKER, TURNER, JONES, HELSER,COTTERMAN, HULL, STEWART, ENOCH