Here is how it goes regarding my CHURCH inquiry. My great grampa Frank E Black 1863 Maxville OH - 1927 San Diego CA was a railroad conductor for the So Pacific RR; he started working around age 16 for the railroad in OH as brakeman for the Ohio Central RR. He was raised by his "maternal" grampa, Henry and Susannah Carey Black. The family moved from Perry Co to Hardin Co OHIO about 1867, after the Civil War, in which Henry and 5 of his sons served (have 1905 hist bio of Frank mentioning regiment, etc). For 1870, the Black family is in Hardin Co OH and Frank shows as F E Church age 6, grandson. For 1880, Frank shows as Frank Church, grandson, living with his gramma Susanna as Henry died in 1879. Henry and Susanna C Black had many children. The girls were as follows: - Rachel Black b: 1837 d 1906 md 1877 James Firestone - Elizabeth Black b: 1838 d 1874 md 1872 John C Sleighter d 1879; they had Eddie Sliester per the 1880 census who also worked for the railroad as brakeman later and went onto CA with my grampa who went there in 1891. Chas "Ed" Sleichter b 1872 OH md Minnie Kennedy and had Ray. - Matilda A Black b: 1841 d 1921 md 1866 James M Davis; they had several females I have the death certificate for my grampa Frank E Black in which it shows his father as James _______; no mother listed. I think that Frank used either his stepfather's name here per his wishes via his widow, Maggie Current Black, OR, that his father was indeed a James Church or even a Frank Church. It does appear that Frank E Church took the family name of Black at some time; and likely after both of his grandparents had passed (Susanna passed in 1892). I have seen this family listed and wondered about the Thomas J Church who moves on. And, I have also looked for a Frank Church and a James Church as well. The James Church and family of Hardin Co was married to an Eliz Halsey so this family does not apply. I believe that Rachel Black Firestone (James) or Elizabeth Black Sleighter (John C) is the mom of my Frank E (Church) Black. Frank E Black md 1885 Maggie Current and had my grampa Clinton E Black 1886 OH - 1973 CA. I may never know who the father of Frank was but I continue to look - for Church, etc. Also, my mom said (now deceased) that she only was aware of Isaac, Avery, Hattie, and Charles Black (Chas onto Mansfield), so this checks out. Mom also mentioned that when someone died (she had assumed a lady married to a Black) that she remarried a Mr Sliester. This would also change things and make one of the Black male children of Henry and Susannah C Black eligible, but, it would not explain the surname of Church for my Frank E (Church) Black. Not unless one of the Black males was married or engaged to a female Church. Thanks for yours response and any input further. I have a site called TEETER KIN at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~teeterkinmy/index.html There is some Black genealogy there and also photos. God bless. Laurie S Dunham -----------------------------------------end. Message: 4 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:09:22 -0700 From: "Sue" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OHPERRY] Church To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Do you have any first names? I have David Church b 1798 and his children, Thomas, Martha, Sylvester, Sarah, Emily, David jr. and Mary. Sue C. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lakeshore32 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [OHPERRY] Church Does anyone have any data on the CHURCH families in Perry Co? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the OHPERRY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the OHPERRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of OHPERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 140 ***************************************