This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: karmtayl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.muskingum/6427.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I find no Hooks in the St. Paul Lutheran Cem. (Perry, Muskingum OH). That didn't surprise me as "Hook" would be a very rare family name for FRA or GER. I did find several listings for HOUCK: Houck, Joph d. Oct 19, 1842 (62-10-20) Joph usually = Joseph, but I believe this should read: John (see below) Houck, Barbara d. Aug 25, 1882 (87-1-17) in another plot, not adjacent: Houck, Matilda d. Aug 21, 1850 (37-6-20) wife of John A John Hauck was early into Muskingum Co. He is on the 1807 Salem Twp. tax roll, and there is a John "Houk" on the 1832 Perry Twp. plat map (his property is near the western township line with Washington Twp., midway down). The Muskingum marriage books show John Hauck m. #1 Catherine McCann on 3 Oct 1805 and #2 Barbara Trout (the wife bur with him in St. Paul) on 4 May 1920. An Anc. Family Trees chart gives these vitals: John Hauck, b. 29 Nov 1779 NJ, d. 19 Oct 1842 Perry, Muskingum OH and says there's a will filed in Muskingum Co. dated 8 Sep 1842. The F.T. chart lists only one child: James Madison Hawk b.1811 NJ. I guess a birthplace of NJ for a son possible, but it seems a bit odd that John should go back to NJ after he was already in OH. In any case I think there were more children. A John "Haack" is in the 1820 Zanesville, Muskingum census with this household: 1 male 26-44 1 female 45 and over 1 male 16-25 1 male 10-15 1 male under 10 1 female 16-25 1 female 10-15 A John Houck is in the 1830 Perry Twp. census (name spelled Houch) just 3 properties from Anthony Trout, with this household: 1 male 50-59, 1 female 30-39 (that would be Barbary, wife #2) 1 male 20-29 1 male 5-9 1 male under 5 1 female 5-9 1 female under 5 This John (Jno) is also in the 1840 Perry census. The oldest son has moved out. 1 male 60-69 1 female 40-49 2 males 15-19 1 female 15-19 1 female 10-14 1 female 5-9 The 1850 Muskingum census is interesting. Perry Twp.: 1, John Houck, b. abt. 1812 OH Matilda Houck, b. abt. 1814 PA (she's bur St. Paul) Chas. Edwards b. abt 1829 Sarah A. Edwards b. 1829 Barbary Edwards , b. abt 1848 John W. W. Edwards, b. abt 1850 Barbary Houck, b. abt 1800 VA Given the name pattern, this is likely Barbary the widow of John Hauck, living with a son-in-law and dau. Later, in 1880, she resides with son John b. 1822 in Perry Twp. (name spelled "Houk") * * * * * * * * Wayne Twp. George Houck b. abt. 1824 OH with wife Nancy b. 1821 VA and children Eleanor S. b. 1847, Sarah J. b. 1850 Nicolas Grether, b. abt.1821 FRA, merchant, with wife Sarah b. 1825 PA and children Lewis H. b. 1842, Nicholas J. b. 1846, John W. b. 1850 Theresa Grether, b. abt. 1775 FRA, living in the Casper Teaterpeck household John Grether, b. abt 1790 FRa, with wife Elizabeth b. abt. 1788 FRA and household Joseph b.1826 FRA, Mary A. b. abt 1827 OH, Mary A. b. abt 1827 OH, Elizabeth b. abt 1846 OH, Catherine b. abt 1850 OH. There's also a Howk in Adams Twp., a Hock in Brush Creek Twp, a Mark Houck in Union Twp. (that's close to Perry) and a Mary Houck in Blue Rock. * * * * * * * * * * Other Muskingum Co. Houck/Hook/Hawk marriages Houck, Mary to Jacob Slack 16 Jun 1813 Houck, Margaret to John Stanton 21 Jan 1819 Houck, Jacob to Malvina Reed 12 Nov 1830 Houck, Sophia to John Ecleberry 29 Aug 1830 Hawks, Elizabeth to Benjamine Walters 19 Mar 1815 Hawk, Alfred to Hetty Mattocks 9 Aug 1827 Hawk, Joseph to Massena Baldwin 8 Jun 1829 Hawk, Sarah Ann (Licking Twp.) to Tobias Livingston 27 Dec 1835 Hawkes, Mary Ann to John Johnson, 13 Apr 1843 Hook, Joshua to Margaret Brister 4 apr 1824 Hook, Henry to Rachel Horner 20 Jul 1826 Hook, Martha to Sameul Goff, 27 Oct 1827 Hook, Jane Eliza to David Grant, 3 Feb 1831 Hook, A Rose to Charles Kols 18 Apr 1837 Hook, Harriet to William P. Carlton 1 Nov 1838 In the 19th and early 20th c., whether a person said they were from Alsace or from GER might depend on their age and political sympathies. Alsace and Lorraine changed hands sev. times. Most of Alsace gradually became French bet. 1600-1800 and remained so until the Franco-Prussian War in 1870, at which time Germany annexed both Alsace and Lorraine. They were part of the German Empire until they were reclaimed by France in 1918 (Treaty of Versailles). They were once again taken by Germany during W.W. II but reverted to France in 1945 and have been French since then. The Alsatian dialect, however, is closer to German than to French. Muskingum Co and OH didn't keep birth and death records before 1867, as far as I know. I suppose there could be some St. Paul church records going back further, but I rather doubt it. I suspect the grave inscriptions and some family bible records are about all that has survived from that far back. However, that's a question you should ask of the MCCOGS folks. E-mail: [email protected] If anybody knows the answer, it would be Doug Kreis, who has an amazing knowledge of the Lutheran churches of Muskingum and Coshocton counties. 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