Hi Joanne, The travel route from New York City to Piqua depends on several factors. Here I am including some general information along with an attempt to answer your question! *What time period did your ancestors immigrate to the US? The earlier they came, the possibilities are fewer. They could have traveled over land on the various "roads" of the time, but this was a very difficult and long journey. They would have had to purchase a wagon and mules in order to make this journey, so unless they had some money they could spare, this would not be the first choice. Many, many immigrants moved west by the waterways. If it was after 1825, they went up the Hudson River to the Erie Canal and traveled across New York State to Lake Erie. Here is a description that was posted on another mailing list of how one family traveled to St. Paul. It will give you some idea: The following account given by a man who traveled in 1849 from Augusta, Maine to St. Paul. It's not clear how far he took the 'steam car.': "...I started from Maine by the steam cars, taking them at Augusta....We went by boat to Boston, then by rail to the Erie Canal. We were ten days on a good clean canal boat and paid five dollars for board and our ticket. I don't remember how long we were on the lakes or what we paid, I should say two weeks. We landed at Chicago. It was an awful mud hole....A man was sending two wagons and teams to Galena, so I hired them...We bought tickets to St. Paul. Three of us took passage on the Yankee. She was really more of a freight than a passenger boat. She only made three trips to St. Paul that year...It was so cold the fifteenth day of October that the Captain was afraid that his boat would freeze in, so would go no further and dumped us in Stillwater... Source: The Project Gutenberg EBook of Old Rail Fence Corners, by Various This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.net Title: Old Rail Fence Corners The A. B. C's. of Minnesota History Author: Various Editor: Lucy Leavenworth Wilder Morris Release Date: July 30, 2007 [EBook #22179] Language: English Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 *** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK OLD RAIL FENCE CORNERS *** Produced by K Nordquist, Dave Morgan, Graeme Mackreth and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22179/22179-h/22179-h.htm As you can see, it is not a simple question and even this mode of travel required that the immigrant had a little money. Travel to Piqua could also have been on the canals that, as I understand it, no longer exist today. If they had sufficient funds and it was 1860 or after, they could have used the railroads or partly by rail and partly by water. *Did they have a large or small amount of money? As I have already mentioned, money was a huge factor in how they traveled. The more limited their funds, the more limited the possibilities and the longer the journey. By far the cheapest way to cross New York State was by water. *How many were in the traveling party? While we all know that many families moved to all parts of the US in various fashions during the 18th century, families with small children most likely chose methods of travel that would be the most congenial for their little ones - certainly a canal boat would have been easier than going overland and cheaper, too. If it was a small group of men - brothers, cousins, etc., it is possible they would have looked for a faster way to travel, but again, it would depend on the funds at their disposal. Of course they could have stopped along their way and worked at various jobs to earn more money and some of them did, but to know absolutely how YOUR ancestors arrived in Piqua would be impossible unless you found their diary or some other of their personal papers that told of this account. Despite the fact that many traveled the waterways, others the railways and still others by wagon, I think you will discover that there was still some uniqueness in how each immigrant or immigrant family arrived at their destination. As for a book on this subject, I really do not know of any one book that addresses this subject. You might try looking into what the Ohio libraries might have on this subject. I doubt you will find it in any one book. For example I am currently reading a book on the Erie Canal (in New York State) and it discusses how the immigrants traveled along the canal to their destinations and some about what their experiences might have been. Maps of the period in question will undoubtedly allow you to see the possibilities for travel. Probably the best source for this subject would be any personal accounts you might be able to find, most probably in the libraries or perhaps the Historical Societies. I would recommend asking the Flesh Public Library. The people there are very helpful and if they do not have anything that might provide the information, they probably would know if there is anywhere you could contact that might be able to help you. The e-book I referenced earlier in this post has some very interesting personal accounts that may give you some insight. I hope that this helps in some way. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/ ----- Original Message ----- From: j paymal To: OHMIAMI-L Sent: 23 February, 2008 12:31 AM Subject: [OHMIAMI] German immigrants I am sure someone can recommend a book that I might read to explain the path a new immigrant would travel from New York to Piqua, Ohio in 1853. Would this new immigrant need to have a sponsor if his passage was paid for by his native country? Recommendations appreciated--and thanks! Joanne Lang Paymal @ langsonly.com tdn-net.com/genealogy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHMIAMI-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Palatines to America Society, a German genealogy group, has its national headquarters in Columbus. It has a good German genealogy library. The library is open on Wed, Thur and Friday from 10:00 to 3:00. It is open the same hours on the first and third Saturdays. There is a small fee for visitors who are non- members. Also for a small fee, the library will do research from the internet. The web site is http://www.palam.org. There is also a small bookstore. The group will hold its national conference in June. The address is: 611 E. Weber Rd. Columbus, OH 43211 614.267.4700 It is near the intersection of I-71 and Weber Rd. It is in a small office building by the railroad track. Ruth Ann EvansColumbus _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join

thank you Linda Gutierrez for your detailed reply. Don't know that my reply to questions asked will offer any more insight, but just in case.... Time period was 1853 Money he had must have been near nothing--the community paid his transport Have not been able to determine if a sister and her family came as well, but if so, the family history by mouth says they lost contact with each other If the community paid his expenses, I assume he was destitute, so how did he make connections? Have attempted to learn as much as possible on line before making a trip to Ohio so that I might have a clue as to where to look. But, so far no luck. The only hint I have found is that at one time he was listed in the census as with the Schmidlapp family. Thanks again for taking the time to answer in such detail. Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda H. Gutierrez<mailto:lilacarlhg@amnet.co.cr> To: ohmiami@rootsweb.com<mailto:ohmiami@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [OHMIAMI] German immigrants Hi Joanne, The travel route from New York City to Piqua depends on several factors. Here I am including some general information along with an attempt to answer your question! *What time period did your ancestors immigrate to the US? The earlier they came, the possibilities are fewer. They could have traveled over land on the various "roads" of the time, but this was a very difficult and long journey. They would have had to purchase a wagon and mules in order to make this journey, so unless they had some money they could spare, this would not be the first choice. Many, many immigrants moved west by the waterways. If it was after 1825, they went up the Hudson River to the Erie Canal and traveled across New York State to Lake Erie. Here is a description that was posted on another mailing list of how one family traveled to St. Paul. It will give you some idea: The following account given by a man who traveled in 1849 from Augusta, Maine to St. Paul. It's not clear how far he took the 'steam car.': "...I started from Maine by the steam cars, taking them at Augusta....We went by boat to Boston, then by rail to the Erie Canal. We were ten days on a good clean canal boat and paid five dollars for board and our ticket. I don't remember how long we were on the lakes or what we paid, I should say two weeks. We landed at Chicago. It was an awful mud hole....A man was sending two wagons and teams to Galena, so I hired them...We bought tickets to St. Paul. Three of us took passage on the Yankee. She was really more of a freight than a passenger boat. She only made three trips to St. Paul that year...It was so cold the fifteenth day of October that the Captain was afraid that his boat would freeze in, so would go no further and dumped us in Stillwater... Source: The Project Gutenberg EBook of Old Rail Fence Corners, by Various This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.net<http://www.gutenberg.net/> Title: Old Rail Fence Corners The A. B. C's. of Minnesota History Author: Various Editor: Lucy Leavenworth Wilder Morris Release Date: July 30, 2007 [EBook #22179] Language: English Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 *** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK OLD RAIL FENCE CORNERS *** Produced by K Nordquist, Dave Morgan, Graeme Mackreth and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net<http://www.pgdp.net/> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22179/22179-h/22179-h.htm<http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22179/22179-h/22179-h.htm> As you can see, it is not a simple question and even this mode of travel required that the immigrant had a little money. Travel to Piqua could also have been on the canals that, as I understand it, no longer exist today. If they had sufficient funds and it was 1860 or after, they could have used the railroads or partly by rail and partly by water. *Did they have a large or small amount of money? As I have already mentioned, money was a huge factor in how they traveled. The more limited their funds, the more limited the possibilities and the longer the journey. By far the cheapest way to cross New York State was by water. *How many were in the traveling party? While we all know that many families moved to all parts of the US in various fashions during the 18th century, families with small children most likely chose methods of travel that would be the most congenial for their little ones - certainly a canal boat would have been easier than going overland and cheaper, too. If it was a small group of men - brothers, cousins, etc., it is possible they would have looked for a faster way to travel, but again, it would depend on the funds at their disposal. Of course they could have stopped along their way and worked at various jobs to earn more money and some of them did, but to know absolutely how YOUR ancestors arrived in Piqua would be impossible unless you found their diary or some other of their personal papers that told of this account. Despite the fact that many traveled the waterways, others the railways and still others by wagon, I think you will discover that there was still some uniqueness in how each immigrant or immigrant family arrived at their destination. As for a book on this subject, I really do not know of any one book that addresses this subject. You might try looking into what the Ohio libraries might have on this subject. I doubt you will find it in any one book. For example I am currently reading a book on the Erie Canal (in New York State) and it discusses how the immigrants traveled along the canal to their destinations and some about what their experiences might have been. Maps of the period in question will undoubtedly allow you to see the possibilities for travel. Probably the best source for this subject would be any personal accounts you might be able to find, most probably in the libraries or perhaps the Historical Societies. I would recommend asking the Flesh Public Library. The people there are very helpful and if they do not have anything that might provide the information, they probably would know if there is anywhere you could contact that might be able to help you. The e-book I referenced earlier ! in this post has some very interesting personal accounts that may give you some insight. I hope that this helps in some way. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/> Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/<http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/> ----- Original Message ----- From: j paymal To: OHMIAMI-L Sent: 23 February, 2008 12:31 AM Subject: [OHMIAMI] German immigrants I am sure someone can recommend a book that I might read to explain the path a new immigrant would travel from New York to Piqua, Ohio in 1853. Would this new immigrant need to have a sponsor if his passage was paid for by his native country? Recommendations appreciated--and thanks! Joanne Lang Paymal @ langsonly.com tdn-net.com/genealogy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHMIAMI-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:OHMIAMI-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message tdn-net.com/genealogy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHMIAMI-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:OHMIAMI-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know much about the Schmidlapp family history but have had some as friends. I do know MR. Schmidlapp became a wealthy man and I believe he made his money in New York. He donated the money for the first Piqua Library. You could get information on him at Flesh Public Library. Mr. Schmidlapp my have helped him get to Piqua. Jim Hartzell -----Original Message----- From: ohmiami-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohmiami-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of j paymal Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:53 PM To: ohmiami@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHMIAMI] German immigrants thank you Linda Gutierrez for your detailed reply. Don't know that my reply to questions asked will offer any more insight, but just in case.... Time period was 1853 Money he had must have been near nothing--the community paid his transport Have not been able to determine if a sister and her family came as well, but if so, the family history by mouth says they lost contact with each other If the community paid his expenses, I assume he was destitute, so how did he make connections? Have attempted to learn as much as possible on line before making a trip to Ohio so that I might have a clue as to where to look. But, so far no luck. The only hint I have found is that at one time he was listed in the census as with the Schmidlapp family. Thanks again for taking the time to answer in such detail. Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda H. Gutierrez<mailto:lilacarlhg@amnet.co.cr> To: ohmiami@rootsweb.com<mailto:ohmiami@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [OHMIAMI] German immigrants Hi Joanne, The travel route from New York City to Piqua depends on several factors. Here I am including some general information along with an attempt to answer your question! *What time period did your ancestors immigrate to the US? The earlier they came, the possibilities are fewer. They could have traveled over land on the various "roads" of the time, but this was a very difficult and long journey. They would have had to purchase a wagon and mules in order to make this journey, so unless they had some money they could spare, this would not be the first choice. Many, many immigrants moved west by the waterways. If it was after 1825, they went up the Hudson River to the Erie Canal and traveled across New York State to Lake Erie. Here is a description that was posted on another mailing list of how one family traveled to St. Paul. It will give you some idea: The following account given by a man who traveled in 1849 from Augusta, Maine to St. Paul. It's not clear how far he took the 'steam car.': "...I started from Maine by the steam cars, taking them at Augusta....We went by boat to Boston, then by rail to the Erie Canal. We were ten days on a good clean canal boat and paid five dollars for board and our ticket. I don't remember how long we were on the lakes or what we paid, I should say two weeks. We landed at Chicago. It was an awful mud hole....A man was sending two wagons and teams to Galena, so I hired them...We bought tickets to St. Paul. Three of us took passage on the Yankee. She was really more of a freight than a passenger boat. She only made three trips to St. Paul that year...It was so cold the fifteenth day of October that the Captain was afraid that his boat would freeze in, so would go no further and dumped us in Stillwater... Source: The Project Gutenberg EBook of Old Rail Fence Corners, by Various This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.net<http://www.gutenberg.net/> Title: Old Rail Fence Corners The A. B. C's. of Minnesota History Author: Various Editor: Lucy Leavenworth Wilder Morris Release Date: July 30, 2007 [EBook #22179] Language: English Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 *** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK OLD RAIL FENCE CORNERS *** Produced by K Nordquist, Dave Morgan, Graeme Mackreth and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net<http://www.pgdp.net/> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22179/22179-h/22179-h.htm<http://www.gutenber g.org/files/22179/22179-h/22179-h.htm> As you can see, it is not a simple question and even this mode of travel required that the immigrant had a little money. Travel to Piqua could also have been on the canals that, as I understand it, no longer exist today. If they had sufficient funds and it was 1860 or after, they could have used the railroads or partly by rail and partly by water. *Did they have a large or small amount of money? As I have already mentioned, money was a huge factor in how they traveled. The more limited their funds, the more limited the possibilities and the longer the journey. By far the cheapest way to cross New York State was by water. *How many were in the traveling party? While we all know that many families moved to all parts of the US in various fashions during the 18th century, families with small children most likely chose methods of travel that would be the most congenial for their little ones - certainly a canal boat would have been easier than going overland and cheaper, too. If it was a small group of men - brothers, cousins, etc., it is possible they would have looked for a faster way to travel, but again, it would depend on the funds at their disposal. Of course they could have stopped along their way and worked at various jobs to earn more money and some of them did, but to know absolutely how YOUR ancestors arrived in Piqua would be impossible unless you found their diary or some other of their personal papers that told of this account. Despite the fact that many traveled the waterways, others the railways and still others by wagon, I think you will discover that there was still some uniqueness in how each immigrant or immigrant family arrived at their destination. As for a book on this subject, I really do not know of any one book that addresses this subject. You might try looking into what the Ohio libraries might have on this subject. I doubt you will find it in any one book. For example I am currently reading a book on the Erie Canal (in New York State) and it discusses how the immigrants traveled along the canal to their destinations and some about what their experiences might have been. Maps of the period in question will undoubtedly allow you to see the possibilities for travel. Probably the best source for this subject would be any personal accounts you might be able to find, most probably in the libraries or perhaps the Historical Societies. I would recommend asking the Flesh Public Library. The people there are very helpful and if they do not have anything that might provide the information, they probably would know if there is anywhere you could contact that might be able to help you. The e-book I referenced earlie! r ! in this post has some very interesting personal accounts that may give you some insight. I hope that this helps in some way. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, NY Records and Family Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/<http://freepages.genealo gy.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/> Monroe County, NY History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~monroenys/<http://freepages.history.r ootsweb.com/~monroenys/> ----- Original Message ----- From: j paymal To: OHMIAMI-L Sent: 23 February, 2008 12:31 AM Subject: [OHMIAMI] German immigrants I am sure someone can recommend a book that I might read to explain the path a new immigrant would travel from New York to Piqua, Ohio in 1853. Would this new immigrant need to have a sponsor if his passage was paid for by his native country? Recommendations appreciated--and thanks! 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