This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bates, Reynolds Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HZB.2ACI/962.2.1 Message Board Post: The 1860 Whitesburg KY census of Letcher county has Martin V. "Bats" age 22 and his mother Sara "Bats" age 65 living near my Reynolds family. It is the only time I have seen the census taker write a weight for a resident. It says that Martin is a farmer and "ways 342 lbs". I believe The Bates name is misspelled as "Bats". I am sure this is probably your Martin Van Buren Bates and if so than the Nov 9 1837 date would fit his birthdate. Also I have seen several other sources site this same date. I have been interested in this family since my Great grandmother Rachel Lee married Henry C Bates (Martin's nephew... the son of James Bates and Elizabeth Adams). Henry C Bates was not Rachel's only husband however and Henry Bates is not my direct line. Also Martin's niece Drucilla Craft (dau of Martin Van Buren Bates sister, Martha Irby Bates) married Stephen N. Reynolds which is also my family. You will See Stephen and his wife Drucilla (both age 21) living with Stephen's parents...(Stephen's father Noah Milburn Reynolds who married Mary Chaney Stone) and they are all listed as a neighbor to this "Martin V Bats" in the 1860 Letcher KY Census. My direct line is the young boy Joseph C Reynolds age 12 also as Martin's neighbor in 1860 the other son of Noah and Mary Reynolds. Hope this helps. Good luck in your family searches!