Maureen, Regarding certified vs uncertified: It makes a difference depending upon which organization you are applying for. The DAR would never accept an uncertified copy, but most county First Family organizations do not make that requirement. Sue -- Sue Strick, Lorain County Coordinator for OHGenWeb Lorain County Genealogy Page, http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen L.C. Mailing List, http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen/mail.htm