Medical Information can be made private by not including them when you share your files with anyone. I personally find knowing the medical history of my family tree necessary even if there are cures. I feel a need to be sensitive to mental health issues too as people can't always help the way they are. Even if it can't be cured it can be controlled if people take the meds they are prescribed. A lot of genealogists find it fascinating to see the prevalence of certain health issued in family lines so why not include it if you want to? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. > > As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, > and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! > Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what > difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have > a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's > nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's > extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln > had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me > to know this? > > IMHO, > Patricia > > Karen Krugman <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny > you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption > file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, > as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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Sorry...I never meant to imply that my opinion was the only way to go. But I wouldn't suggest one get so involved with adoptees as to lose sight of the bloodline. As for mecical history, my paternal Grgf was 98-102 years old when he died. What's listed on the certificate? Old age, of course. My paternal Grgm died at 85 from "falling from a porch and breaking her hip". My mother died from complications from a fall in a bathroom. She was 81, and an 18 year survivor of breast cancer. I know from the just past generation that I have to have annual mamograms, and take calcium. I also look at my mom and think of all those years that she drank. Were her health problems related to that? Current research would say yes. Do I come from a line of "tough" farm girls, yes I do! My paternal Grgf's male children didn't live as long. Most were alcoholics, unfortunately, and died prior to 55 years. My father's heart literally burst! Only two sons, and one daughter lived any length of time. So even knowing all this hasn't really helped me much, but whatever works for an individual, should be what they do. I just want to be able to cross the Atlantic with my genealogy, and all the other permutations of relationships isn't going to help unfortunately. Just an opinion... Patricia Kathy Gies <katyquilts2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Medical Information can be made private by not including them when you share your files with anyone. I personally find knowing the medical history of my family tree necessary even if there are cures. I feel a need to be sensitive to mental health issues too as people can't always help the way they are. Even if it can't be cured it can be controlled if people take the meds they are prescribed. A lot of genealogists find it fascinating to see the prevalence of certain health issued in family lines so why not include it if you want to? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. > > As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, > and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! > Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what > difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have > a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's > nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's > extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln > had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me > to know this? > > IMHO, > Patricia > > Karen Krugman wrote: > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny > you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption > file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, > as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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