I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get the information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer that told me this or is this a state by state thing? cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. > > As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, > and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! > Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what > difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have > a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's > nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's > extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln > had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me > to know this? > > IMHO, > Patricia > > Karen Krugman <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny > you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption > file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, > as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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Cindy, Adoption records before 1964 were definitely sealed. However, sometime around the 1990's they opened them up - at least for a while. That's when I sent for mine. I don't know if they have been closed again or not. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >the > information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer > that told me this or is this a state by state thing? > cindy >

Adoption currently is open in Ohio. I know because I have family currently looking into adoption and have an adopted nephew and his adoption is open. Not so sure it's a good idea but that is the way it is for now. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Cindy, > > Adoption records before 1964 were definitely sealed. However, sometime > around the 1990's they opened them up - at least for a while. That's when > I > sent for mine. I don't know if they have been closed again or not. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >>I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >>the >> information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer >> that told me this or is this a state by state thing? >> cindy >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As far as I know, from my volunteer work with Lorain Domestic Relations Court, adoption in Lorain County, Ohio CAN be open if the parents who are adopting agree to it. They DON'T have to agree to it. Even if they agree to it, they can change their mind later without any court involvement or any explanations to anyone. Gayle -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Gies Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:32 PM To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question Adoption currently is open in Ohio. I know because I have family currently looking into adoption and have an adopted nephew and his adoption is open. Not so sure it's a good idea but that is the way it is for now. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Cindy, > > Adoption records before 1964 were definitely sealed. However, sometime > around the 1990's they opened them up - at least for a while. That's when > I > sent for mine. I don't know if they have been closed again or not. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >>I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >>the >> information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer >> that told me this or is this a state by state thing? >> cindy >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think they were sealed but if you prove to be a direct blood line to that ancestor you can see the files. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >the > information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer > that told me this or is this a state by state thing? > cindy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >>I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >>nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >>gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >>for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. >> >> As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, >> and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! >> Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what >> difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that >> have >> a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's >> nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's >> extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln >> had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me >> to know this? >> >> IMHO, >> Patricia >> >> Karen Krugman <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental >> health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died >> of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny >> you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything >> having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be >> closed forever! Bummer! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "re5212@aol.com" >> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >> >> >> My 2 cents on researching and adoption: >> >> My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care >> because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This >> was >> in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, >> so >> he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and >> she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became >> reacquainted >> with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually >> remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all >> knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked >> more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we >> called him Uncle. >> >> We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws >> can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives >> Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists >> for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the >> backstroke >> across the Atlantic ! >> >> In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb >> site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption >> records ! >> >> All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an >> adoption >> file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. >> >> Richelle >> Parma, OH >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net >> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >> >> My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is >> adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my >> opinion, >> it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I >> have >> cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, >> and I >> tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in >> case the >> adoptees were looking for realatives. >> >> In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to >> trace, >> as >> she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, >> and >> lived in a farming community. >> >> Best regards, >> Patricia Daly >> >> >> >> MScheffler wrote: >> Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive >> parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on >> any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy >> program may have a way to include two sets of parents. >> >> You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to >> mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You >> might >> at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the >> area >> where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems >> realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the >> birth >> parents might be. >> >> Margaret Scheffler >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM >> Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >> >> >>> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >>> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >>> note >>> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >>> here >>> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >>> his >>> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >>> >>> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >>> >>> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >>> uncle >>> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >>> in >>> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >>> so my >>> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >>> so >>> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >>> >>> Alice >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Check out the new AOL. 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Richard, Its a state by state thing i believe, but my "brother's" record would have been created 1950-1952. Richard Chafin <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> wrote: I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get the information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer that told me this or is this a state by state thing? cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. > > As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, > and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! > Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what > difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have > a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's > nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's > extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln > had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me > to know this? > > IMHO, > Patricia > > Karen Krugman wrote: > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny > you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption > file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, > as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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