I am not so sure about not seeing the file. A few years ago I tried to see the file of my husband's Grandfather in Ohio. I was told that my hubby could see and have a photo copy of the file but had to prove direct blood lineage to do so. I'll have to find my supporting info and see who my contact was. We did find out though the Grandfather was not adopted legally so there were no records to see. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Krugman" <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. > Funny you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" <re5212@aol.com> > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an > adoption file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to > trace, as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, > and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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That is one of the "problems" with that kind of reaearch. My aunt was not the only lady that I heard of being "given away." I had some very dear friends in PA, who were of my mom's generation, who acquired a child like this. I don't want to say it was a common practice, but I haven't heard anything like that going on today. I think people might have been more casual about things back then, and not so much with paperwork! Patricia Kathy Gies <katyquilts2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I am not so sure about not seeing the file. A few years ago I tried to see the file of my husband's Grandfather in Ohio. I was told that my hubby could see and have a photo copy of the file but had to prove direct blood lineage to do so. I'll have to find my supporting info and see who my contact was. We did find out though the Grandfather was not adopted legally so there were no records to see. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Krugman" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. > Funny you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an > adoption file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to > trace, as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, > and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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