Hi Alice, Thank you for your nice comment about our family story. It is the family stories that keep me involved in genealogy, not the names and dates. However, I'm tremendously grateful to our meticulous, gifted family historians who've had the patience to get the details straight. We've had family reunions for more than a hundred years and in 2003 had a national reunion celebrating the 250th anniversary of our Deeg/Dage/Dague ancestors' immigration to America. The organizers asked me to write an article promoting the reunion. Probably my depiction of our ancestors' journey from Germany to America was too loosey goosey for the purists among our family historians. But I wanted to put a human face on our ancestors and wrote from what I believed could have been their personal perspective. There's a place for that kind of writing of family history, but it needs to be coupled with facts. It draws people to the humanity of our ancestors. It's not possible, though, without the meticulous efforts of our family historians who've patiently researched the facts. Alice, I loved your story about the woman who was able to visit the cottage in Ireland where her ancestors had lived! And how wonderful, that you are able to daily use cooking utensils that belonged to your gg grandmother and your grandmother. How I envy your living in a place where a three and a half mile commute can seems too long. I live in metro Atlanta. That's probably enough of an explanation for my envy. Do you live in Lorain Co.? It's my fault -- I had a choice to stay there after college, but had to do a little exploring and never got back home! Those of you who stayed have a sense of continuity and rootedness that we can never regain. Happy New Year to everyone! Cathy -- Alikat42@aol.com wrote: That was really interesting, altho I am not related to you, I still could picture your gg grandparents in a buggy, plodding along to church -- WOW -- 13 miles! I complained this July when my boss moved our office -- I had been driving only 1.5 miles to work (and in a car, not a buggy) and she moved the office to a nice newer place but I am now driving 3.5 miles. Makes me look like a wimp! :-) As I read about our ancestors, I wonder how they managed to live day- to-day. It had to be really tough without running water and flush plumbing and central heating. I was watching a program on PBS about England and it changing back and forth from Catholic to Protestant 3 times in a 10 year period. As my g grandmother's people were from England and she was a Methodist Episopal, I am assuming they came to escape persecution. The German ancestors (Dad's side) came in the 17 and 18'oos and were all Lutheran. This makes me wish I'd paid more attention in History classes in school. A few years ago I read about a woman who went to Ireland and was able to stand in her many times great grandma's kitchen thanks to the man who presently owned the cottage. I was reduced to tears reading her story. It had to be a goosebump feeling to be standing in an ancestor's home! I have a spoon that belonged to my gg and several that belonged to my grandma -- I use them every day. Yes, they are old and only silver plate, but I love them. It gives me a "closeness" to them. have a wonderful day everyone! Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd

Kathy, Would appreciate seeing the photos of that church as well. Thank you for your offer. Nancy Meyers

This recent post to the list was a real teaser for historians: February 4th, 1910 Longmont Ledger Boulder Co Colorado..."Uncle John" Ramsey, 119 years old, thought to have been the oldest person in Ohio, died near Elyria January 27th. Ramsey was a slave & escaped 40 years before the Civil War to Oberlin."... Please be advised that there is a wonderful photo of RAMSEY with lots of biographical info (& speculations) on pages 171-174 of THEY STOPPED IN OBERLIN written by William E. Bigglestone, of Oberlin College, published in 1981. All the larger libraries in the county have a copy of this book. Nancy Meyers

Hi Shirley, I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the area, and I see she has contacted you. Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was turned around in my directions and missed it. Good luck in your search for information and cousins! Cathy -- Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly earlier. The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the 1920's and into 1930's. I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in LaGrange in the 1880s. Any insite into these families would be great! Thanks Shirley "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: Hi Shirley, I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? Cathy -- Shirley Hunt wrote: This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to these families? Shirley Hunt "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you sent. Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address privately. Cathy -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer and on the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a tragedy. My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the church. 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The Palm Sunday Story April 11, 1965 Written by Tom Reaugh Edited by Sam Lashley/Todd Holsten Go to the noaa website for pictures and story -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:55 AM To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Palm Sunday Tornado Hi Cathy, I'd love to have a copy of that article. Do you know how I might obtain it? Thanks, Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: Hi Cheryl, Thank you for suggesting that possibility, but the farm was still there after the tornado. I felt so bad to hear what your friend Judy and her family went through during the tornado. I am so sorry that her father died and hope very much that her mother recovered from her injuries. What a wonderful story about Judy's dog pulling her out of the rubble! Think the tornado leveled Pittsfield, but I don't know how much damage there was in Penfield. I was in my early twenties and living in California when we heard the tornado was heading your way. Tried all night long to call my family in Wellington, but couldn't get through. The Los Angeles Times carried the story of the tornado on the front page. The writer included in that front-page article the name of every victim in far-away Ohio. Although, I didn't know anyone personally, many of the family names were familiar to me. Cathy -- "Cheryl Bakker" wrote: Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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1924 June 28, Lorain, Sandusky, Ohio: tornado swept through cities, causing 85 deaths. -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:50 AM To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Palm Sunday Tornado Hi Cathy, I'll call the Lorain County Historical Society...and let you know what happens. Thanks. Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: Hi Patricia, I'm sorry; I don't have it. Was in my early twenties then and didn't have enough sense to save such things. Just now tried to Google it, but it's hard to find newspaper articles that old. Probably the victims' names would be important to you, and I tried to Google for them, too. So far, no luck and I have to leave for a vet appt. and some other errands. Will try again later, and maybe you'd like to, also. Good luck! Cathy -- Patricia wrote: Hi Cathy, I'd love to have a copy of that article. Do you know how I might obtain it? Thanks, Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: Hi Cheryl, Thank you for suggesting that possibility, but the farm was still there after the tornado. I felt so bad to hear what your friend Judy and her family went through during the tornado. I am so sorry that her father died and hope very much that her mother recovered from her injuries. What a wonderful story about Judy's dog pulling her out of the rubble! Think the tornado leveled Pittsfield, but I don't know how much damage there was in Penfield. I was in my early twenties and living in California when we heard the tornado was heading your way. Tried all night long to call my family in Wellington, but couldn't get through. The Los Angeles Times carried the story of the tornado on the front page. The writer included in that front-page article the name of every victim in far-away Ohio. Although, I didn't know anyone personally, many of the family names were familiar to me. Cathy -- "Cheryl Bakker" wrote: Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Kathy, thank you so much for that web address and for your kindness in offering to photograph the ruins of Black River COB! I appreciate your offer so much and hope the church isn't far from where you live. I know Carole Schetter, our northern Ohio family historian, would also be grateful to have a copy of that e-mailed photo. Thank you again, Kathy! I so much appreciate your going out of your way to do that! Cathy ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd

I found the info I needed. I don't believe any of our family was there at the time. Thanks, Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: Hi Patricia, I'm sorry; I don't have it. Was in my early twenties then and didn't have enough sense to save such things. Just now tried to Google it, but it's hard to find newspaper articles that old. Probably the victims' names would be important to you, and I tried to Google for them, too. So far, no luck and I have to leave for a vet appt. and some other errands. Will try again later, and maybe you'd like to, also. Good luck! Cathy -- Patricia wrote: Hi Cathy, I'd love to have a copy of that article. Do you know how I might obtain it? Thanks, Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: Hi Cheryl, Thank you for suggesting that possibility, but the farm was still there after the tornado. I felt so bad to hear what your friend Judy and her family went through during the tornado. I am so sorry that her father died and hope very much that her mother recovered from her injuries. What a wonderful story about Judy's dog pulling her out of the rubble! Think the tornado leveled Pittsfield, but I don't know how much damage there was in Penfield. I was in my early twenties and living in California when we heard the tornado was heading your way. Tried all night long to call my family in Wellington, but couldn't get through. The Los Angeles Times carried the story of the tornado on the front page. The writer included in that front-page article the name of every victim in far-away Ohio. Although, I didn't know anyone personally, many of the family names were familiar to me. Cathy -- "Cheryl Bakker" wrote: Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: <martin.abba@juno.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hi Cathy, I'll call the Lorain County Historical Society...and let you know what happens. Thanks. Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: Hi Patricia, I'm sorry; I don't have it. Was in my early twenties then and didn't have enough sense to save such things. Just now tried to Google it, but it's hard to find newspaper articles that old. Probably the victims' names would be important to you, and I tried to Google for them, too. So far, no luck and I have to leave for a vet appt. and some other errands. Will try again later, and maybe you'd like to, also. Good luck! Cathy -- Patricia wrote: Hi Cathy, I'd love to have a copy of that article. Do you know how I might obtain it? Thanks, Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: Hi Cheryl, Thank you for suggesting that possibility, but the farm was still there after the tornado. I felt so bad to hear what your friend Judy and her family went through during the tornado. I am so sorry that her father died and hope very much that her mother recovered from her injuries. What a wonderful story about Judy's dog pulling her out of the rubble! Think the tornado leveled Pittsfield, but I don't know how much damage there was in Penfield. I was in my early twenties and living in California when we heard the tornado was heading your way. Tried all night long to call my family in Wellington, but couldn't get through. The Los Angeles Times carried the story of the tornado on the front page. The writer included in that front-page article the name of every victim in far-away Ohio. Although, I didn't know anyone personally, many of the family names were familiar to me. Cathy -- "Cheryl Bakker" wrote: Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hello Patricia I was born in 1942 --yegads -- I will be 65 in April and wonder why this old lady follows me around looking in the mirror when I do. :-) Alice

You're in good company Alice, she's in my mirror too! Even though I "intend to fight her in every way" like the Olay commercials say, she "gets me" while I sleep. I've tried staying awake all night, but I'm too old for that!!! :- { Alikat42@aol.com wrote: Hello Patricia I was born in 1942 --yegads -- I will be 65 in April and wonder why this old lady follows me around looking in the mirror when I do. :-) Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cathy, I'd love to have a copy of that article. Do you know how I might obtain it? Thanks, Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: Hi Cheryl, Thank you for suggesting that possibility, but the farm was still there after the tornado. I felt so bad to hear what your friend Judy and her family went through during the tornado. I am so sorry that her father died and hope very much that her mother recovered from her injuries. What a wonderful story about Judy's dog pulling her out of the rubble! Think the tornado leveled Pittsfield, but I don't know how much damage there was in Penfield. I was in my early twenties and living in California when we heard the tornado was heading your way. Tried all night long to call my family in Wellington, but couldn't get through. The Los Angeles Times carried the story of the tornado on the front page. The writer included in that front-page article the name of every victim in far-away Ohio. Although, I didn't know anyone personally, many of the family names were familiar to me. Cathy -- "Cheryl Bakker" wrote: Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hi Cheryl, Not sure if it was Penfield also, but it was Pittsfiled, Lorain, OH. I remember this, because my dad looked at the TV and said "That's where my family is from." Since no one spoke too much about my dad's family (Irish brothers who didn't get along, oh shock, surprise!), this comment stuck with me since that day. I was 11 years old. I tell you this because when I decided to start researching my genealogy, this was the comment that allowed me to locate my great-grandfather, Lawrence Daly, out of all the other LDs out there, and it also helped me find living relatives!!! One never knows what's going to help in one's search, so it's always good to "start in your head" remembering anything that could be a clue! As it was, my family, at least the branch from which I sprung, stayed in OH, mostly Lorain County, and my husband and I are still raising a family in Cleveland, myself!!!! My daughter moved back from Boston and has a career here too. Best Regards, and Happy New Year to you also. Patricia Cheryl Bakker <bchef@xtalwind.net> wrote: Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thank you for the information. I did know that married women were their husbands "property" and that if they ran off because they were beaten, he could hunt them down and bring them back home. What a horrid way to live. Alice

That was really interesting, altho I am not related to you, I still could picture your gg grandparents in a buggy, plodding along to church -- WOW -- 13 miles! I complained this July when my boss moved our office -- I had been driving only 1.5 miles to work (and in a car, not a buggy) and she moved the office to a nice newer place but I am now driving 3.5 miles. Makes me look like a wimp! :-) As I read about our ancestors, I wonder how they managed to live day-to-day. It had to be really tough without running water and flush plumbing and central heating. I was watching a program on PBS about England and it changing back and forth from Catholic to Protestant 3 times in a 10 year period. As my g grandmother's people were from England and she was a Methodist Episopal, I am assuming they came to escape persecution. The German ancestors (Dad's side) came in the 17 and 18'oos and were all Lutheran. This makes me wish I'd paid more attention in History classes in school. A few years ago I read about a woman who went to Ireland and was able to stand in her many times great grandma's kitchen thanks to the man who presently owned the cottage. I was reduced to tears reading her story. It had to be a goosebump feeling to be standing in an ancestor's home! I have a spoon that belonged to my gg and several that belonged to my grandma -- I use them every day. Yes, they are old and only silver plate, but I love them. It gives me a "closeness" to them. have a wonderful day everyone! Alice

I agree. Grateful to be born in 1950s! Patricia Alikat42@aol.com wrote: Thank you for the information. I did know that married women were their husbands "property" and that if they ran off because they were beaten, he could hunt them down and bring them back home. What a horrid way to live. Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley, Took that spelling because the Penfield plat map lists B.F.BOICE as owning 144 acres just west of the Phil E. BOBEL farm. I see that your Myron BOISE & his wife are buried in Greenwood Cem. I do own the Greenwood Cem. book if you need any additional info from it, but of course you probably have seen all the LC materials at the OGS library in Mansfield. Chuck & Linda(WAITE)BOISE also attended the same Penfield Church. They sang for many years in a quartet called "SECOND CHANCE" along with the Gordon PERKINS and his late wife Sheryl. The info in Wright's 1916 2 volume History of LC has the lineage of L.S. & Chester BOISE etc. Philip BOBAL (per the 1880 indexer) appears to have lived on lot 56 or 57 of the eastern Browhnhelm Twp. line in that census. Have to get ready now for our retirees get together this evening. We are watching the big OSU game tonight. All finger foods thank goodness! TTYL Nancy

Hi Shirley, I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? Cathy -- Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to these families? Shirley Hunt "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you sent. Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address privately. Cathy -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer and on the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a tragedy. My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the church. Carole Schetter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ __ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc? s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p d ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Shirley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd

Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you sent. Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address privately. Cathy -- "Carole J. Schetter" <cjviking@comcast.net> wrote: There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer and on the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a tragedy. My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the church. Carole Schetter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd