Nance, That was one of the strangest things that I saw in Grafton during the cleanup -- pieces of straw driven, like nails, into the tree trunks. Shreds of curtain fabric draped on branches like someone's idea of a bad TP Party. Baby carriages in treetops. After that, I used to go into near-panic whenever there was a tornado siren. Living in hurricane-prone Florida has helped "numb" me a little, except a few years ago when we had 4 go through. Thankfully, all were near-misses for my family, but others didn't fare as well. It is good for us to share our memories. My mom remembered the tornado in the 20's, and shared with me how she and her siblings were almost some of the casualties -- they were either on their way or had just left the movie theater that was so heavily damaged. Mom and Dad are both deceased, so I'm grateful that they shared their experiences with me while they could. A lot of those things have gone into memory books for each of my three (grown) children. They aren't very interested in genealogy, but are curious about what their ancestors' lives were like. They can relate better to that. And - they'll have to put all of their books together one day to get the full picture, because each one tells a different part of the story! Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: <N7BPRODUCE@aol.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > we had that storm hit North Toledo badly. I was carrying my oldest son > then. > the area that was hit was close to the Michigan State line. WHen we > moved > out here dad had bo ught this h o use and one of our doors was from a > house > that was destroyed in the tornado and the door had a hole in the middle > where a piece of straw go through it. > Nance > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Patricia, No, I lived in Lorain and graduated from Admiral King in 66. But I knew a lot of people from all over the county because of being in 4-H, Jr. Leadership, and on the Jr. Fair Board. Many of the names I've forgotten - talk about senior moments! :~) I've been away from Lorain County since the late 60's, and only back briefly since. Now I live in Florida, and haven't had an opportunity to go "home" in 14 years. But I'm hoping that will change this year. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia LeConte" <mleconte@tampabay.rr.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Cheryl - did you go to Keystone H.S.? I remember that tornado - I was > a Senior at KHS in 65 and your name sounds familiar... I also remember > school buses collecting students who wanted to help clean the fields as > it was just before planting time. We had no school for a couple of > days. The tornado went just past a friend's house on Diagonal Rd. and > wiped out their neighbor's home, but didn't touch theirs. > Pat > On Tuesday, January 9, 2007, at 08:21 AM, Cheryl Bakker wrote: > >> Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the >> hits by >> the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and >> my 4-H >> club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in >> Grafton, but >> my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they >> the >> same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was >> killed, >> mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. >> All that >> was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more >> than >> that, but it could be why things don't look the same. >> >> Cheryl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <martin.abba@juno.com> >> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM >> Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren >> >> >>> Hi Shirley, >>> >>> I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the >>> late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It >>> sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on >>> Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably >>> not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that >>> others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who >>> lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the >>> area, and I see she has contacted you. >>> >>> Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in >>> Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. >>> In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg >>> grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a >>> few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was >>> turned around in my directions and missed it. >>> >>> Good luck in your search for information and cousins! >>> >>> Cathy >>> >>> >>> -- Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived >>> on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his >>> family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly >>> earlier. >>> The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived >>> on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? >>> My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother >>> Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the >>> 1920's and into 1930's. >>> I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in >>> LaGrange in the 1880s. >>> Any insite into these families would be great! >>> Thanks >>> Shirley >>> >>> "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: >>> Hi Shirley, >>> >>> I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? >>> Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? >>> >>> Cathy >>> >>> -- Shirley Hunt wrote: >>> This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. >>> I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, >>> Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to >>> these families? >>> Shirley Hunt >>> >>> "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: >>> Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you >>> sent. >>> Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't >>> know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of >>> my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). >>> In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much >>> like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called >>> German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches >>> and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong >>> emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg >>> grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen >>> miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot >>> of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy >>> wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg >>> grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of >>> cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen >>> children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially >>> on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. >>> Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and >>> lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had >>> come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had >>> pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became >>> Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- >>> all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine >>> area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From >>> Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. >>> >>> Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I >>> learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in >>> VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our >>> Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would >>> probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address >>> privately. >>> >>> Cathy >>> >>> -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: >>> There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer >>> and on >>> the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a >>> tragedy. >>> My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the >>> church. >>> >>> Carole Schetter >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> __ >>> FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com >>> Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! >>> http://track.juno.com/s/lc? >>> s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p >>> d >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? 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we had that storm hit North Toledo badly. I was carrying my oldest son then. the area that was hit was close to the Michigan State line. WHen we moved out here dad had bo ught this h o use and one of our doors was from a house that was destroyed in the tornado and the door had a hole in the middle where a piece of straw go through it. Nance

Cheryl - did you go to Keystone H.S.? I remember that tornado - I was a Senior at KHS in 65 and your name sounds familiar... I also remember school buses collecting students who wanted to help clean the fields as it was just before planting time. We had no school for a couple of days. The tornado went just past a friend's house on Diagonal Rd. and wiped out their neighbor's home, but didn't touch theirs. Pat On Tuesday, January 9, 2007, at 08:21 AM, Cheryl Bakker wrote: > Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the > hits by > the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and > my 4-H > club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in > Grafton, but > my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they > the > same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was > killed, > mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. > All that > was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more > than > that, but it could be why things don't look the same. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <martin.abba@juno.com> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > > >> Hi Shirley, >> >> I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the >> late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It >> sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on >> Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably >> not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that >> others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who >> lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the >> area, and I see she has contacted you. >> >> Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in >> Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. >> In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg >> grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a >> few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was >> turned around in my directions and missed it. >> >> Good luck in your search for information and cousins! >> >> Cathy >> >> >> -- Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: >> My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived >> on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his >> family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly >> earlier. >> The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived >> on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? >> My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother >> Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the >> 1920's and into 1930's. >> I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in >> LaGrange in the 1880s. >> Any insite into these families would be great! >> Thanks >> Shirley >> >> "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: >> Hi Shirley, >> >> I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? >> Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? >> >> Cathy >> >> -- Shirley Hunt wrote: >> This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. >> I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, >> Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to >> these families? >> Shirley Hunt >> >> "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: >> Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you >> sent. >> Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't >> know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of >> my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). >> In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much >> like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called >> German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches >> and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong >> emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg >> grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen >> miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot >> of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy >> wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg >> grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of >> cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen >> children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially >> on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. >> Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and >> lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had >> come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had >> pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became >> Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- >> all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine >> area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From >> Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. >> >> Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I >> learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in >> VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our >> Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would >> probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address >> privately. >> >> Cathy >> >> -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: >> There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer >> and on >> the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a >> tragedy. >> My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the >> church. >> >> Carole Schetter >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> __ >> FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com >> Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! >> http://track.juno.com/s/lc? >> s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p >> d >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Shirley >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? 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Sue, I have several pictures on this list, but the email address listed for me is outdated. How can I get this changed, since I no longer have the address listed? Shirley Sue Strick <sstrick@centurytel.net> wrote: Hi Lorain County Researchers, I thought you might be interested on this link. Our good friend, Gary Good, has submitted several images to this site. If you have digital images we would hope you would contribute them. Also, we have many pictures on our website as well. See Ancestral Images of Lorain County, Ohio /Pictures of the Lorain County area and it's people: images of obituaries, headstones, weddings, anniversaries etc. Send your own scanned images to share.* Sue -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [OHFAIRFI] I would like to call your attention to.... Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 08:04:01 -0500 From: Connie Hitchings Reply-To: ohfairfi@rootsweb.com To: I would like to call your attention to the Ohio Gravestone Photo Project and ask you to help participate in its growth as it will only grow with everyone's involvement. This site is a wonderful way to preserve the headstones of our ancestors. With the advent of time and weather and vandalism, our headstones are disappearing at an alarming rate. We need to work on preserving a digital image of our family stones as a fitting tribute to our ancestors. You can never have the names of those you are researching in too many places. The more exposure the more likely you are to find others researching the same line. They may have the answer to your brickwall. The site is relatively new and at the present time there are few pictures for Fairfield County posted. There are other sites online for tombstone pictures but none as easy to submit to as Ohiogravestones.org and there are NO flashing, popping or moving ads to have to contend with. You put the pictures on there yourself, you don't have to wait for others to do it for you. They should be up on the site and viewable within 24 hours. Additionally there is no cost to the contributor or those looking for tombstones of their ancestors, hard to find in this day and age where everything costs something. Particularly valuable are those very old headstone photos that you have in grandmas photo album. Scan them into your computer and add them to the site as they may be the only testament to your ancestors life. This would be a great place as backup storage in case of a computer crash or fire. I have everything saved on CDs but they are stored here at home. The address for the site is: Ohiogravestones.org If you have any questions, please feel free to email me. Let's see if we can't make this a great source for Fairfield Co., Ohio researchers and a way to remember our ancestors. Thank you very much! Connie Hitchings Fairfield County Ohio Gravestones Project Coordinator -- Sue Strick, Lorain County Coordinator for OHGenWeb Lorain County Genealogy Page, http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/ L.C. Mailing List, http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/mail.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Shirley --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

Alice, Just remember, he is in the same boat, headed the same direction as we all are. He doesn't know what will happen to him, but if he doesn't die, he will get old too! You and I won't be around when it happens to him perhaps, but we can dream------. So, hang in there and don't let it get you down. Shirley Alikat42@aol.com wrote: Hello Virginia, I guess I feel like an old lady....I work with a "kid" at work who just turned 39. He has two college degrees as he keeps telling everyone how intelligent he is and tells me "you're old, you don't like change, you're a pack rat" -- when I call him on it he says "I'm kidding". I told him that if I didn't believe Jesus saying to "sue no man at law, if a man takes you to court for your coat give him your cloak also" that I could sue him for harassment, age discrimination, and making a hostile work environment. I have been at my job since Maundy Thursday of 1988 and ran it myself 98% of the time. The owner would come in one or two days a month to pay bills. All of a sudden, this "kid" who used to assemble our product on nites and weekends, lost his 4th or 5th job since I've known him. He has been looking for a job since March and goes on interviews but doesn't get hired. If he treats others as he did me most of the summer, I can see why. The owner and her husband think he is gold! My mom used to say something to the effect that the Christ will uncover the truth -- or nothing can be hid from the Christ. I keep praying to love him as God loves him and Jesus tells us to love one another, but at times I feel like giving him an "attitude adjustment" with my stapler by conking him on the head! I won't do it, 'cause I was raised better, but boy, oh, boy, sometimes I wanted to just clock him. The funny thing is, he does favors for me and we do get along a lot of the time. A friend said that he lacks confidence and feels better by bringing someone else down. Well, I guess when you hear "you're old, you're old" enough, you begin to believe it. Thanks for the advice and reminding me I am NOT the oldest person in America! :-) A dear friend of my Mom's will be 91 or 92 the end of February and you'd never know it. I tell her she has a better social life than I do. :-) I told "the kid" at work that I have never told anyone they were old in my life...that my Mom raised me with manners and taught me to be kind to others. His mom watched soap operas all the time while raising her 5 kids and never let them watch Sesame street and other good kid shows. I told him it sounded like his mom was selfish. (then I felt bad for saying it) Again, Virginia, thanks for the kind words. Have a wonderful 2007! Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Shirley --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!

Dear Virginia, Thanks a lot for your perspective on the aging process. I was just joking around, sort of to make Alice laugh, and she also was writing in a light-hearted manner. I mentioned that I was 11 years old in 1965, and Alice came back with the comment about her age, and then I made a joke about "the old lady in the mirror" that follows me around too! I don't really think that I'm old; my husband and I are still raising our 14 year old son, and I thank God for those glorious days, also. Believe me when I tell you that if someone says I'm getting old, I always respond with "it's better than the alternative!"; which of course is not being around to get old! It's good to remember that our messages were being read by the whole board. My best wishes on your genealogical search. It doesn't matter how old one is when one starts the search, it's the search that counts. I started my search in earnest about 3 years ago when my mother died. I'm an only child who never knew much about the DALY family. I can't believe that I come from 2 families whose roots go back about 400 years on the BLACKBURN side, and 200 years on the DALY side! That is awesome!!! My husband's grandparents go back 100 years, and 150 years, and a lot of my friends are only 3rd generation Americans. I do have one lady friend who's a Mayflower descendant. I'm hoping that my husband and I have long lives ahead of ourselves. Both his grandfathers reached the mature ages of 85 and 95, respectively. My Grgf DALY was 98 when he died, and his wife was 85. Two of my cousins are in their 90s. My mom was 81, as was my husband's dad when they passed away. So I'm not planning on departing this earth for some time, and I plan to enjoy it while I'm here. Again, thanks so much for your thoughts on the aging process! Best Regards, Patricia VIRGINIA VENTRONE <vmv636@msn.com> wrote: Alice,& Pat, This is Virginia & I just had to put my 2 cent's in . You both sound like to old ladies. Your young and got a lot of life a head of you. enjoy it. Wait till you get my age I will be 75 in March. I in joy every day & wish my day's can be longer. Every time I look out the window and see the pretty blue sky I thank the Lord for a beauty full day. Enjoy your age and you would have a lot more. Right now the last few years I been doing my family tree on the computer and I feel that I'M DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT AT MY AGE. Sorry I'm not to good at typing, Have a Good Night Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Naturalization and Women You're in good company Alice, she's in my mirror too! Even though I "intend to fight her in every way" like the Olay commercials say, she "gets me" while I sleep. I've tried staying awake all night, but I'm too old for that!!! :- { Alikat42@aol.com wrote: Hello Patricia I was born in 1942 --yegads -- I will be 65 in April and wonder why this old lady follows me around looking in the mirror when I do. :-) Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Virginia, Thanks a lot for your perspective on the aging process. For I was just joking around, sort of to make Alice laugh, and she was writing in a light-hearted manner. I mentioned that I was 11 years old in 1965, and Alice came back with the comment about her age, and then I made a joke about "the old lady in the mirror" that follows me around too! I don't really think that I'm old; my husband and I are still raising our 14 year old son, and I thank God for those glorious days, also. Believe me when I tell you that if someone says I'm getting old, I always respond with "it's better than the alternative!"; which of course is not being around to get old! It's good to remember that our messages were being read by the whole board. My best wishes on your genealogical search. It doesn't matter how old one is when one starts the search, it's the search that counts. I started my search in earnest about 3 years ago when my mother died. I'm an only child who never knew much about the DALY family. I can't believe that I come from 2 families whose roots go back about 400 years on the BLACKBURN side, and 200 years on the DALY side! That is awesome!!! My husband's grandparents go back 100 years, and 150 years, and a lot of my friends are only 3rd generation Americans. I do have one lady friend who's a Mayflower descendant. I'm hoping that my husband and I have long lives ahead of ourselves. Both his grandfathers reached the mature ages of 85 and 95, respectively. My Grgf DALY was 98 when he died, and his wife was 85. My mom was 81, as was my husband's dad. So I'm not planning on departing this earth for some time, and I plan to enjoy it while I'm here. Again, thanks so much for your thoughts on the aging process! Best Regards, Patricia VIRGINIA VENTRONE <vmv636@msn.com> wrote: Alice,& Pat, This is Virginia & I just had to put my 2 cent's in . You both sound like to old ladies. Your young and got a lot of life a head of you. enjoy it. Wait till you get my age I will be 75 in March. I in joy every day & wish my day's can be longer. Every time I look out the window and see the pretty blue sky I thank the Lord for a beauty full day. Enjoy your age and you would have a lot more. Right now the last few years I been doing my family tree on the computer and I feel that I'M DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT AT MY AGE. Sorry I'm not to good at typing, Have a Good Night Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Naturalization and Women You're in good company Alice, she's in my mirror too! Even though I "intend to fight her in every way" like the Olay commercials say, she "gets me" while I sleep. I've tried staying awake all night, but I'm too old for that!!! :- { Alikat42@aol.com wrote: Hello Patricia I was born in 1942 --yegads -- I will be 65 in April and wonder why this old lady follows me around looking in the mirror when I do. :-) Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Virginia, I guess I feel like an old lady....I work with a "kid" at work who just turned 39. He has two college degrees as he keeps telling everyone how intelligent he is and tells me "you're old, you don't like change, you're a pack rat" -- when I call him on it he says "I'm kidding". I told him that if I didn't believe Jesus saying to "sue no man at law, if a man takes you to court for your coat give him your cloak also" that I could sue him for harassment, age discrimination, and making a hostile work environment. I have been at my job since Maundy Thursday of 1988 and ran it myself 98% of the time. The owner would come in one or two days a month to pay bills. All of a sudden, this "kid" who used to assemble our product on nites and weekends, lost his 4th or 5th job since I've known him. He has been looking for a job since March and goes on interviews but doesn't get hired. If he treats others as he did me most of the summer, I can see why. The owner and her husband think he is gold! My mom used to say something to the effect that the Christ will uncover the truth -- or nothing can be hid from the Christ. I keep praying to love him as God loves him and Jesus tells us to love one another, but at times I feel like giving him an "attitude adjustment" with my stapler by conking him on the head! I won't do it, 'cause I was raised better, but boy, oh, boy, sometimes I wanted to just clock him. The funny thing is, he does favors for me and we do get along a lot of the time. A friend said that he lacks confidence and feels better by bringing someone else down. Well, I guess when you hear "you're old, you're old" enough, you begin to believe it. Thanks for the advice and reminding me I am NOT the oldest person in America! :-) A dear friend of my Mom's will be 91 or 92 the end of February and you'd never know it. I tell her she has a better social life than I do. :-) I told "the kid" at work that I have never told anyone they were old in my life...that my Mom raised me with manners and taught me to be kind to others. His mom watched soap operas all the time while raising her 5 kids and never let them watch Sesame street and other good kid shows. I told him it sounded like his mom was selfish. (then I felt bad for saying it) Again, Virginia, thanks for the kind words. Have a wonderful 2007! Alice

Alice,& Pat, This is Virginia & I just had to put my 2 cent's in . You both sound like to old ladies. Your young and got a lot of life a head of you. enjoy it. Wait till you get my age I will be 75 in March. I in joy every day & wish my day's can be longer. Every time I look out the window and see the pretty blue sky I thank the Lord for a beauty full day. Enjoy your age and you would have a lot more. Right now the last few years I been doing my family tree on the computer and I feel that I'M DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT AT MY AGE. Sorry I'm not to good at typing, Have a Good Night Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia<mailto:pdz99@sbcglobal.net> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com<mailto:ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Naturalization and Women You're in good company Alice, she's in my mirror too! Even though I "intend to fight her in every way" like the Olay commercials say, she "gets me" while I sleep. I've tried staying awake all night, but I'm too old for that!!! :- { Alikat42@aol.com<mailto:Alikat42@aol.com> wrote: Hello Patricia I was born in 1942 --yegads -- I will be 65 in April and wonder why this old lady follows me around looking in the mirror when I do. :-) Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lorain County Researchers, I thought you might be interested on this link. Our good friend, Gary Good, has submitted several images to this site. If you have digital images we would hope you would contribute them. Also, we have many pictures on our website as well. See Ancestral Images of Lorain County, Ohio <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eohlorain/pictures/index.htm> /Pictures of the Lorain County area and it's people: images of obituaries, headstones, weddings, anniversaries etc. Send your own scanned images to share.* Sue -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [OHFAIRFI] I would like to call your attention to.... Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 08:04:01 -0500 From: Connie Hitchings <conniehitchings@earthlink.net> Reply-To: ohfairfi@rootsweb.com To: <OHFAIRFI@rootsweb.com> I would like to call your attention to the Ohio Gravestone Photo Project and ask you to help participate in its growth as it will only grow with everyone's involvement. This site is a wonderful way to preserve the headstones of our ancestors. With the advent of time and weather and vandalism, our headstones are disappearing at an alarming rate. We need to work on preserving a digital image of our family stones as a fitting tribute to our ancestors. You can never have the names of those you are researching in too many places. The more exposure the more likely you are to find others researching the same line. They may have the answer to your brickwall. The site is relatively new and at the present time there are few pictures for Fairfield County posted. There are other sites online for tombstone pictures but none as easy to submit to as Ohiogravestones.org and there are NO flashing, popping or moving ads to have to contend with. You put the pictures on there yourself, you don't have to wait for others to do it for you. They should be up on the site and viewable within 24 hours. Additionally there is no cost to the contributor or those looking for tombstones of their ancestors, hard to find in this day and age where everything costs something. Particularly valuable are those very old headstone photos that you have in grandmas photo album. Scan them into your computer and add them to the site as they may be the only testament to your ancestors life. This would be a great place as backup storage in case of a computer crash or fire. I have everything saved on CDs but they are stored here at home. The address for the site is: Ohiogravestones.org If you have any questions, please feel free to email me. Let's see if we can't make this a great source for Fairfield Co., Ohio researchers and a way to remember our ancestors. Thank you very much! Connie Hitchings Fairfield County Ohio Gravestones Project Coordinator -- Sue Strick, Lorain County Coordinator for OHGenWeb Lorain County Genealogy Page, http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/ L.C. Mailing List, http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/mail.htm

My Dad (born May 11, 1900) told me that when he was a young man (could have been 1924) he and a friend (sorry, Dad died in 1984 and I don't know if he ever told me the friend's name) were working on a house. The wife and baby were inside and they yelled at her to go to the cellar. After the tornado cleared out, Dad said they checked on the woman and baby...all four were ok. Dad said that he never got over the sight of seeing the chimney lying in the baby crib -- it had crashed through the roof and just filled up the crib. Freaky! After that, whenever a storm or tornado warning was announced, I would always get into a closet away from the fireplace chimney and the furnace flue chimney. Call me paranoid, but it always kept me safe. I lived in a ranch house after he told me (maybe in 1977) and didn't have a basement, so the bathroom closet seemed the safest place to be. I'd take a battery operated radio and a flashlight and a book with me just in case the power went out. I would also pray a lot! Alice

you have me LOL Patricia !

Hi Cheryl and Cathy, WOW! I was 23 on that Palm Sunday and at a dance with my cousin in the basement of a big old church in Lakewood, OH. We didn't have a clue that it was storming until we came outside after the dance was over. I had forgotten all about it until I read your messages. As I got closer to home (my parents had moved to Strongsville by that time), I noticed trees down and branches down....heard on the car radio what had happened. My cousin had left for Elyria as that is where she lived. She got home ok...my Aunts and Uncles and other cousins who also lived in Elyria were all ok. I am sorry for your friend losing her Dad...that is tragic. I think a woman and a baby were killed in Strongsville that Sunday in the "Atlantic allotment" (between Westwood, Prospect and Royalton Roads) Alice

Hello Cathy, I love family stories...mine and others...they are interesting. I visited a friend in Atlanta back in 1973 (whenever "Underground" was still open) and hated the traffic. "Underground" was fun...lots of bars and entertainment.I don't like the interstate and will go 20 minutes out of my way to avoid them! Maybe it has something to do with my age...when I learned to drive, there weren't very many highways. The Ohio Turnpike was built when I was a teenager and I was 22 or 23 when I-71 North was started. I live in Brunswick, Medina County but grew up in Berea (Cuyahoga county). My Dad's family is from Elyria which is why I originally signed onto ohLorain -- I luckily met a cousin who I didn't even know I had. She has traced the family tree back 7 generations into Germany on my Dad's dad's side....still don't know much about his Mom's family. Maybe when I retire I can spend more time. I thought I was 100% German on his side...come to find out, from another cousin who found me using snail mail, his mother's mother's maiden name was McGuire! Not too German, eh? My Mom's people are all English..one fought in the Revolutionary war..YES on our side! :-) (one of my friends asked me that and I LOL) You have warmer weather in Atlanta than here in Northern Ohio, although this winter has been more than decent. Only snowed once so far, which is how I like it. Alice

Hi Cathy, You are absolutely right - it was Pittsfield, not Penfield. I've been away from the area for many years, and I forget the many little towns. Just for fun one day, I mapped out some of the areas where my friends had farms, and pulled up the ariel view. Couldn't recognize the areas any longer. Too many new homes and/or roads where once there were cow pastures. It made me sad. Thanks for the response! Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: <martin.abba@juno.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Palm Sunday Tornado > Hi Cheryl, > > Thank you for suggesting that possibility, but the farm was still > there after the tornado. I felt so bad to hear what your friend Judy > and her family went through during the tornado. I am so sorry that > her father died and hope very much that her mother recovered from her > injuries. What a wonderful story about Judy's dog pulling her out of > the rubble! > > Think the tornado leveled Pittsfield, but I don't know how much > damage there was in Penfield. I was in my early twenties and living > in California when we heard the tornado was heading your way. Tried > all night long to call my family in Wellington, but couldn't get > through. The Los Angeles Times carried the story of the tornado on > the front page. The writer included in that front-page article the > name of every victim in far-away Ohio. Although, I didn't know > anyone personally, many of the family names were familiar to me. > > Cathy > > -- "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> wrote: > Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the > hits by > the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and > my 4-H > club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in > Grafton, but > my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are > they the > same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was > killed, > mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. > All that > was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any > more than > that, but it could be why things don't look the same. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <martin.abba@juno.com> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > > >> Hi Shirley, >> >> I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the >> late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It >> sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on >> Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably >> not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much > that >> others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who >> lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the >> area, and I see she has contacted you. >> >> Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in >> Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. >> In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg >> grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a >> few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was >> turned around in my directions and missed it. >> >> Good luck in your search for information and cousins! >> >> Cathy >> >> >> -- Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: >> My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip > lived >> on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and > his >> family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly >> earlier. >> The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived >> on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? >> My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother >> Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in > the >> 1920's and into 1930's. >> I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in >> LaGrange in the 1880s. >> Any insite into these families would be great! >> Thanks >> Shirley >> >> "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: >> Hi Shirley, >> >> I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? >> Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? >> >> Cathy >> >> -- Shirley Hunt wrote: >> This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. >> I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, >> Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to >> these families? >> Shirley Hunt >> >> "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: >> Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you >> sent. >> Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't >> know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of >> my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). >> In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much >> like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called >> German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches >> and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong >> emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg >> grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen >> miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a > lot >> of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy >> wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg >> grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of >> cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen >> children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially >> on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. >> Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and >> lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had >> come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had >> pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became >> Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- >> all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine >> area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From >> Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. >> >> Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I >> learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in >> VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our >> Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would >> probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address >> privately. >> >> Cathy >> >> -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: >> There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer >> and on >> the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." 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Yes Nancy I will send them to you. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Meyers" <nmeyers34@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Black River COB > Kathy, > Would appreciate seeing the photos of that church as > well. Thank you for your offer. > Nancy Meyers > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You are very welcome, Cathy. Photos have been taken. Good thing I went yesterday when it was warmer, a little sunny and no snow. This church is ten minutes from my home. I will send you the photos also but have to download them from my camera yet and make sure they are good enough quality to send you. Found out the congregation is now holding services at the Community Church in Chatham, Medina Co., OH, about 5 (maybe a little less) miles north of the fire site. My friend is a current member of the Brethren Church and I will find more info from her on the progress of any future building plans. Yes I am sending the photos to Carole. If anyone else on the list wants photos of this church please let me know via this list. Kathy Gies ----- Original Message ----- From: <martin.abba@juno.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Kathy: OHLORAIN] Black River Church of the Brethren > Kathy, thank you so much for that web address and for your kindness > in offering to photograph the ruins of Black River COB! I appreciate > your offer so much and hope the church isn't far from where you live. > I know Carole Schetter, our northern Ohio family historian, would > also be grateful to have a copy of that e-mailed photo. > > Thank you again, Kathy! I so much appreciate your going out of your > way to do that! > > Cathy > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Patricia, I'm sorry; I don't have it. Was in my early twenties then and didn't have enough sense to save such things. Just now tried to Google it, but it's hard to find newspaper articles that old. Probably the victims' names would be important to you, and I tried to Google for them, too. So far, no luck and I have to leave for a vet appt. and some other errands. Will try again later, and maybe you'd like to, also. Good luck! Cathy -- Patricia <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi Cathy, I'd love to have a copy of that article. Do you know how I might obtain it? Thanks, Patricia "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: Hi Cheryl, Thank you for suggesting that possibility, but the farm was still there after the tornado. I felt so bad to hear what your friend Judy and her family went through during the tornado. I am so sorry that her father died and hope very much that her mother recovered from her injuries. What a wonderful story about Judy's dog pulling her out of the rubble! Think the tornado leveled Pittsfield, but I don't know how much damage there was in Penfield. I was in my early twenties and living in California when we heard the tornado was heading your way. Tried all night long to call my family in Wellington, but couldn't get through. The Los Angeles Times carried the story of the tornado on the front page. The writer included in that front-page article the name of every victim in far-away Ohio. Although, I didn't know anyone personally, many of the family names were familiar to me. Cathy -- "Cheryl Bakker" wrote: Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hi Cheryl, Thank you for suggesting that possibility, but the farm was still there after the tornado. I felt so bad to hear what your friend Judy and her family went through during the tornado. I am so sorry that her father died and hope very much that her mother recovered from her injuries. What a wonderful story about Judy's dog pulling her out of the rubble! Think the tornado leveled Pittsfield, but I don't know how much damage there was in Penfield. I was in my early twenties and living in California when we heard the tornado was heading your way. Tried all night long to call my family in Wellington, but couldn't get through. The Los Angeles Times carried the story of the tornado on the front page. The writer included in that front-page article the name of every victim in far-away Ohio. Although, I didn't know anyone personally, many of the family names were familiar to me. Cathy -- "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> wrote: Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the hits by the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and my 4-H club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in Grafton, but my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are they the same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was killed, mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. All that was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any more than that, but it could be why things don't look the same. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: <martin.abba@juno.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > Hi Shirley, > > I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the > late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It > sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on > Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably > not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much that > others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who > lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the > area, and I see she has contacted you. > > Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in > Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. > In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg > grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a > few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was > turned around in my directions and missed it. > > Good luck in your search for information and cousins! > > Cathy > > > -- Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip lived > on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and his > family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly > earlier. > The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived > on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? > My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother > Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in the > 1920's and into 1930's. > I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in > LaGrange in the 1880s. > Any insite into these families would be great! > Thanks > Shirley > > "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: > Hi Shirley, > > I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? > Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? > > Cathy > > -- Shirley Hunt wrote: > This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. > I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, > Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to > these families? > Shirley Hunt > > "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: > Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you > sent. > Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't > know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of > my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). > In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much > like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called > German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches > and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong > emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg > grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen > miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a lot > of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy > wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg > grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of > cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen > children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially > on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. > Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and > lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had > come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had > pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became > Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- > all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine > area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From > Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. > > Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I > learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in > VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our > Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would > probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address > privately. > > Cathy > > -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: > There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer > and on > the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." What a > tragedy. > My ancestor, John Willis White was one of the founders of the > church. > > Carole Schetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com > Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! > http://track.juno.com/s/lc? > s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.p > d > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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