Sorry...I never meant to imply that my opinion was the only way to go. But I wouldn't suggest one get so involved with adoptees as to lose sight of the bloodline. As for mecical history, my paternal Grgf was 98-102 years old when he died. What's listed on the certificate? Old age, of course. My paternal Grgm died at 85 from "falling from a porch and breaking her hip". My mother died from complications from a fall in a bathroom. She was 81, and an 18 year survivor of breast cancer. I know from the just past generation that I have to have annual mamograms, and take calcium. I also look at my mom and think of all those years that she drank. Were her health problems related to that? Current research would say yes. Do I come from a line of "tough" farm girls, yes I do! My paternal Grgf's male children didn't live as long. Most were alcoholics, unfortunately, and died prior to 55 years. My father's heart literally burst! Only two sons, and one daughter lived any length of time. So even knowing all this hasn't really helped me much, but whatever works for an individual, should be what they do. I just want to be able to cross the Atlantic with my genealogy, and all the other permutations of relationships isn't going to help unfortunately. Just an opinion... Patricia Kathy Gies <katyquilts2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Medical Information can be made private by not including them when you share your files with anyone. I personally find knowing the medical history of my family tree necessary even if there are cures. I feel a need to be sensitive to mental health issues too as people can't always help the way they are. Even if it can't be cured it can be controlled if people take the meds they are prescribed. A lot of genealogists find it fascinating to see the prevalence of certain health issued in family lines so why not include it if you want to? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. > > As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, > and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! > Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what > difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have > a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's > nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's > extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln > had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me > to know this? > > IMHO, > Patricia > > Karen Krugman wrote: > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny > you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption > file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, > as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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August 21, 1868 Rocky Mountain News, Colorado OFFICIAl LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES PASSED AT THE SECOND SESSION OF THE FORTIETH CONGRESS An act to authorize the construction of a bridge over the Black River in Lorain County, Ohio. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that it shall be lawful that the county commissioners of the county of Lorain and State of Ohio to build a bridge across the Black River, near the village of Black River in said county, at the point where the county road leading east from said village crosses said stream; Provided that there shall be placed in said bridge, a draw of not less than one hundred and forty feet in width with a center abutment, not to exceed twenty five feet wide and ten feet above the water line, leaving a passage on each side of the abutment of not less than fifty seven feet in width and so constructed as not to impede the navigation of said river, and allow the easy passage of vessels through said bridge. Sec. 2- And be it further enacted, that the right to alter or amend this act, so as to prevent or remove all material obstructions to the navigation of said river by the construction of said bridge is hereby expressly reserved. Approved July 6, 1868. December 9, 1921- Akron Weekly Pioneer Press (Akron, Washington County, Colorado) BULL ATTACKS FIRE TRUCK Enraged Animal Makes Up For Lack of Excitement at Lorain Ohio Blaze Lorain, Ohio; - Bulls and Fire trucks, they'll never be companions. Members of number 1 fire company firmly believe this following the outfits act in colliding with a perfectly husky bull while running to a fire. Members of the company didn't investigate the extent of the animals injuries for the simple reason that Mr. Bull, enraged at the fiery red that adorns the fire fighting apparatus, plunged toward the truck. Assistant Fire Chief, Jack Hart, riding on the rear of the truck, didn't hesitate to order Leo Billings, driver, to make it snappy. Billings obeyed. After following the truck for 100 feet, the bull dipped sand with his tail and went through the usual bullish antics. The fireman avoided the bull lane on the return trip to the station.

the year of that tornado, we were living in a mobile home and BOB had left for work. I figured it was just a bad storm with hail I was acared and hid under bed till the storm was over. can you imagine someone 8 months pregnant undr a bed? after It was over, my dad was at the door. took me to their house. we went by the funeral home. no roof. the gas station a half block away was gone. and we were 3 miles from the worse part where there no houses left. I didn't have our tv on or radio I had been reading when the storm hit. I didnt even know that a tornado hit the Point Place part of Toledo near the Michigan line. Now I am scared every time we get lightning. I head for basement. I am glad we got this h ouse. I couldn t have stood it if we dindt have a basement to go to. Nance

Just my thoughts.... As I do my family history I always have a medical dictionary at my desk. When I get a death record in and it tells me a cause of death, I try to look it up and understand exactly what it was that caused the death. I believe that tracking ones family medical history is just as important as understanding and tracing ones "family" history. My husbands family has six documented generations of prostate cancer, each time when not caught "becoming" bone cancer. Because of this "tracking" my husbands Dr. knows to keep an eye out for the "signs" that indicate this condition is present. When I found that George had died in 1855 and I found his "diagnosis" listed in the newspaper account of his death, it made me want to know more. It wasn't so much that I "needed" to know, I wanted to know. I've seen babies deaths attributed to teething. Women going thru menopause at one point were often declared insane and placed in facilities. Was George really insane or were there other "symptons" or behaviours to say differently? Call it curiousity but with the history of depression I've seen in a few of my lines I have to wonder. Maybe he was just depressed? Maybe I am just more curious than most genealogists... Guess I'll always wonder was it really teething that baby died of or was there something else going on? Guess we'll never really know will we? Doesn't mean we can't ask or wonder. Cure or no cure, Stigma or not, I'd want people to know if it was my records. I'd want them to be aware that its something they may have to deal with in the future, life offers no certainty, but having some idea what may be down the road certainly doesn't hurt. Some genetic disorders appear once and are not seen in a line again. Others like cancer and other diseases have a habit of making themselves known over and over and those who come after us have a right to know. Was the definition of insanity in 1855 different than it is today? I'm sure it was. But for now, GGGgrandfather George's records will remain sealed by the state of Ohio and I will continue on with my research. Maybe I'll never know the answers to those questions, but at least George will know I tried! Karen ----- Original Message ---- From: Patricia <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51:25 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me to know this? IMHO, Patricia Karen Krugman <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be closed forever! Bummer! ----- Original Message ---- From: "re5212@aol.com" To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My 2 cents on researching and adoption: My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we called him Uncle. We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke across the Atlantic ! In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption records ! All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. Richelle Parma, OH -----Original Message----- From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and lived in a farming community. Best regards, Patricia Daly MScheffler wrote: Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy program may have a way to include two sets of parents. You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth parents might be. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the > original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than > note > "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came > here > from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > his > name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > > No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > > I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > uncle > was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > in > downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > so my > grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > so > I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > > Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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I had a similar situation, my husbands "aunt" lived with his uncles for most of her life. I found that she was buried with the same last name as them. What I found was that she was a cousin, daughter to a brother of my husbands grandfather. Of course this was not easy and I am guessing it took me about a year. I still work full time and can only devote part time to my research. But I went to the cemetery, got dates. I look in the census reports for all the people in that area with the same last name. It was a struggle and I almost gave up because there was another girl with the same name different age in the reports. I had to put it away and go back to it because it was so frustrating. Look in family Bibles, that may also give you a clue as to when the child was added to the family or maybe even a place they were from. Sometimes there are clues that are right there and not seen because you are not really looking for that particular thing when you saw it. Did your Aunt go by the same last name as you grandfather? Barbara -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:44 AM To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and lived in a farming community. Best regards, Patricia Daly MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy program may have a way to include two sets of parents. You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth parents might be. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find > the original family or just not do anything on the chart about it > other than note "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's > mother, Mary, came here > from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > his > name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > > No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > > I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > uncle > was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > in > downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > so my > grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > so > I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > > Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My aunt's still alive, God bless her, she's 91, and yes she did use the family name. She appears on a Census as a 14 year old, and she's about 9 years older than my mother. It's not really important to me to know her "adoptive" history as she always told the story that she overheard my Gf tell someone, when they asked if she was adopted, "it doesn't make any difference how she got here, she's my daughter!" My aunt always told this story with a tear in her eye, and a smile in her heart! Now I figure this memory is so precious to her, that it's not up to me to violate it. But thanks so much for the suggestion, Barbara. I do appreciate it! Regards, Patricia "Seville, Barbara A." <barbara.seville@us.army.mil> wrote: I had a similar situation, my husbands "aunt" lived with his uncles for most of her life. I found that she was buried with the same last name as them. What I found was that she was a cousin, daughter to a brother of my husbands grandfather. Of course this was not easy and I am guessing it took me about a year. I still work full time and can only devote part time to my research. But I went to the cemetery, got dates. I look in the census reports for all the people in that area with the same last name. It was a struggle and I almost gave up because there was another girl with the same name different age in the reports. I had to put it away and go back to it because it was so frustrating. Look in family Bibles, that may also give you a clue as to when the child was added to the family or maybe even a place they were from. Sometimes there are clues that are right there and not seen because you are not really looking for that particular thing when you saw it. Did your Aunt go by the same last name as you grandfather? Barbara -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:44 AM To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and lived in a farming community. Best regards, Patricia Daly MScheffler wrote: Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy program may have a way to include two sets of parents. You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth parents might be. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find > the original family or just not do anything on the chart about it > other than note "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's > mother, Mary, came here > from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > his > name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > > No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > > I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > uncle > was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > in > downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > so my > grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > so > I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > > Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me to know this? IMHO, Patricia Karen Krugman <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be closed forever! Bummer! ----- Original Message ---- From: "re5212@aol.com" To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My 2 cents on researching and adoption: My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we called him Uncle. We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke across the Atlantic ! In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption records ! All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. Richelle Parma, OH -----Original Message----- From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and lived in a farming community. Best regards, Patricia Daly MScheffler wrote: Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy program may have a way to include two sets of parents. You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth parents might be. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the > original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than > note > "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came > here > from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > his > name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > > No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > > I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > uncle > was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > in > downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > so my > grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > so > I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > > Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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My 2 cents on researching and adoption: My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we called him Uncle. We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke across the Atlantic ! In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption records ! All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. Richelle Parma, OH -----Original Message----- From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and lived in a farming community. Best regards, Patricia Daly MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy program may have a way to include two sets of parents. You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth parents might be. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the > original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than > note > "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came > here > from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > his > name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > > No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > > I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > uncle > was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > in > downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > so my > grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > so > I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > > Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Cheryl - I also was in 4H in Lorain County - with the LaGrange group - no livestock - just sewing and cooking. I also live in Florida ( can't say it is an improvement..). I was back in Lorain Co. (Elyria) about 3 years ago - MANY changes! But I loved the help from the Library personnel and the Court House - can't say as the people here are as cooperative and willing to help. Good luck with your searches! On Wednesday, January 10, 2007, at 01:14 PM, Cheryl Bakker wrote: > Patricia, > No, I lived in Lorain and graduated from Admiral King in 66. But I > knew a > lot of people from all over the county because of being in 4-H, Jr. > Leadership, and on the Jr. Fair Board. Many of the names I've > forgotten - > talk about senior moments! :~) > > I've been away from Lorain County since the late 60's, and only back > briefly > since. Now I live in Florida, and haven't had an opportunity to go > "home" in > 14 years. But I'm hoping that will change this year. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia LeConte" <mleconte@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren > > >> Cheryl - did you go to Keystone H.S.? I remember that tornado - I was >> a Senior at KHS in 65 and your name sounds familiar... I also remember >> school buses collecting students who wanted to help clean the fields >> as >> it was just before planting time. We had no school for a couple of >> days. The tornado went just past a friend's house on Diagonal Rd. and >> wiped out their neighbor's home, but didn't touch theirs. >> Pat >> On Tuesday, January 9, 2007, at 08:21 AM, Cheryl Bakker wrote: >> >>> Just a thought about Penfield -- wasn't that the site of one of the >>> hits by >>> the Palm Sunday tornado back around 1965? I was in high school, and >>> my 4-H >>> club volunteered to help with the cleanup. We were helping in >>> Grafton, but >>> my friend Judy lived in Penfield (or maybe Penfield Juction - are >>> they >>> the >>> same?), I believe. (Having a brain-freeze here!) Her father was >>> killed, >>> mother severely injured, and her dog pulled her out of the rubble. >>> All that >>> was left standing for miles was the statue. I can't remember any >>> more >>> than >>> that, but it could be why things don't look the same. >>> >>> Cheryl >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <martin.abba@juno.com> >>> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:15 AM >>> Subject: [OHLORAIN] To Shirley: Black River Church of the Brethren >>> >>> >>>> Hi Shirley, >>>> >>>> I think my gg grandparents lived on Smith Rd. in Penfield from the >>>> late 1840s until their deaths just a few weeks apart in 1903. It >>>> sounds as if your family's farm was very near Penfield Cemetery on >>>> Rt. 18 where my gg grandparents are buried, but they were probably >>>> not alive by the time your family lived there. I hope very much >>>> that >>>> others will have information about your family. Nancy Myers, who >>>> lived in Penfield for awhile, has a wealth of information about the >>>> area, and I see she has contacted you. >>>> >>>> Every generation of our family since my ggg grandmother is buried in >>>> Penfield Cemetery. We just buried our mother there 15 months ago. >>>> In the 70's we got to see the farm in Penfield where our gg >>>> grandparents raised their thirteen children. I tried to find it a >>>> few years ago, but couldn't. Don't know if it's gone or if I was >>>> turned around in my directions and missed it. >>>> >>>> Good luck in your search for information and cousins! >>>> >>>> Cathy >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> My grandfather's sister Eliza Gow Bobel and her husband Phillip >>>> lived >>>> on Route 18 on a farm about a mile east of Rt 301. Their son and >>>> his >>>> family also lived on that farm during the 1940's and 50's possibly >>>> earlier. >>>> The William Phelps Boise (wife Lydia Loring Severcool) family lived >>>> on Jones road (I think) in the 1880's? >>>> My grandfather Earl C. Gow (wife Josephine Boise) and his brother >>>> Walter lived on farms about a mile south of LaGrange on Rt.301 in >>>> the >>>> 1920's and into 1930's. >>>> I am not sure about the Opfer family, other than them being in >>>> LaGrange in the 1880s. >>>> Any insite into these families would be great! >>>> Thanks >>>> Shirley >>>> >>>> "martin.abba@juno.com" <martin.abba@juno.com> wrote: >>>> Hi Shirley, >>>> >>>> I don't know of any connections to these families. Do you, Carole? >>>> Shirley, when did they live in Penfield? >>>> >>>> Cathy >>>> >>>> -- Shirley Hunt wrote: >>>> This is such a sad story to hear about the fire. >>>> I have a lot of ties to the Penfield area with surnames Bobel, >>>> Boise, Gow, Opfer, and Severcool. Does anyone have connections to >>>> these families? >>>> Shirley Hunt >>>> >>>> "martin.abba@juno.com" wrote: >>>> Thank you, Carole and thank you Jane Cahl for the articles you >>>> sent. >>>> Jane is one of my Amherst classmates and, for those of you who don't >>>> know, Carole is my third cousin once removed. We have old photos of >>>> my gg grandparents and ggg grandparents (Carole's gg grandparents). >>>> In the photos, our ancestors are dressed in Brethren garb very much >>>> like the Amish. At that time, Church of the Brethren was called >>>> German Baptist Brethren. It is one of three historic peace churches >>>> and, like the Amish, they believe in living simply with strong >>>> emphasis on community. Once I clocked the distance from my gg >>>> grandparents' farm in Penfield to the church in Chatham. Thirteen >>>> miles -- quite a distance to go by buggy and the Brethren spent a >>>> lot >>>> of time in church! I've wondered how they managed -- one buggy >>>> wouldn't have been enough for the thirteen children in my gg >>>> grandparents' family (it's easy to see why Carole and I have lots of >>>> cousins in Lorain, Medina and Wayne Counties)! Those thirteen >>>> children must have very sleepy on the buggy rides home -- especially >>>> on the days the Brethren had their love feasts after their services. >>>> Carole's great grandfather and my gg grandfather were brothers and >>>> lived and worked together on adjoining farms in Penfield. They had >>>> come from Wayne County where our Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors had >>>> pioneered. The Neff side of our family were Mennonites who became >>>> Brethren and married into the Lutheran Dague side of our family -- >>>> all becoming Brethren. The Neffs were Swiss who moved to the Rhine >>>> area of Germany, probably because of religious persecution. From >>>> Germany, they immigrated to Philadelphia in 1717. >>>> >>>> Carole, would you like me to send you the articles that Jane sent? I >>>> learned of the fire from John Shafer, member of a Brethren church in >>>> VA. We had corresponded years ago because of his relationship to our >>>> Neff/Schweinhardt family. As one of our family historians, you would >>>> probably like to be in touch with him. I will send you his address >>>> privately. >>>> >>>> Cathy >>>> >>>> -- "Carole J. Schetter" wrote: >>>> There is information on the Christmas Eve fire in the Plain Dealer >>>> and on >>>> the Brethren Daily News list. I found them by "googling." 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Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy program may have a way to include two sets of parents. You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth parents might be. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: <Alikat42@aol.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the > original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than > note > "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came > here > from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > his > name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > > No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > > I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > uncle > was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > in > downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > so my > grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > so > I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > > Alice

As for obtaining adoption info, it took me years of red tape and writing, 1960-1967, to get my Mother's adoption information. She was born 1914,in Detroit, to a bigamist father and then adopted by a step-father in Macomb County MI in 1923. My grandmother, who was still an alien, was promptly divorced by him when she refused to try to adopt or even care for her new three young step-children, twin girls aged 10 & a boy age 5. After that marriage ended, my mother simply began using her own mother's maiden name and a year later used the surname of her next-father. All in all, my mother had used nine surnames in her lifetime. I do have in my possession now, both her original and the amended birth certificate after her adoption. Since state laws are all different and have changed thru the years, it really makes research difficult, sometimes impossible in the area of adoption. I try to research both the biological & adoptive lines. Often they ended up being related in someway. Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/ RAOGK Volunteer http://www.raogk.org/

My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than note "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came here from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but his name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. No one is left alive who knows any more than this. I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my uncle was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store in downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free so my grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 so I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. Alice

Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be closed forever! Bummer! ----- Original Message ---- From: "re5212@aol.com" <re5212@aol.com> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My 2 cents on researching and adoption: My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we called him Uncle. We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke across the Atlantic ! In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption records ! All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. Richelle Parma, OH -----Original Message----- From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and lived in a farming community. Best regards, Patricia Daly MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy program may have a way to include two sets of parents. You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth parents might be. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the > original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than > note > "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came > here > from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > his > name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > > No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > > I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > uncle > was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > in > downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > so my > grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > so > I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > > Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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Cheryl, Was your 4-H group the LaGrange Sodbusters by any chance? Some of my younger children belonged to that particular group, also a 4-H horse club. One of the Sodbusters co-leaders lived kitty-corner from us on south Whitehead Rd. Please read today's obit of Mrs. Josephine Martin at http://www.chroniclet.com/obits.html you may see some recognizable LaGrange names there. Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/ RAOGK Volunteer http://www.raogk.org/

My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and lived in a farming community. Best regards, Patricia Daly MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy program may have a way to include two sets of parents. You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth parents might be. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the > original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than > note > "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came > here > from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > his > name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > > No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > > I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > uncle > was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > in > downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > so my > grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > so > I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > > Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Shirley. I was always taught to respect my elders. If I am having trouble figuring out what to do, I ask my two 90+ friends -- I figure they have probably run across someone going thru the same thing and being older than I, have gained a lot more information. They always come up with a good idea - or several. Alice

Hello Tom and God Bless You!! I don't know how we got along without the internet. When faxes first came on the market, I thought they were the "end all be all" of technology. Computers blow me away. Alice

Ann, Your email... "...Lorain County Ada (I think Administration Book A) page 203 has information possibly pertaining to Sheldon Bradley. The information is on microfilm. A query sent to the County was returned because they could not find anything in the index for an estate being filed in his name and would not search further. Could you look that up?"... That particular estate information is on page 203 for a Seldon Bradley in Erie County, NOT in Lorain County. This is indexed in "To Ohio Wills & Estates To 1850" by Carol Bell, 1981. Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/ RAOGK Volunteer http://www.raogk.org/

Hi, Well, I'm 90 and still getting up every morning and glad to be alive. I also work on my computer every day as I do more research on my families. I've been working on my computer since 1983 when the first Commodore computers came out. It's a pleasure to read what people are doing and how they are researching their roots and shoots. This Email is a great thing for us genealogists as it replaces writing a letter and waiting for days and sometimes weeks to get an answer. All the material that is out there on the Internet is great. Sure beats driving somewhere and spending hours trying to get information from other sources. At my age I can't do all that and now I can do it from home on my computer with help from other nice people who want to help others in their research. It's a great time to be alive!!! Tom Powell In a message dated 1/10/2007 9:14:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com writes: VIRGINIA VENTRONE <vmv636@msn.com> wrote: Alice,& Pat, This is Virginia & I just had to put my 2 cent's in . You both sound like to old ladies. Your young and got a lot of life a head of you. enjoy it. Wait till you get my age I will be 75 in March. I in joy every day & wish my day's can be longer. Every time I look out the window and see the pretty blue sky I thank the Lord for a beauty full day. Enjoy your age and you would have a lot more. Right now the last few years I been doing my family tree on the computer and I feel that I'M DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT AT MY AGE. Sorry I'm not to good at typing, Have a Good Night Virginia

Yes Tom, it is so great to be alive! You always had such a great and helpful attitude. Those are wonderful qualities that have no age limits. You, privately & graciously, helped me with my concerns of selecting the right equipment and gave me a lot of information on the best way to convert old VHS tapes to DVD's. My oral histories, family reunions, weddings, graduations and even funerals will be so important to my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Please allow me to thank you openly on this list for your help. It is amazing how mellow we can become and just how much insight we can gain about our ancestors way of life,and their concerns, as the decades go flying by us? Some days, research is the only thing that keeps me plugging along. Sure wished that you lived closer. Your Lorain friend, Nancy Meyers