Patricia, Am glad to get this persons full name. I will correct his name in my Elmwood Cemetery burial card database. The burial cards show: Moore, Cermie age 67; buried 4-8-1943, born OH, died Elyria, resided in Elyria. Lot 5024, map page 12. Moore, Minnie M age 74; buried 7-17-1946, born MI, resided Elyria. Lot 5024, map page 12. Please note, these are not death dates but the burial dates. I can tell you from Elyria deaths database, that Cennie was born Feb. 7, 1876 in Avon Lake, Lorain Co. OH and died April 6, 1943 in Elyria. His home was at 572 Cleveland St. Elyria at the time. Before moving to Elyria, he lived and framed out on Murray Ridge Rd. Alas, there are no markers or numbers at Elmwood to give anyone a since of direction. There are cemetery maps at the city hall and at the cem office. Over six years ago, I had a map made for myself, about $75.00, plus S&H, then had it laminated. BTW, the burial cards do not indicate if there are any grave markers/tombstones at burial sites. To find your lot 5024: 1- drive along North Ridge road at the cemetery. This road runs somewhat at an angle. 2- enter the next cemetery driveway that is east of the center drive. (The center drive is the one going directly up to the chapel but is unmarked) 3- You now will be heading north on this drive. 4- Be looking on the west side (your left side) the Lot 5024 should be about 1/3 of the way, on the left, before you get to the next drive that crosses your drive. This is as close as I am able to direct you via this email system. Good luck. Let me know if you locate it. Hoping everyone knows N,S,W,E directions. --- Patricia Strebig <pstrebig@eriecoast.com> wrote: > I am looking for the burial site for the wife of > Wilbur Centennial Moore (Cennie). He died 1943 and > is buried in Elmwood. > If his wife Minnie is buried there I need her dates. > She was born abt 1870 and died after him. > Patricia Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/ RAOGK Volunteer http://www.raogk.org/

Can someone do a marriage lookup in Lorain area for me? I am looking for a marriage of a William Warren Buttermore and Hettie/Bertha Pickering. He was living in Lorain in 1900 unmarried on the Census and a daughter Pearl Buttermore was born about 1901. I have seen him called Warry Buttermore at times too. I don't have anything on when Pearl was born excpet for the about 1901 based on 1910 Census. If you can help with this lookup please email me. Thank You. Ryan --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

Richard, Its a state by state thing i believe, but my "brother's" record would have been created 1950-1952. Richard Chafin <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> wrote: I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get the information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer that told me this or is this a state by state thing? cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. > > As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, > and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! > Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what > difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have > a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's > nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's > extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln > had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me > to know this? > > IMHO, > Patricia > > Karen Krugman wrote: > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny > you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption > file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, > as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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Hi, I am looking for the burial site for the wife of Wilbur Centennial Moore (Cennie). He died 1943 and is buried in Elmwood. If his wife Minnie is buried there I need her dates. She was born abt 1870 and died after him. Thanks, Patricia

Thank you for clarifying that. I was not absolutely sure. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Traxler" <gtraxler@prodigy.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > As far as I know, from my volunteer work with Lorain Domestic Relations > Court, adoption in Lorain County, Ohio CAN be open if the parents who are > adopting agree to it. They DON'T have to agree to it. Even if they agree > to > it, they can change their mind later without any court involvement or any > explanations to anyone. > > Gayle > > -----Original Message----- > From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Kathy Gies > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:32 PM > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > Adoption currently is open in Ohio. I know because I have family > currently > looking into adoption and have an adopted nephew and his adoption is open. > Not so sure it's a good idea but that is the way it is for now. > > Kathy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> Cindy, >> >> Adoption records before 1964 were definitely sealed. However, sometime >> around the 1990's they opened them up - at least for a while. That's >> when > >> I >> sent for mine. I don't know if they have been closed again or not. >> >> Cheryl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> >> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >> >> >>>I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >>>the >>> information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer >>> that told me this or is this a state by state thing? >>> cindy >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As far as I know, from my volunteer work with Lorain Domestic Relations Court, adoption in Lorain County, Ohio CAN be open if the parents who are adopting agree to it. They DON'T have to agree to it. Even if they agree to it, they can change their mind later without any court involvement or any explanations to anyone. Gayle -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Gies Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:32 PM To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question Adoption currently is open in Ohio. I know because I have family currently looking into adoption and have an adopted nephew and his adoption is open. Not so sure it's a good idea but that is the way it is for now. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Cindy, > > Adoption records before 1964 were definitely sealed. However, sometime > around the 1990's they opened them up - at least for a while. That's when > I > sent for mine. I don't know if they have been closed again or not. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >>I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >>the >> information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer >> that told me this or is this a state by state thing? >> cindy >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think they were sealed but if you prove to be a direct blood line to that ancestor you can see the files. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >the > information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer > that told me this or is this a state by state thing? > cindy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >>I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >>nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >>gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >>for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. >> >> As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, >> and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! >> Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what >> difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that >> have >> a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's >> nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's >> extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln >> had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me >> to know this? >> >> IMHO, >> Patricia >> >> Karen Krugman <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental >> health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died >> of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny >> you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything >> having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be >> closed forever! Bummer! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "re5212@aol.com" >> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >> >> >> My 2 cents on researching and adoption: >> >> My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care >> because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This >> was >> in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, >> so >> he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and >> she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became >> reacquainted >> with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually >> remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all >> knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked >> more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we >> called him Uncle. >> >> We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws >> can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives >> Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists >> for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the >> backstroke >> across the Atlantic ! >> >> In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb >> site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption >> records ! >> >> All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an >> adoption >> file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. >> >> Richelle >> Parma, OH >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net >> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >> >> My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is >> adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my >> opinion, >> it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I >> have >> cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, >> and I >> tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in >> case the >> adoptees were looking for realatives. >> >> In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to >> trace, >> as >> she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, >> and >> lived in a farming community. >> >> Best regards, >> Patricia Daly >> >> >> >> MScheffler wrote: >> Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive >> parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on >> any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy >> program may have a way to include two sets of parents. >> >> You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to >> mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You >> might >> at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the >> area >> where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems >> realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the >> birth >> parents might be. >> >> Margaret Scheffler >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM >> Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >> >> >>> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >>> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >>> note >>> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >>> here >>> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >>> his >>> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >>> >>> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >>> >>> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >>> uncle >>> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >>> in >>> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >>> so my >>> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >>> so >>> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >>> >>> Alice >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security >> tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the >> web, >> free AOL Mail and more. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Adoption currently is open in Ohio. I know because I have family currently looking into adoption and have an adopted nephew and his adoption is open. Not so sure it's a good idea but that is the way it is for now. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Cindy, > > Adoption records before 1964 were definitely sealed. However, sometime > around the 1990's they opened them up - at least for a while. That's when > I > sent for mine. I don't know if they have been closed again or not. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >>I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >>the >> information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer >> that told me this or is this a state by state thing? >> cindy >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cindy, Adoption records before 1964 were definitely sealed. However, sometime around the 1990's they opened them up - at least for a while. That's when I sent for mine. I don't know if they have been closed again or not. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chafin" <r_chafin@bellsouth.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get >the > information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer > that told me this or is this a state by state thing? > cindy >

I thought adoption records before 1964 were not sealed and you could get the information you were looking for. Has this law changed? It was a lawyer that told me this or is this a state by state thing? cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. > > As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, > and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! > Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what > difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have > a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's > nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's > extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln > had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me > to know this? > > IMHO, > Patricia > > Karen Krugman <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny > you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption > file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, > as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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Nancy - thank you for correcting me on that index reference. I will chase it down. Ann Tracy Marr, author of Round Table Magician a Regency romance available February 23, 2007 from www.awe-struck.net

I have been unable to get any information on my husband's grfather who was adopted in Avon, Lorain Co about 1880. According to family, he also tried to get info back in the 1950's. I agree with whoever brought up the fact that often bio and adopted lines connect because many times relatives would take children as their own when the birth family couldn't raise them (for whatever reason). It was just "reality." Supposedly he was born in 1875 in NY and adopted at the age of about 3, but when I check the 1880 census for him he is not with the family. I went through the Avon, Lorain Co census for that year line by line looking for any possiblity he was nearby but couldn't come up with anything. I had an ancestry membership for 2 years and looked through the Elyria papers extensively but couldn't find anything that helped. My thought was to get a job in probate court and search when no one was looking!!! His name was Albert Traxler (at least after the adoption. According to one of his son's birth certs in 1909, he was born in NY in 1875. He had an adopted cousin also named Albert Traxler who is (from what I remember right now) born in about 1880. "My" Albert had no middle initial, lived in Lorain Co all of his life (Avon, Grafton Twp, Eaton Twp, and Elyria)and died in 1955.

October 14, 1907 Daily Journal (Telluride, San Miguel County) TWO CHILDREN KILLED Loraine, Ohio, Oct 14, - Mathew G. Loski, aged 5 years, and his sister Lucy, aged 11, were run down by a Lake Shore train and killed last night on a crossing near Amherst, and their aunt Miss Sophia G. Lover, fatally hurt. The three were walking on the track when the boy’s foot caught on a cattle guard. In attempting to rescue him, his sister’s foot also caught. The woman was trying to unlace the children’s shoes when a freight bore down on them. _________________________________________________ Dec 22, 1914- Daily Journal (Telluride, San Miguel County) FIRST OHIOAN OF 1915 WILL BE GIVEN MANY PRESENTS Loraine, Ohio Dec 22, - The first baby born in Lorain after January 1, 1915 will come into the world in possession of the proverbial silver spoon. A Lorain newspaper today offered a prize of ten dollars for the first 1915 baby. Lorain merchants are also being asked to come forward with offers of go-carts, clothes, and other necessary articles to the well being of infants. Lorain’s first 1914 infant received gifts ranking from a corset to a case of beer. ____________________________________________ Aug 21 1905 Daily Journal (Telluride, San Miguel County) The Peanut Club is the latest social Organization found in Lorain, Ohio. The members, all popular young women, are required to roll a peanut from Dexter Street to the loop, North Broadway, a distance of over two miles. The feat has so far been performed by five members. Te peanut route is through the busiest heart of the city. _____________________________________________ May 25, 1905 Durango Democrat (Durango, La Plata County) Passes as Bachelor for Eighteen Years Elyria, Ohio May 24- The arrival of a stranger looking for his father revealed a secret which James James, a well known Pittsfield man, had kept to himself for eighteen years. He was suppose to be a bachelor,, but he acknowledged the stranger as his son, and said that his own real name was James Heinsner. He left a wife and three children in Syracuse N.Y eighteen years ago, coming to this county where he managed an estate and made money. Last year he heard that his daughter was in hard circumstances and he bought her a house and lot. This furnished a clue for his son.

On the FTM lineage page, at least on the past Family Tree Maker programs, you could indicate relationship to each parent. Haven't installed my newer FTM programs yet...too busy with other things to deal with that kind of a change right now!! I'd never get anything else done!! Ann At 02:57 PM 1/11/2007, you wrote: >If anyone is using Legacy 6.0 Deluxe, there is provision for indicating the >relationship of a child to a parent. >I use this software and have the choices of adopted, step, biological, >foster, disproved, guardian, sealed. > >Kathy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> >To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:43 AM >Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > > opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's > > line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' > > early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do > > was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. > > > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to > > trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born > > in 1910, and lived in a farming community. > > > > Best regards, > > Patricia Daly > > > > > > > > MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > > parents might be. > > > > Margaret Scheffler > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the > >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than > >> note > >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came > >> here > >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but > >> his > >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. > >> > >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. > >> > >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my > >> uncle > >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store > >> in > >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free > >> so my > >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 > >> so > >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. > >> > >> Alice > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Medical Information can be made private by not including them when you share your files with anyone. I personally find knowing the medical history of my family tree necessary even if there are cures. I feel a need to be sensitive to mental health issues too as people can't always help the way they are. Even if it can't be cured it can be controlled if people take the meds they are prescribed. A lot of genealogists find it fascinating to see the prevalence of certain health issued in family lines so why not include it if you want to? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question >I believe that one can acquire the birth certificate of the adoptee, but >nothing beyond that, because I've investigated this i/t/o my mother who >gave up a child for adoption. I never followed through with the request >for the birth certificate, because it was not my business, I felt. > > As far as mental illness, there's always been a stigma attached to it, > and if it were me, I surely wouldn't want anyone to know my history! > Really what is the point? All this stuff about medical knowledge, what > difference does it make? There aren't too many genetic diseases that have > a cure! And what if one has schizophrenia in one's family? There's > nothing to do about it. My paternal gggm had the disease where one's > extremities are longer than should be; that same disease that Abe Lincoln > had. No one since has shown this disorder, so what good would it do me > to know this? > > IMHO, > Patricia > > Karen Krugman <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. Funny > you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an adoption > file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to trace, > as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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I am not so sure about not seeing the file. A few years ago I tried to see the file of my husband's Grandfather in Ohio. I was told that my hubby could see and have a photo copy of the file but had to prove direct blood lineage to do so. I'll have to find my supporting info and see who my contact was. We did find out though the Grandfather was not adopted legally so there were no records to see. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Krugman" <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. > Funny you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" <re5212@aol.com> > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an > adoption file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to > trace, as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, > and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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If anyone is using Legacy 6.0 Deluxe, there is provision for indicating the relationship of a child to a parent. I use this software and have the choices of adopted, step, biological, foster, disproved, guardian, sealed. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's > line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' > early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do > was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to > trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born > in 1910, and lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone I found out in 2003 that the Grandpa I grew up with (and all of his blood line I knew and visited often with) was not my biological Grandfather. He loved me like a Granddaughter and I loved him like a Grandpa too although he never legally adopted my Mom. I had mixed feelings about what to do with my family tree. My Mom still does not like me calling my biological one "Grandpa" but being he is my blood line I show him the respect and refer to him as such. And yes my Grandpa I did grow up with will always be my Grandpa too...feelings have not changed. I trace both lines as respect to both of them. I wouldn't be the same without all of them and consider it a blessing I have so much family. In 2005 I found my biological Grandpa's grave in Ashtabula Co. Oh and paid him a long visit and needless to say it was a very emotional time for me. I missed all the years I could have known him and never had the pleasure. So you have to decide emotionally if you want to trace both sides or forget the side that provided love and care in times of need. It's a personal decision you can only make. No genealogical guideline can keep this issue cut and dry in my opinion. Good luck in your research and may God Bless you. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "MScheffler" <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You > might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Alikat42@aol.com> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, >> came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for >> free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in >> 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That is one of the "problems" with that kind of reaearch. My aunt was not the only lady that I heard of being "given away." I had some very dear friends in PA, who were of my mom's generation, who acquired a child like this. I don't want to say it was a common practice, but I haven't heard anything like that going on today. I think people might have been more casual about things back then, and not so much with paperwork! Patricia Kathy Gies <katyquilts2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I am not so sure about not seeing the file. A few years ago I tried to see the file of my husband's Grandfather in Ohio. I was told that my hubby could see and have a photo copy of the file but had to prove direct blood lineage to do so. I'll have to find my supporting info and see who my contact was. We did find out though the Grandfather was not adopted legally so there were no records to see. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Krugman" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > Ohio seems particulary protective of records such as adoption and mental > health. I was trying to see a file on my third great grandfather who died > of "insanity" in 1855. No way would they allow me to see that file. > Funny you can get birth, death, marriage with no restrictions but anything > having to do with mental health or adoption and the door seems to be > closed forever! Bummer! > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > > My 2 cents on researching and adoption: > > My grandmother's husband died and she put her son out to foster care > because she needed to work. As a new immigrant she was all alone. This was > in 1898. She paid room and board for her son and visited him regularly, so > he knew her. Ultimately this foster family wanted to adopt her child and > she agreed to give him a better life. As he grew up he became reacquainted > with her and visited with her all through her life. Grandma eventually > remarried and had more children and I descend from this branch. We all > knew her first son who was a very nice man with a nice smile, who looked > more like Grandma than any of us did! He was part of our family and we > called him Uncle. > > We have the case number of the adoption but due to Ohio adoption laws > can't see the file. We want to see this file to check if it gives > Grandma's birthplace and arrival info. We have been searching ship lists > for 16 years and find her no where... so she must have done the backstroke > across the Atlantic ! > > In any event, I find from researching other family lines that the GenWeb > site for DeKalb Co IN for instance has brief transcripts of old adoption > records ! > > All parties to this adoption are long deceased. It seems to us an > adoption file from over 100 years ago could be viewed. > > Richelle > Parma, OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: pdz99@sbcglobal.net > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, > it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's line. I > have > cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' early deaths, > and I > tried to get info on them. All the agency would do was take my name in > case the > adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to > trace, as > she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born in 1910, > and > lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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Guess I need to pay for the update...I'm still at 4.0! Kathy Gies <katyquilts2@sbcglobal.net> wrote: If anyone is using Legacy 6.0 Deluxe, there is provision for indicating the relationship of a child to a parent. I use this software and have the choices of adopted, step, biological, foster, disproved, guardian, sealed. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > My genealogy program doesn't allow for adoption lines. Once a person is > adopted, that "bloodline" doesn't go backwards--only forward. In my > opinion, it's hard enough tracing our bloodlines, let alone the adoptee's > line. I have cousins from Lorain County who were adopted due to parents' > early deaths, and I tried to get info on them. All the agency would do > was take my name in case the adoptees were looking for realatives. > > In addition, I have an adopted "aunt" whom I would never be able to > trace, as she was just "given" to my grandfather and wife. She was born > in 1910, and lived in a farming community. > > Best regards, > Patricia Daly > > > > MScheffler wrote: > Some people trace both the blood lines and the ancestors of adoptive > parents. What is important is to make sure that a distinction is clear on > any printouts that you distribute so as to not mislead. Your genealogy > program may have a way to include two sets of parents. > > You may be able to find the birth parents or you could just chose to > mark that your grandfather was adopted and go on to other lines. You might > at least want to check out the particulars related to adoption in the area > where your grandfather lived. Then you can decide whether is seems > realistic to try to track down possible records to determine who the birth > parents might be. > > Margaret Scheffler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:02 AM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] adoption question > > >> My Mom's dad was adopted.....how do I handle this? Do I try to find the >> original family or just not do anything on the chart about it other than >> note >> "adopted"? All my grandma knew was that her husband's mother, Mary, came >> here >> from England. She didn't know what happened to the dad or anything but >> his >> name was Spooner. We don't know the mom's maiden name, either. >> >> No one is left alive who knows any more than this. >> >> I found my grandpa's obit. He died when my Mom was a year old and my >> uncle >> was four. My grandma worked at either Taylor's or Bailey's Dept. store >> in >> downtown Cleveland. The adopted sister watched my mom and uncle for free >> so my >> grandma could work. There was no welfare, food stamps, etc. back in 1915 >> so >> I wonder how in the heck she raised her kids without going crazy. >> >> Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message