I also have ancestors who are from Freidewald Cassel in the northern part of Germany and have never found them using the middle name. Shirley Hunt Randi Meetzen <meetzen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: While this may be true in the case of your ancestors, I would not go by this as a hard and fast rule. After years of researching my husbands family, who still lives in Germany, I have never found this to be true. Perhaps it is a regional practice and is the case in certain areas of Germany. My husbands family are from Berlin on the maternal side and Bremen,and Oldenberg, which is Northern Germany. Perhaps Southern Germany uses this practice, I dont know as I havent come across it yet. The Germans are very good at record keeping and recently Ancestry.com has staretd to list German databases. Not trying to be argumentative ,just mentioning my own experience. I have German some genealogy on my webpages if you like to veiw it http://360.yahoo.com/my_profile-3aZNZP48fqM3elMBsqiyi2PxqPXTUe2OLf7ABjw-?cq=1 Some of the names I am researching are Meentzen, Wulfing, Von der Heydt, Topken, Grote, Schleiper Randi ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Name Puzzel (Lilly Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:37:10 +0200 From: "Lilly Martin" Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel To: Message-ID: <006b01c73ba2$948da500$7e115658@pcmy> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1256"; reply-type=original Dear Readers, Anyone with German ancestors probably already knows this, but just in case this might be news for some, I will share with you the fact that many if not most Germans use their MIDDLE name as their CALLING name. For example: a baby boy is born to a family, and they christen him as : Heinrich George . He will be called at home and at school and later in adult life always as "George". This makes for confusion when after 100-200 years a genealogist like us goes to look for records and census records, and finds him legally listed as HENRY, or HEINRICH. It would make you want to believe you were finding the wrong man, when in reality he used his middle name as the calling name, and he used his TRUE first name when asked for it in LEGAL matters such as deeds, court records, and census records. This rule holds true for LADIES as well. Margaret Elizabeth is always called Elizabeth or Lizzie or Libby. Well, where did the Margaret go? They just did not use it, except on her marriage certificate, or other such legal papers. I am not sure WHY Germans do this, but I have found some Catholic people do this as well, for example some German Catholics, and some Irish Catholics. Maybe this tradition, or habit started off in Europe before the Reformation (Protestant religions) and it just stuck in certain areas. Best regards, Lilly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > Dear Pat and Ken, > > I had the same trouble with my Dad's Dad.....all my life Dad told me his > Dad's name was George Henry but was called "Hank". When I "met" a > cousin on > this site, she said the grandfather's real name was Heinrich George -- he > was > married to the right grandmother's name, so I know it's him. > > I have a boss from Germany who lives on Fenn Road in Medina. She was all > in > a tizzy a few years back when the labels she ordered over the phone had > her > on "Senn" Road -- sometimes she is hard to understand with the accent, so > the > census takers could have had the same problem as Pat suggested. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the OHLORAIN list administrator, send an email to OHLORAIN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the OHLORAIN mailing list, send an email to OHLORAIN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of OHLORAIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 *************************************** Randi Bowles-Meentzen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Shirley --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.

While this may be true in the case of your ancestors, I would not go by this as a hard and fast rule. After years of researching my husbands family, who still lives in Germany, I have never found this to be true. Perhaps it is a regional practice and is the case in certain areas of Germany. My husbands family are from Berlin on the maternal side and Bremen,and Oldenberg, which is Northern Germany. Perhaps Southern Germany uses this practice, I dont know as I havent come across it yet. The Germans are very good at record keeping and recently Ancestry.com has staretd to list German databases. Not trying to be argumentative ,just mentioning my own experience. I have German some genealogy on my webpages if you like to veiw it http://360.yahoo.com/my_profile-3aZNZP48fqM3elMBsqiyi2PxqPXTUe2OLf7ABjw-?cq=1 Some of the names I am researching are Meentzen, Wulfing, Von der Heydt, Topken, Grote, Schleiper Randi ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Name Puzzel (Lilly Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:37:10 +0200 From: "Lilly Martin" Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel To: Message-ID: <006b01c73ba2$948da500$7e115658@pcmy> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1256"; reply-type=original Dear Readers, Anyone with German ancestors probably already knows this, but just in case this might be news for some, I will share with you the fact that many if not most Germans use their MIDDLE name as their CALLING name. For example: a baby boy is born to a family, and they christen him as : Heinrich George . He will be called at home and at school and later in adult life always as "George". This makes for confusion when after 100-200 years a genealogist like us goes to look for records and census records, and finds him legally listed as HENRY, or HEINRICH. It would make you want to believe you were finding the wrong man, when in reality he used his middle name as the calling name, and he used his TRUE first name when asked for it in LEGAL matters such as deeds, court records, and census records. This rule holds true for LADIES as well. Margaret Elizabeth is always called Elizabeth or Lizzie or Libby. Well, where did the Margaret go? They just did not use it, except on her marriage certificate, or other such legal papers. I am not sure WHY Germans do this, but I have found some Catholic people do this as well, for example some German Catholics, and some Irish Catholics. Maybe this tradition, or habit started off in Europe before the Reformation (Protestant religions) and it just stuck in certain areas. Best regards, Lilly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > Dear Pat and Ken, > > I had the same trouble with my Dad's Dad.....all my life Dad told me his > Dad's name was George Henry but was called "Hank". When I "met" a > cousin on > this site, she said the grandfather's real name was Heinrich George -- he > was > married to the right grandmother's name, so I know it's him. > > I have a boss from Germany who lives on Fenn Road in Medina. She was all > in > a tizzy a few years back when the labels she ordered over the phone had > her > on "Senn" Road -- sometimes she is hard to understand with the accent, so > the > census takers could have had the same problem as Pat suggested. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the OHLORAIN list administrator, send an email to OHLORAIN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the OHLORAIN mailing list, send an email to OHLORAIN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of OHLORAIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 *************************************** Randi Bowles-Meentzen

Dear Readers, Anyone with German ancestors probably already knows this, but just in case this might be news for some, I will share with you the fact that many if not most Germans use their MIDDLE name as their CALLING name. For example: a baby boy is born to a family, and they christen him as : Heinrich George . He will be called at home and at school and later in adult life always as "George". This makes for confusion when after 100-200 years a genealogist like us goes to look for records and census records, and finds him legally listed as HENRY, or HEINRICH. It would make you want to believe you were finding the wrong man, when in reality he used his middle name as the calling name, and he used his TRUE first name when asked for it in LEGAL matters such as deeds, court records, and census records. This rule holds true for LADIES as well. Margaret Elizabeth is always called Elizabeth or Lizzie or Libby. Well, where did the Margaret go? They just did not use it, except on her marriage certificate, or other such legal papers. I am not sure WHY Germans do this, but I have found some Catholic people do this as well, for example some German Catholics, and some Irish Catholics. Maybe this tradition, or habit started off in Europe before the Reformation (Protestant religions) and it just stuck in certain areas. Best regards, Lilly ----- Original Message ----- From: <Alikat42@aol.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > Dear Pat and Ken, > > I had the same trouble with my Dad's Dad.....all my life Dad told me his > Dad's name was George Henry but was called "Hank". When I "met" a > cousin on > this site, she said the grandfather's real name was Heinrich George -- he > was > married to the right grandmother's name, so I know it's him. > > I have a boss from Germany who lives on Fenn Road in Medina. She was all > in > a tizzy a few years back when the labels she ordered over the phone had > her > on "Senn" Road -- sometimes she is hard to understand with the accent, so > the > census takers could have had the same problem as Pat suggested. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Pat and Ken, I had the same trouble with my Dad's Dad.....all my life Dad told me his Dad's name was George Henry but was called "Hank". When I "met" a cousin on this site, she said the grandfather's real name was Heinrich George -- he was married to the right grandmother's name, so I know it's him. I have a boss from Germany who lives on Fenn Road in Medina. She was all in a tizzy a few years back when the labels she ordered over the phone had her on "Senn" Road -- sometimes she is hard to understand with the accent, so the census takers could have had the same problem as Pat suggested. Alice

Ken, I would believe the family and not the census records. The census taker could have thought they said "D" instead of "E" - they both sound similar. And the Grandfather was probably Emery Carl and went by Carl. A lot of my ancestors would change, using the 1st name on one census and their middle name on the next and then going back to the fist name. Others would reverse the order or their initials. No wonder we have such a hard time finding them. Pat -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:35 PM To: gene mail list Elyria Subject: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel I am trying to make a family Group sheet for my Step Son. The whole family call my step son "Tri" because his is the third Emery Carl Hi father was emery Carl the second. OK Today I get a 1920 census.. My step son Grandfather is listed as "Carl E" and his son was "Carl D". Carl D was 4 years old at 1920 census. Where did this Emery Carl Business come from? As far as I can see if it was not on the census its not legal. What name do I use on The Family Group Sheet? They didn't change their last name. I know I have the right name on the census. Its the right town the mother's name is correct and the sister's name is right and the youngest which is all correct. Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear OHLORAIN Listers, I like puzzles. I googled "N O D cemetery." Under Ramkin Cemetery there are two columns for "birth" and "death." Where a date (here the date of death) is missing the abbreviation "n.o.d." appears. It would seem to confirm the conjecture "no other date" to be the translation for "N O D" or its variations. Other cemetery websites under the same google search would also appear to confirm this. Virginia Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: <ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:20 PM Subject: OHLORAIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 31 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NOD on a gravemarker (Sande) > 2. Re: NOD on a gravemarker (Yolanda Campbell Lifter) > 3. Re: NOD on a gravemarker (Cheryl Bakker) > 4. Re: NOD on a gravemarker (David Statler) > 5. Re: NOD on a gravemarker (Sande) > 6. Re: NOD on a gravemarker (Sande) > 7. Re: NOD on a gravemarker (Cheryl Bakker) > 8. Name Puzzel (Ken) > 9. Re: Name Puzzel (Patricia Mcmackin) > 10. Re: Name Puzzel (Sande) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:52:41 -0800 (PST) > From: Sande <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <874026.87282.qm@web62507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Actually it was not on the headstone but on the cemetery records. I have > been searching the internet on this but have come up short. I guess I > could call and ask a cemetery caretaker...maybe he/she will know. > > Peace, > Sande > > Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > Did you ever find an answer to this question? > I have been asking all of my genealogy and historical society friends if > they ever heard of NOD on a headstone. The questions they asked were: > What was the time period or date this is listed (only 1930)? > Where on the headstone was the NOD listed (on top of name, after the > date?) > What part of the country or state are these graves? > Please let me know if you got an answer or know the answers to my > questions concerning the NOD > My first thought was the the OD part is "of death", like TOD is "Time of > death" > Thanks, > Shirley Hunt > > Sande wrote: > Has anyone encountered the letters NOD on a headstone or in the cemetery > records? Do you know what the initials mean? Someone sent me pics of the > headstones of some ancestors and the deed to the same plots, dated 1930. > What I am wondering is...does this maybe mean that the person is not > buried there or not dead yet? Or.... what does it mean? When I looked at > the cemetery map there were no other plots that had that on them, except > the ones for my distant family members. > > Thanks in advance, > Sande > > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning > goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > > --------------------------------- > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our > yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:23:21 -0500 > From: "Yolanda Campbell Lifter" <ylifter@ohiofamilyresearch.com> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <250901c73b25$5c9229a0$6801a8c0@NotebookYolanda> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other > data." > > > Yolanda Campbell Lifter > Malabar, FL > member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org > > Ohio Family Research http://ohiofamilyresearch.com > OH Genealogy http://ohgenealogy.com > > county coordinator, Brown County, OHGenWeb > http://ohgenealogy.com/brownco > county coordinator, Pike County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/pikeco > county coordinator, New Castle County, DEGenWeb > http://ohgenealogy.com/newcastleco > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sande" <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > > >> Actually it was not on the headstone but on the cemetery records. I have >> been searching the internet on this but have come up short. I guess I >> could call and ask a cemetery caretaker...maybe he/she will know. >> >> Peace, >> Sande >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:10:32 -0500 > From: "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002c01c73b45$1a822ef0$65f2a0cd@Familyroom> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > That sounds like a good possibility. Or - if it was on the cemetery > records > only, could it be "Name on Deed" meaning that this person owned the plot? > > The plot ( no pun intended) thickens! > > Cheryl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yolanda Campbell Lifter" <ylifter@ohiofamilyresearch.com> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > > >> If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other >> data." >> >> >> Yolanda Campbell Lifter >> Malabar, FL >> member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:20:05 -0600 > From: David Statler <dstatler@mail.mo.gov> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <45AFE485.4050301@mail.mo.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Doing some Google searching, NOD always appeared if there is no death > date listed on the headstone. > Just another piece of the puzzle. Probably means NO Death date or > something like that. > > David Statler > > > Cheryl Bakker wrote: > >>That sounds like a good possibility. Or - if it was on the cemetery >>records >>only, could it be "Name on Deed" meaning that this person owned the plot? >> >>The plot ( no pun intended) thickens! >> >>Cheryl >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Yolanda Campbell Lifter" <ylifter@ohiofamilyresearch.com> >>To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:23 PM >>Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker >> >> >> >> >>>If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other >>>data." >>> >>> >>>Yolanda Campbell Lifter >>>Malabar, FL >>>member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org >>> >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:05:29 -0800 (PST) > From: Sande <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <437799.71889.qm@web62507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ah yeah, hadn't thought of that! I also saw it on another cemetery > records document, so it could possibly be that. > > Sande > > Yolanda Campbell Lifter <ylifter@ohiofamilyresearch.com> wrote: > If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other > data." > > > Yolanda Campbell Lifter > Malabar, FL > member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org > > Ohio Family Research http://ohiofamilyresearch.com > OH Genealogy http://ohgenealogy.com > > county coordinator, Brown County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/brownco > county coordinator, Pike County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/pikeco > county coordinator, New Castle County, DEGenWeb > http://ohgenealogy.com/newcastleco > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sande" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > > >> Actually it was not on the headstone but on the cemetery records. I have >> been searching the internet on this but have come up short. I guess I >> could call and ask a cemetery caretaker...maybe he/she will know. >> >> Peace, >> Sande >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our > yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > > --------------------------------- > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:30:44 -0800 (PST) > From: Sande <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <433637.15873.qm@web62508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > The Name on Deed does not work as the records were for others than the > owners of the plots. > > Sande > > Cheryl Bakker <bchef@xtalwind.net> wrote: > That sounds like a good possibility. Or - if it was on the cemetery > records > only, could it be "Name on Deed" meaning that this person owned the plot? > > The plot ( no pun intended) thickens! > > Cheryl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yolanda Campbell Lifter" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > > >> If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other >> data." >> >> >> Yolanda Campbell Lifter >> Malabar, FL >> member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our > yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:03:17 -0500 > From: "Cheryl Bakker" <bchef@xtalwind.net> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000801c73b6e$00238e40$95f2a0cd@Familyroom> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sande, > > I just checked the online word list for German Genealogy at Family Search > (LDS), in the hopes that something would click -- it didn't. Also checked > for Latin words that might match. Nada. I checked Croom's "Unpuzzeling > Your > Past" with no good results. I think that, if there were a prize for > "brick > wall" questions, yours would take it! > > Hopefully, someone who checks this list will find something. I will keep > looking - this is a very interesting topic. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sande" <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > > >> The Name on Deed does not work as the records were for others than the >> owners of the plots. >> >> Sande > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:34:31 -0800 > From: "Ken" <kennethgooden@cox.net> > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > To: "gene mail list Elyria" <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000c01c73b7a$bc003e90$8fa10644@youro0kwkw9jwc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am trying to make a family Group sheet for my Step Son. The whole family > call my step son "Tri" because his is the third Emery Carl > Hi father was emery Carl the second. OK > > Today I get a 1920 census.. My step son Grandfather is listed as "Carl E" > and his son was "Carl D". Carl D was 4 years old at 1920 census. Where > did this Emery Carl Business come from? As far as I can see if it was not > on the census its not legal. > > What name do I use on The Family Group Sheet? They didn't change their > last name. I know I have the right name on the census. > Its the right town the mother's name is correct and the sister's name is > right and the youngest which is all correct. Ken > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:47:16 -0500 > From: "Patricia Mcmackin" <treetracer@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <200701190347.l0J3lOYi005559@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Ken, > > I would believe the family and not the census records. The census taker > could have thought they said "D" instead of "E" - they both sound > similar. > And the Grandfather was probably Emery Carl and went by Carl. A lot of my > ancestors would change, using the 1st name on one census and their middle > name on the next and then going back to the fist name. Others would > reverse > the order or their initials. No wonder we have such a hard time finding > them. > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ken > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:35 PM > To: gene mail list Elyria > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > > I am trying to make a family Group sheet for my Step Son. The whole family > call my step son "Tri" because his is the third Emery Carl > Hi father was emery Carl the second. OK > > Today I get a 1920 census.. My step son Grandfather is listed as "Carl E" > and his son was "Carl D". Carl D was 4 years old at 1920 census. Where > did > this Emery Carl Business come from? As far as I can see if it was not on > the > census its not legal. > > What name do I use on The Family Group Sheet? They didn't change their > last name. I know I have the right name on the census. > Its the right town the mother's name is correct and the sister's name is > right and the youngest which is all correct. Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:19:29 -0800 (PST) > From: Sande <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <102758.51520.qm@web62512.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Yep, that is something that happened a lot. My grandmother's name for > instance. She is either Rose Eunice or Eunice Rose and our family is > split on it. On her marriage license it says Eunice Rose, but my aunts > insist it is legally Rose Eunice. On the different censuses she is listed > both ways. She went by Rose and my dad always said she went by her middle > name so I beleive it to be Eunice Rose. Then, of course, is her father, > who has been known as Edward Collier, Collier Edward, E. Collier and just > plain Collier, and one of my 2rd gr uncles says it is E Colwert in his > genealogy book! Since he was born before birth certificates were required > I have no way of finding out for sure. He is buried as Edward C. > > Sande > > Patricia Mcmackin <treetracer@comcast.net> wrote: > > Ken, > > I would believe the family and not the census records. The census taker > could have thought they said "D" instead of "E" - they both sound similar. > And the Grandfather was probably Emery Carl and went by Carl. A lot of my > ancestors would change, using the 1st name on one census and their middle > name on the next and then going back to the fist name. Others would > reverse > the order or their initials. No wonder we have such a hard time finding > them. > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ken > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:35 PM > To: gene mail list Elyria > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > > I am trying to make a family Group sheet for my Step Son. The whole family > call my step son "Tri" because his is the third Emery Carl > Hi father was emery Carl the second. OK > > Today I get a 1920 census.. My step son Grandfather is listed as "Carl E" > and his son was "Carl D". Carl D was 4 years old at 1920 census. Where did > this Emery Carl Business come from? As far as I can see if it was not on > the > census its not legal. > > What name do I use on The Family Group Sheet? They didn't change their > last name. I know I have the right name on the census. > Its the right town the mother's name is correct and the sister's name is > right and the youngest which is all correct. 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Sande, I just checked the online word list for German Genealogy at Family Search (LDS), in the hopes that something would click -- it didn't. Also checked for Latin words that might match. Nada. I checked Croom's "Unpuzzeling Your Past" with no good results. I think that, if there were a prize for "brick wall" questions, yours would take it! Hopefully, someone who checks this list will find something. I will keep looking - this is a very interesting topic. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sande" <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > The Name on Deed does not work as the records were for others than the > owners of the plots. > > Sande

Yep, that is something that happened a lot. My grandmother's name for instance. She is either Rose Eunice or Eunice Rose and our family is split on it. On her marriage license it says Eunice Rose, but my aunts insist it is legally Rose Eunice. On the different censuses she is listed both ways. She went by Rose and my dad always said she went by her middle name so I beleive it to be Eunice Rose. Then, of course, is her father, who has been known as Edward Collier, Collier Edward, E. Collier and just plain Collier, and one of my 2rd gr uncles says it is E Colwert in his genealogy book! Since he was born before birth certificates were required I have no way of finding out for sure. He is buried as Edward C. Sande Patricia Mcmackin <treetracer@comcast.net> wrote: Ken, I would believe the family and not the census records. The census taker could have thought they said "D" instead of "E" - they both sound similar. And the Grandfather was probably Emery Carl and went by Carl. A lot of my ancestors would change, using the 1st name on one census and their middle name on the next and then going back to the fist name. Others would reverse the order or their initials. No wonder we have such a hard time finding them. Pat -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:35 PM To: gene mail list Elyria Subject: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel I am trying to make a family Group sheet for my Step Son. The whole family call my step son "Tri" because his is the third Emery Carl Hi father was emery Carl the second. OK Today I get a 1920 census.. My step son Grandfather is listed as "Carl E" and his son was "Carl D". Carl D was 4 years old at 1920 census. Where did this Emery Carl Business come from? As far as I can see if it was not on the census its not legal. What name do I use on The Family Group Sheet? They didn't change their last name. I know I have the right name on the census. Its the right town the mother's name is correct and the sister's name is right and the youngest which is all correct. Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

I am trying to make a family Group sheet for my Step Son. The whole family call my step son "Tri" because his is the third Emery Carl Hi father was emery Carl the second. OK Today I get a 1920 census.. My step son Grandfather is listed as "Carl E" and his son was "Carl D". Carl D was 4 years old at 1920 census. Where did this Emery Carl Business come from? As far as I can see if it was not on the census its not legal. What name do I use on The Family Group Sheet? They didn't change their last name. I know I have the right name on the census. Its the right town the mother's name is correct and the sister's name is right and the youngest which is all correct. Ken

The Name on Deed does not work as the records were for others than the owners of the plots. Sande Cheryl Bakker <bchef@xtalwind.net> wrote: That sounds like a good possibility. Or - if it was on the cemetery records only, could it be "Name on Deed" meaning that this person owned the plot? The plot ( no pun intended) thickens! Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yolanda Campbell Lifter" To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other > data." > > > Yolanda Campbell Lifter > Malabar, FL > member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

That sounds like a good possibility. Or - if it was on the cemetery records only, could it be "Name on Deed" meaning that this person owned the plot? The plot ( no pun intended) thickens! Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yolanda Campbell Lifter" <ylifter@ohiofamilyresearch.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other > data." > > > Yolanda Campbell Lifter > Malabar, FL > member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org

Ah yeah, hadn't thought of that! I also saw it on another cemetery records document, so it could possibly be that. Sande Yolanda Campbell Lifter <ylifter@ohiofamilyresearch.com> wrote: If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other data." Yolanda Campbell Lifter Malabar, FL member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org Ohio Family Research http://ohiofamilyresearch.com OH Genealogy http://ohgenealogy.com county coordinator, Brown County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/brownco county coordinator, Pike County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/pikeco county coordinator, New Castle County, DEGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/newcastleco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sande" To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > Actually it was not on the headstone but on the cemetery records. I have > been searching the internet on this but have come up short. I guess I > could call and ask a cemetery caretaker...maybe he/she will know. > > Peace, > Sande > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

Doing some Google searching, NOD always appeared if there is no death date listed on the headstone. Just another piece of the puzzle. Probably means NO Death date or something like that. David Statler Cheryl Bakker wrote: >That sounds like a good possibility. Or - if it was on the cemetery records >only, could it be "Name on Deed" meaning that this person owned the plot? > >The plot ( no pun intended) thickens! > >Cheryl > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Yolanda Campbell Lifter" <ylifter@ohiofamilyresearch.com> >To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > > > > >>If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other >>data." >> >> >>Yolanda Campbell Lifter >>Malabar, FL >>member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

If it was in the cemetery records only, it could possibly mean "no other data." Yolanda Campbell Lifter Malabar, FL member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://apgen.org Ohio Family Research http://ohiofamilyresearch.com OH Genealogy http://ohgenealogy.com county coordinator, Brown County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/brownco county coordinator, Pike County, OHGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/pikeco county coordinator, New Castle County, DEGenWeb http://ohgenealogy.com/newcastleco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sande" <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > Actually it was not on the headstone but on the cemetery records. I have > been searching the internet on this but have come up short. I guess I > could call and ask a cemetery caretaker...maybe he/she will know. > > Peace, > Sande > >

Actually it was not on the headstone but on the cemetery records. I have been searching the internet on this but have come up short. I guess I could call and ask a cemetery caretaker...maybe he/she will know. Peace, Sande Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: Did you ever find an answer to this question? I have been asking all of my genealogy and historical society friends if they ever heard of NOD on a headstone. The questions they asked were: What was the time period or date this is listed (only 1930)? Where on the headstone was the NOD listed (on top of name, after the date?) What part of the country or state are these graves? Please let me know if you got an answer or know the answers to my questions concerning the NOD My first thought was the the OD part is "of death", like TOD is "Time of death" Thanks, Shirley Hunt Sande wrote: Has anyone encountered the letters NOD on a headstone or in the cemetery records? Do you know what the initials mean? Someone sent me pics of the headstones of some ancestors and the deed to the same plots, dated 1930. What I am wondering is...does this maybe mean that the person is not buried there or not dead yet? Or.... what does it mean? When I looked at the cemetery map there were no other plots that had that on them, except the ones for my distant family members. Thanks in advance, Sande Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Shirley --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.

I think it a German word. My G.Grandmother's stone is in German. I had it transcribed by some man in Oceanside. I try to find the Translation. I think its the German word for Death. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Hunt" <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] NOD on a gravemarker > Did you ever find an answer to this question? > I have been asking all of my genealogy and historical society friends if > they ever heard of NOD on a headstone. The questions they asked were: > What was the time period or date this is listed (only 1930)? > Where on the headstone was the NOD listed (on top of name, after the > date?) > What part of the country or state are these graves? > Please let me know if you got an answer or know the answers to my > questions concerning the NOD > My first thought was the the OD part is "of death", like TOD is "Time of > death" > Thanks, > Shirley Hunt > > Sande <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> wrote: > Has anyone encountered the letters NOD on a headstone or in the cemetery > records? Do you know what the initials mean? Someone sent me pics of the > headstones of some ancestors and the deed to the same plots, dated 1930. > What I am wondering is...does this maybe mean that the person is not > buried there or not dead yet? Or.... what does it mean? When I looked at > the cemetery map there were no other plots that had that on them, except > the ones for my distant family members. > > Thanks in advance, > Sande > > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning > goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > > --------------------------------- > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Did you ever find an answer to this question? I have been asking all of my genealogy and historical society friends if they ever heard of NOD on a headstone. The questions they asked were: What was the time period or date this is listed (only 1930)? Where on the headstone was the NOD listed (on top of name, after the date?) What part of the country or state are these graves? Please let me know if you got an answer or know the answers to my questions concerning the NOD My first thought was the the OD part is "of death", like TOD is "Time of death" Thanks, Shirley Hunt Sande <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> wrote: Has anyone encountered the letters NOD on a headstone or in the cemetery records? Do you know what the initials mean? Someone sent me pics of the headstones of some ancestors and the deed to the same plots, dated 1930. What I am wondering is...does this maybe mean that the person is not buried there or not dead yet? Or.... what does it mean? When I looked at the cemetery map there were no other plots that had that on them, except the ones for my distant family members. Thanks in advance, Sande Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Shirley --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.

Patricia, Shirley is correct. The Erie Canal was entirely in New York State, with the western terminus at Buffalo, New York. The route from Buffalo to Cleveland was either by boat on Lake Erie, or by land along the shoreline. By the 1830s, thousands of passengers departed Buffalo for Great Lakes ports, on Lake Erie and beyond. The Ohio and Erie Canal that connected Cleveland with the Ohio River at Portsmouth, was a product of the "canal fever" spawned by the success of the Erie Canal. Construction was started in 1825 and the Cleveland to Akron section opened in 1827. The final section from Newark to Portsmouth was completed in 1832. The two canals were not connected. The lake route from Buffalo to Cleveland was the effective connection. While the Erie Canal is still in service, the Ohio and Erie canal is not. The coming of the railroads to Ohio in the 1850s was the death knell of the canal. The railroad could move cargo much more cost effectively than the canal.. Stretches of the Ohio -Erie canal were abandoned prior to 1900, and the massive storm and flooding of 1913, was the end. As you probably know, the Ohio -Erie canal towpath is now the proposed route of a bicycle and hiking path from Cleveland to the Ohio River. Also several towns along the old canal route have restored portions of the canal, including a few locks, and taking a short trip on the canal in a replica canal boat is a pleasant way to spend a summer afternoon --- the world at about 3 miles per hour! Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <pdz99@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Erie Cannel. > If you google Erie canal and ohio, you might find something like the > following that is cut from an online encyclopedia. I'm not sure, but I > believe the canals were connected, and made their way to Lake Erie in > Cleveland. There are still pieces of it in Cleveland. > > Ohio and Erie Canal > Ohio and Erie Canal former waterway of Ohio, 307 mi (494 km) long, > between Lake Erie at Cleveland and the Ohio River at Portsmouth; built > 1825-32. It utilized part of the courses of the Cuyahoga, Muskingum, and > Scioto rivers and had 49 locks. It flourished as a means of transporting > freight until the advent of the railroad era in the 1850s. The canal was > responsible for the growth of cities along its route, especially > Cleveland, Akron, and Columbus. > > Regards, > Patricia > > > > Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Erie Canal did not go to > Cleveland, Ohio. I think it went from Albany, New York to Buffalo, New > York. The Hudson River to Lake Erie, but Lake Erie at Buffalo. They would > have then traveled from Buffalo to Cleveland on Lake Erie. > Shirley > > MScheffler wrote: > Here is one url. If you Google it, you will find others. > http://www.eriecanal.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: "gene mail list Elyria" > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:53 PM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Erie Cannel. > > >> What year was the Erie Cannel Completed ? My Grandfather told me that the >> Original Immigrants who came in 1832 traveled >> from Buffalo to Cleveland on a flat Boat. If the cannel was in use I am >> sure they would have used it.Ken >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Last summer my husband and I took a trip to Roscoe Village and rode down the Erie cannel on a cannel boat just like they did over a hundred years ago. It was a wonderful experience and a great day trip, well worth the drive. Gary Good <lallance@yahoo.com> wrote: The Erie Canal ran from Buffalo east to the Hudson River, at Albany N.Y. The Ohio and Erie Canal (Named because it connected the Ohio River to Lake Erie), ran from Cleveland to Portsmouth. The only water connection between these was Lake Erie. Gary R. Good Patricia wrote: If you google Erie canal and ohio, you might find something like the following that is cut from an online encyclopedia. I'm not sure, but I believe the canals were connected, and made their way to Lake Erie in Cleveland. There are still pieces of it in Cleveland. Ohio and Erie Canal Ohio and Erie Canal former waterway of Ohio, 307 mi (494 km) long, between Lake Erie at Cleveland and the Ohio River at Portsmouth; built 1825-32. It utilized part of the courses of the Cuyahoga, Muskingum, and Scioto rivers and had 49 locks. It flourished as a means of transporting freight until the advent of the railroad era in the 1850s. The canal was responsible for the growth of cities along its route, especially Cleveland, Akron, and Columbus. Regards, Patricia Shirley Hunt wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Erie Canal did not go to Cleveland, Ohio. I think it went from Albany, New York to Buffalo, New York. The Hudson River to Lake Erie, but Lake Erie at Buffalo. They would have then traveled from Buffalo to Cleveland on Lake Erie. Shirley MScheffler wrote: Here is one url. If you Google it, you will find others. http://www.eriecanal.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: "gene mail list Elyria" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Erie Cannel. > What year was the Erie Cannel Completed ? My Grandfather told me that the > Original Immigrants who came in 1832 traveled > from Buffalo to Cleveland on a flat Boat. If the cannel was in use I am > sure they would have used it.Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Shirley --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

Thanks for the info. I remember hearing about the bike path. And even though I grew up, and still live in Cleveland, that Canal boat ride is on a list of "to dos". It sounds really interesting! Patricia Richard Kurish <ricklaura@eriecoast.com> wrote: Patricia, Shirley is correct. The Erie Canal was entirely in New York State, with the western terminus at Buffalo, New York. The route from Buffalo to Cleveland was either by boat on Lake Erie, or by land along the shoreline. By the 1830s, thousands of passengers departed Buffalo for Great Lakes ports, on Lake Erie and beyond. The Ohio and Erie Canal that connected Cleveland with the Ohio River at Portsmouth, was a product of the "canal fever" spawned by the success of the Erie Canal. Construction was started in 1825 and the Cleveland to Akron section opened in 1827. The final section from Newark to Portsmouth was completed in 1832. The two canals were not connected. The lake route from Buffalo to Cleveland was the effective connection. While the Erie Canal is still in service, the Ohio and Erie canal is not. The coming of the railroads to Ohio in the 1850s was the death knell of the canal. The railroad could move cargo much more cost effectively than the canal.. Stretches of the Ohio -Erie canal were abandoned prior to 1900, and the massive storm and flooding of 1913, was the end. As you probably know, the Ohio -Erie canal towpath is now the proposed route of a bicycle and hiking path from Cleveland to the Ohio River. Also several towns along the old canal route have restored portions of the canal, including a few locks, and taking a short trip on the canal in a replica canal boat is a pleasant way to spend a summer afternoon --- the world at about 3 miles per hour! Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Erie Cannel. > If you google Erie canal and ohio, you might find something like the > following that is cut from an online encyclopedia. I'm not sure, but I > believe the canals were connected, and made their way to Lake Erie in > Cleveland. There are still pieces of it in Cleveland. > > Ohio and Erie Canal > Ohio and Erie Canal former waterway of Ohio, 307 mi (494 km) long, > between Lake Erie at Cleveland and the Ohio River at Portsmouth; built > 1825-32. It utilized part of the courses of the Cuyahoga, Muskingum, and > Scioto rivers and had 49 locks. It flourished as a means of transporting > freight until the advent of the railroad era in the 1850s. The canal was > responsible for the growth of cities along its route, especially > Cleveland, Akron, and Columbus. > > Regards, > Patricia > > > > Shirley Hunt wrote: > Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Erie Canal did not go to > Cleveland, Ohio. I think it went from Albany, New York to Buffalo, New > York. The Hudson River to Lake Erie, but Lake Erie at Buffalo. They would > have then traveled from Buffalo to Cleveland on Lake Erie. > Shirley > > MScheffler wrote: > Here is one url. If you Google it, you will find others. > http://www.eriecanal.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: "gene mail list Elyria" > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:53 PM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Erie Cannel. > > >> What year was the Erie Cannel Completed ? My Grandfather told me that the >> Original Immigrants who came in 1832 traveled >> from Buffalo to Cleveland on a flat Boat. If the cannel was in use I am >> sure they would have used it.Ken >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Shirley > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message