I'm searching for 2 obituaries. I believe they brothers. They are buried at Ridgelawn Cemetery and both names appear on either side of one headstone. Frederick E. DENN died 11 March 1879 or 1883 (date is not readable) aged 32 yr 8 mo. Charles H. DENN born 19 Nov 1872 and died 30 Oct 1899 Thank you in advance for any assistance. Linda at: _rogerlindaohfl@aol.com_ (mailto:rogerlindaohfl@aol.com)

I am searching for an obituary or newspaper article for Stella (Kelly) WORCESTER. I have tried the Lorain County Probate records, Cuyahoga County Historical Society, Elyria and Lorain Health Dept., but they do not have any records about Stella WORCESTER's death. Stella Kelly was born about 1884 in Union City, Erie Co., PA, the daughter of Darius Kelly and Sarah Herdson or Hudson. PA does not have birth records for her as I checked. Stella Kelly married Lawrence Adelbert WORCESTER, my grandfather, on 20 Dec 1904 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County. Lawrence A. Worcester resided at 135 Chestnut St. at the time of their marriage. Between Dec 1904 and Nov 1909 Stella WORCESTER supposedly committed suicide in Elyria. Hopefully if I find the obituary or newspaper article about her death I can locate where she is buried. Thank you in advance for any help. Linda at _rogerlindaohfl@aol.com_ (mailto:rogerlindaohfl@aol.com)

Hi Ken. My GrGm lived to be about 87. She went back and forth between Chicago relatives and Carlisle relatives for 3 Census. Check other households in surrounding area as well as out of state. Good Luck, Patricia Ken <kennethgooden@cox.net> wrote: I have been looking at the 1850 census for Elyria Township.In the household of Philip Beal there is a Maria Beal 80 years old and was born in Germany I assume she was his mother. The thing that is puzzling to be is this is the first and only time I have seen any mention of her. She must be in a Cemetery some where. People don't generally disappear. What happened to her? Where would you look for some sort of a record. Most people don't live very far past 80? Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning Ken, My Dad's mom lived into her 50's but her "baby" sister lived into her 90's and buried 4 husbands. She lived in Arizona for years then at 92 came back to the area (born in Elyria) but her son was in Columbus so she was in a nursing home down there when she died at 95 or 97. Try expanding to other townships were her children may have moved to see if she was with one of them when she died. Alice

Ken, I found bunches of BEAL family members buried in North Murray Ridge Cemetery, including Phillip Beal and his wife. However, I didn't see anyone who matched the info that you gave. I would suspect that she is an older relative of some sort, hard to tell when the 1850 doesn't give relationships. Its doubtful if she's 80 in 1850 (b. ca 1770) that she would be around in 1900. Maybe she was living with one of the other relatives in prior census, although the prior census wouldn't give names or relationships either. Good luck. Karen ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken <kennethgooden@cox.net> To: gene mail list Elyria <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:06:37 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Maria Beal I have been looking at the 1850 census for Elyria Township.In the household of Philip Beal there is a Maria Beal 80 years old and was born in Germany I assume she was his mother. The thing that is puzzling to be is this is the first and only time I have seen any mention of her. She must be in a Cemetery some where. People don't generally disappear. What happened to her? Where would you look for some sort of a record. Most people don't live very far past 80? Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been looking at the 1850 census for Elyria Township.In the household of Philip Beal there is a Maria Beal 80 years old and was born in Germany I assume she was his mother. The thing that is puzzling to be is this is the first and only time I have seen any mention of her. She must be in a Cemetery some where. People don't generally disappear. What happened to her? Where would you look for some sort of a record. Most people don't live very far past 80? Ken

Donna, Was your father related to Milton & Doyle on their father's side of the family? My father, George was the youngest of 10. He did not marry my mother until he was 33 and I wasn't born until he was 40. I was born in March and he turned 41 in July. I am the youngest of all the grandchildren. Yes, Violet is still living in Lorain as far as I know. I did see her at Doyle's funeral service. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Edmondson" <sandnsea4de@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] relationships in common > Hello Cathy and Jane, > > Milton and Doyle were my father's cousins. We played with Leila, as > children. Is Milton's wife still living in Lorain? > > Donna. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Jane Cahl <jec123@eriecoast.com> wrote: Hi Cathy, > Yes, I am. Denny Hutton's father, Milton was my cousin. He and Doyle > were > brothers. > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > > >> Hi Jane and Donna, >> >> Are you related to Denny Hutton who went to school with us, Jane? I >> know you're related to several Amherst families, but don't recall >> your mentioning the Huttons. >> >> Cathy >> >> -- "Jane Cahl" wrote: >> Donna, >> >> Yes, I am related. Doyle was my cousin. His mother and my father >> were >> sister and brother. >> You must also be related to Doyle? The last time I saw Lila Mae and >> Linda >> was at his funeral. >> >> Jane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Donna Edmondson" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations >> >> >>> Hi Jane, >>> >>> Are you descended from / related to the late Doyle and Olga Hutton >> of >>> Amherst? >>> >>> Donna, So Cal >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jane Cahl wrote: It would seem that they >> would mean >>> son of, and daughter of. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ken" >>> To: "gene mail list Elyria" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:00 PM >>> Subject: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations >>> >>> >>>>I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the >> town there >>>>is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o >>>> John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> The fish are biting. >>> Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Interested in getting caught up on today's news? >> Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. >> http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Cathy and Jane, Milton and Doyle were my father's cousins. We played with Leila, as children. Is Milton's wife still living in Lorain? Donna. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jane Cahl <jec123@eriecoast.com> wrote: Hi Cathy, Yes, I am. Denny Hutton's father, Milton was my cousin. He and Doyle were brothers. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > Hi Jane and Donna, > > Are you related to Denny Hutton who went to school with us, Jane? I > know you're related to several Amherst families, but don't recall > your mentioning the Huttons. > > Cathy > > -- "Jane Cahl" wrote: > Donna, > > Yes, I am related. Doyle was my cousin. His mother and my father > were > sister and brother. > You must also be related to Doyle? The last time I saw Lila Mae and > Linda > was at his funeral. > > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Edmondson" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > > >> Hi Jane, >> >> Are you descended from / related to the late Doyle and Olga Hutton > of >> Amherst? >> >> Donna, So Cal >> >> >> >> >> >> Jane Cahl wrote: It would seem that they > would mean >> son of, and daughter of. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken" >> To: "gene mail list Elyria" >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:00 PM >> Subject: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations >> >> >>>I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the > town there >>>is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o >>> John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> The fish are biting. >> Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Interested in getting caught up on today's news? > Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.

your comment about them not remembering their names made me LOL...sometimes we need a bit of levity or we'd go nuts looking for people. Ali

Just my two cents worth. Don't have a clue about what went on in Germany. All of my German antecedents who lived in Pennsylvania went by their middle names. Drove me nuts trying to find them at first. Finally decided they had trouble remembering more than one name and my research got a whole lot easier.

Hi Jane and Donna, Are you related to Denny Hutton who went to school with us, Jane? I know you're related to several Amherst families, but don't recall your mentioning the Huttons. Cathy -- "Jane Cahl" <jec123@eriecoast.com> wrote: Donna, Yes, I am related. Doyle was my cousin. His mother and my father were sister and brother. You must also be related to Doyle? The last time I saw Lila Mae and Linda was at his funeral. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Edmondson" <sandnsea4de@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > Hi Jane, > > Are you descended from / related to the late Doyle and Olga Hutton of > Amherst? > > Donna, So Cal > > > > > > Jane Cahl <jec123@eriecoast.com> wrote: It would seem that they would mean > son of, and daughter of. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: "gene mail list Elyria" > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:00 PM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > > >>I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the town there >>is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o >> John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24

Hi Cathy, Yes, I am. Denny Hutton's father, Milton was my cousin. He and Doyle were brothers. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <martin.abba@juno.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > Hi Jane and Donna, > > Are you related to Denny Hutton who went to school with us, Jane? I > know you're related to several Amherst families, but don't recall > your mentioning the Huttons. > > Cathy > > -- "Jane Cahl" <jec123@eriecoast.com> wrote: > Donna, > > Yes, I am related. Doyle was my cousin. His mother and my father > were > sister and brother. > You must also be related to Doyle? The last time I saw Lila Mae and > Linda > was at his funeral. > > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Edmondson" <sandnsea4de@yahoo.com> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > > >> Hi Jane, >> >> Are you descended from / related to the late Doyle and Olga Hutton > of >> Amherst? >> >> Donna, So Cal >> >> >> >> >> >> Jane Cahl <jec123@eriecoast.com> wrote: It would seem that they > would mean >> son of, and daughter of. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ken" >> To: "gene mail list Elyria" >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:00 PM >> Subject: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations >> >> >>>I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the > town there >>>is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o >>> John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> The fish are biting. >> Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Interested in getting caught up on today's news? > Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Donna, Yes, I am related. Doyle was my cousin. His mother and my father were sister and brother. You must also be related to Doyle? The last time I saw Lila Mae and Linda was at his funeral. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Edmondson" <sandnsea4de@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > Hi Jane, > > Are you descended from / related to the late Doyle and Olga Hutton of > Amherst? > > Donna, So Cal > > > > > > Jane Cahl <jec123@eriecoast.com> wrote: It would seem that they would mean > son of, and daughter of. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: "gene mail list Elyria" > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:00 PM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations > > >>I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the town there >>is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o >> John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jane, Are you descended from / related to the late Doyle and Olga Hutton of Amherst? Donna, So Cal Jane Cahl <jec123@eriecoast.com> wrote: It would seem that they would mean son of, and daughter of. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: "gene mail list Elyria" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations >I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the town there >is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o > John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.

It would seem that they would mean son of, and daughter of. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <kennethgooden@cox.net> To: "gene mail list Elyria" <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations >I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the town there >is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o > John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

s/o is SON OF d/o is DAUGHTER OF... ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken <kennethgooden@cox.net> To: gene mail list Elyria <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:00:30 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Abbreviations I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the town there is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a document of a marriage in Canada After the name of the town there is this s/o Samuel&Sarah and after the bride's name is d/o John& Elisabeth. What do these abbreviations mean. ken

In a message dated 1/21/2007 12:15:12 AM Central Standard Time, ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com writes: most Germans use their MIDDLE name as their CALLING name Using the middle name in Germany as the "calling" name does happen, however it appears to be the exception. Another rarity in Germany is use of the wife's surname after marriage. Both conditions add to the degree of difficulty in tracing the family. Bob

On the other hand, this may just be a regional custom in the southern part of Germany, as I have been told by Germans living in Bavaria and Rheinland-Pfalz that that it was common for males to go by their middle name... According to Kerchner, < http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm > the first name was a spiritual name (saint's name) and the second, a secular name (rufnamen) was the name by which this person was commonly known. Ann in Iowa At 09:11 AM 1/20/2007, you wrote: >I also have ancestors who are from Freidewald Cassel in the northern >part of Germany and have never found them using the middle name. > Shirley Hunt > >Randi Meetzen <meetzen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > While this may be true in the case of your ancestors, I would not > go by this as a hard and fast rule. After years of researching my > husbands family, who still lives in Germany, I have never found > this to be true. Perhaps it is a regional practice and is the case > in certain areas of Germany. My husbands family are from Berlin on > the maternal side and Bremen,and Oldenberg, which is Northern > Germany. Perhaps Southern Germany uses this practice, I dont know > as I havent come across it yet. >The Germans are very good at record keeping and recently >Ancestry.com has staretd to list German databases. >Not trying to be argumentative ,just mentioning my own experience. >I have German some genealogy on my webpages if you like to veiw it >http://360.yahoo.com/my_profile-3aZNZP48fqM3elMBsqiyi2PxqPXTUe2OLf7ABjw-?cq=1 > >Some of the names I am researching are Meentzen, Wulfing, Von der >Heydt, Topken, Grote, Schleiper >Randi > >ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Name Puzzel (Lilly Martin) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:37:10 +0200 >From: "Lilly Martin" >Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel >To: >Message-ID: <006b01c73ba2$948da500$7e115658@pcmy> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1256"; >reply-type=original > >Dear Readers, > >Anyone with German ancestors probably already knows this, but just in case >this might be news for some, I will share with you the fact that many if not >most Germans use their MIDDLE name as their CALLING name. > >For example: a baby boy is born to a family, and they christen him as : >Heinrich George . He will be called at home and at school and later in >adult life always as "George". This makes for confusion when after 100-200 >years a genealogist like us goes to look for records and census records, and >finds him legally listed as HENRY, or HEINRICH. It would make you want to >believe you were finding the wrong man, when in reality he used his middle >name as the calling name, and he used his TRUE first name when asked for it >in LEGAL matters such as deeds, court records, and census records. > >This rule holds true for LADIES as well. Margaret Elizabeth is always >called Elizabeth or Lizzie or Libby. Well, where did the Margaret go? They >just did not use it, except on her marriage certificate, or other such legal >papers. > >I am not sure WHY Germans do this, but I have found some Catholic people do >this as well, for example some German Catholics, and some Irish Catholics. >Maybe this tradition, or habit started off in Europe before the Reformation >(Protestant religions) and it just stuck in certain areas. > >Best regards, >Lilly >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:43 AM >Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > > > > Dear Pat and Ken, > > > > I had the same trouble with my Dad's Dad.....all my life Dad told me his > > Dad's name was George Henry but was called "Hank". When I "met" a > > cousin on > > this site, she said the grandfather's real name was Heinrich George -- he > > was > > married to the right grandmother's name, so I know it's him. > > > > I have a boss from Germany who lives on Fenn Road in Medina. She was all > > in > > a tizzy a few years back when the labels she ordered over the phone had > > her > > on "Senn" Road -- sometimes she is hard to understand with the accent, so > > the > > census takers could have had the same problem as Pat suggested. > > > > Alice > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the OHLORAIN list administrator, send an email to >OHLORAIN-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the OHLORAIN mailing list, send an email to >OHLORAIN@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of OHLORAIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 >*************************************** > > > >Randi Bowles-Meentzen > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >Shirley > > >--------------------------------- >The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! 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My husband Mark's family came from Mecklenburg and his German ancestors had as many as three names, and would often pick one of the three as the name they used. And yes, in the German church records that I have it shows ALL THREE NAMES. My husband's third, fourth and fifth great grandfathers all had three names. Freidrich Ludwig Heinrich Krugmann, Johann Karl Heinrich Krugmann and Johann Joachim Karl Krugmann. Respectively they were known as Fred, John and Karl. His Krugman line was not the only German line I found that did that. They were Evangelical Lutheran. Frederick was the last using that custom and he was born in Nov 1843. He migrated to the US in 1872. Karen ----- Original Message ---- From: Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:11:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] OHLORAIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 I also have ancestors who are from Freidewald Cassel in the northern part of Germany and have never found them using the middle name. Shirley Hunt Randi Meetzen <meetzen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: While this may be true in the case of your ancestors, I would not go by this as a hard and fast rule. After years of researching my husbands family, who still lives in Germany, I have never found this to be true. Perhaps it is a regional practice and is the case in certain areas of Germany. My husbands family are from Berlin on the maternal side and Bremen,and Oldenberg, which is Northern Germany. Perhaps Southern Germany uses this practice, I dont know as I havent come across it yet. The Germans are very good at record keeping and recently Ancestry.com has staretd to list German databases. Not trying to be argumentative ,just mentioning my own experience. I have German some genealogy on my webpages if you like to veiw it http://360.yahoo.com/my_profile-3aZNZP48fqM3elMBsqiyi2PxqPXTUe2OLf7ABjw-?cq=1 Some of the names I am researching are Meentzen, Wulfing, Von der Heydt, Topken, Grote, Schleiper Randi ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Name Puzzel (Lilly Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:37:10 +0200 From: "Lilly Martin" Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel To: Message-ID: <006b01c73ba2$948da500$7e115658@pcmy> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1256"; reply-type=original Dear Readers, Anyone with German ancestors probably already knows this, but just in case this might be news for some, I will share with you the fact that many if not most Germans use their MIDDLE name as their CALLING name. For example: a baby boy is born to a family, and they christen him as : Heinrich George . He will be called at home and at school and later in adult life always as "George". This makes for confusion when after 100-200 years a genealogist like us goes to look for records and census records, and finds him legally listed as HENRY, or HEINRICH. It would make you want to believe you were finding the wrong man, when in reality he used his middle name as the calling name, and he used his TRUE first name when asked for it in LEGAL matters such as deeds, court records, and census records. This rule holds true for LADIES as well. Margaret Elizabeth is always called Elizabeth or Lizzie or Libby. Well, where did the Margaret go? They just did not use it, except on her marriage certificate, or other such legal papers. I am not sure WHY Germans do this, but I have found some Catholic people do this as well, for example some German Catholics, and some Irish Catholics. Maybe this tradition, or habit started off in Europe before the Reformation (Protestant religions) and it just stuck in certain areas. Best regards, Lilly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Name Puzzel > Dear Pat and Ken, > > I had the same trouble with my Dad's Dad.....all my life Dad told me his > Dad's name was George Henry but was called "Hank". When I "met" a > cousin on > this site, she said the grandfather's real name was Heinrich George -- he > was > married to the right grandmother's name, so I know it's him. > > I have a boss from Germany who lives on Fenn Road in Medina. She was all > in > a tizzy a few years back when the labels she ordered over the phone had > her > on "Senn" Road -- sometimes she is hard to understand with the accent, so > the > census takers could have had the same problem as Pat suggested. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the OHLORAIN list administrator, send an email to OHLORAIN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the OHLORAIN mailing list, send an email to OHLORAIN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of OHLORAIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33 *************************************** Randi Bowles-Meentzen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Shirley --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message