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>My grandmother was born Mary Barbara and she just hated both those >names and went by Marie. I never Knew that her name was Mary >Barbara and on her marriage certificate from the church it lists her >as Marie B. Schuller, so there weren't many people that she told her >real name too. My mom told me that her name was not Marie, but she >thought it was Barbara Mary. The things I have found out about my >families names is very interesting to say the least Pamela M. Rihel LadyGeneo@adelphia.net No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.24/668 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 1:30 AM

I am just catching up with emails since my computer has been down for a bit. The name puzzle, where people were going by middle names instead of first names caught my attention. My mother goes by her middle name - Jean, because she does not like her first name, Helen. Her younger sister goes by her middle name - Maxine because she refuses to go by her first name - Bertha. She hates it. For years I only knew her as "Aunt Punkin", didn't even know what her real name was. My Mom's older sister goes by the name Pat, her first name is Eleanor and middle name is Marie......supposedly someone called her patsy when she was little and she started calling herself Pat. Jane H.

----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Jackpot This is Philip Beal orginal immigrant who bought land from Heman Ely in !832. While I was gone yesterday the Family history Center called and said that the films were in from Salt Lake. I Spent the afternoon there on the reader looking at church records for Spesburg Germany. 18 Aug 1825 Philip Biehl 24 years old ,son of Theaboold Biehl of Hitchenhousen his wife Maria lisaberha Glisk was married to Maria Eva Schmitt widow of the late Michael Kurz Their first child Eva was born 2 Feb.1926 and was baptized 5 Feb,1826 the God parents were Jacob Schmitt and Maria Eli Betha. The town on the map is spelled Huetschenhausen but the church records spell it Hitchenhoausen. 7 April Michael married Maria Eva Schmitt daughter of Jacob Schmitt of Spesback and his wife Catharina Krick. I haven't found Maria and her birth date of 1826 is wrong. Nor have I found Lewis I think his date is right. WE know they were in Ohio in 1832 and bought land. Ken Gooden

Hello to all, Thanks for bringing up this subject about Oprah Winfrey's genealogy. I was researching my white ancestors in Central Virginia in the 1750-1880 time frame, and another research contacted me asking for my help. She was researching her black ancestors in the same area, same time frame, and they had the same last name as mine. So I started to do some searches online to help her. The 1860 census will not name the slaves. But there were many black people by then who were already free, and they are listed and would be listed as either black or mulatto. The 1850 census has a SLAVE SCHEDULE, it works by listing the OWNERS name, then it will count the number of female or male slaves. No names are used, but at least you can get an idea of numbers, in case you feel you can match someone to that list later. Wills of people will many times list their slaves names, they may be Willing a slave to another person, and sometimes they will make the slave free at the time of their death. I am sure that their are some records of slave sales. The 1870 census would be the FIRST census in which the slaves would be free and should have chosen a SURNAME to use and should be found in a census. The surname was not always their slave master's name. It could be any name they chose to use. There are 2 very nice books which are written that deal with black families who are looking back in their own genealogy in USA. Both have photos as well. "Having Our Say" by the Delany sisters (Sarah L. and A. Elizabeth). "Cane River" by Lalita Tademy. Both of these books are very interesting to read. Concerning DNA tests for use in genealogy www.familytreedna.com A male can have his dna tested, and by the way no blood or needles are used, a male's dna test will reveal the genetic group of his MALE line in a direct line from him to his father, to his father, and onwards in an unbroiken line backwards. This test will not reveal his mother's line or anything about any of the many many grandmother's he had. So that a male who is considered black today, his dna testmight reveal that his earliest male ancestor was a white european man. How is this? What if a slave woman had a son with a white man, that son would have the dna of the white european man. This dna never changes, it is then passed on from father to son. The reverse story is a white man today could have his dna tested and have his test results go back to an African male. How did this happen? A white woman had a son with a slave. Perhaps that son married a white lady, and so on, until so many generations pass, that the man would have no ideas about his biological background. For example: recently in Northern England, some white men, all of the same surname, had been tested for dna. They all showed that their earliest ancestor was an African male. The researchers feel this might have been during the Roman conquest of Britain, perhaps the Romans had African soldiers with them, and they left some sons there in England. There was a time in England when slaves were permitted, but it was ablolished by law in early 1700's. Also, I can recall that there is a professor living in Florida, and he had his dna tested, it goes directly back to Gheghis Khan the Mongolian/Chinese conqueror, who conquerored from China to the Meditereanean Sea. This professor said he has no idea how he is connected to Old Gheghis, but he is. For us women who want to be tested for dna, our results will tell us nothing about our father, or his father. Our results will tell us about our mother, and her mother, and her mother, and going back in a straight unbroken female line. This is something fun to do, get a piece of paper and mark backwards in an unbroken line, listing all your female ancestry, this is your maternal only line. Some people will be ending up at a early Native American woman in colonial 1600's in Virginia, for example, and this dna results will be shown to be a Native American type. Let's say a white european man lands in Jamestown VA in 1607, he finds the only woman available is a Native American tribal lady, and they start a family together. If those kids used their white fathers name, and in turn continued a tradition of marrying other white european people, after a few generations thay may not be aware of their biological roots and their tribal heritage. But dna will prove it. My uncle was William A. Sisemore of Southern California, his dna goes back to a Native American male. He had no Native American culture, or appearance. He looked like a typical white-european mixture, like many Americans. But his dna told a different story. The Sizemore name was in VA in the 1600's. Best regards, Lilly Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: <Alikat42@aol.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] PBS show traced Oprah's roots >I caught a very interesting show on PBS about Oprah Winfrey and how they > traced her family even though the slaves weren't listed in the population > census, but found in owner's records. What a tough time our black friends > have > tracing their roots. At the end, they discussed mitrochondrial DNA and > the > possibility of tracing exactly which tribe Norah's ancestors had been > stolen from > and also that they could possibly find a cousin in Africa who is alive > today > from the same ancestors . WOW. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Karen! I have a lot of certificates to acquire, so this really helps! Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Krugman" <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Ohio death certificates > Cheryl, > > Anytime I can help someone with their genealogy research I try. And using > the Akron Summit death certificate service is a great way to document your > Ohio ancestors. > > You get the death certificate number from the Ohio Historical society. > Then you go to the Akron Summit County library and email their special > Collections. You give them the five certificate numbers & details of the > certificates that you want. Include your name, address and email (I also > give them my phone number). They copy the certificates and mail you a > payment invoice with your five certificates. It takes about 4 weeks total. > There is a $1 per order surcharge and the certificates are .25 each. So > each order of five costs $1.25. I always just send $2.00 figure they can > use it for postage or whatever. > > They limit you to five certs per order and a max of two orders per month. > I appreciate the work that the Historical society does, but right now the > $2.00 works better for me than $6 per shot. > > The Akron Public Library special collections dept is at: > > http://ascpl.lib.oh.us/main-sc.html > > Good luck! > Karen > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Cheryl Bakker <bchef@xtalwind.net> > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Ohio death certificates > > > Karen, > > Thanks for letting us know about ordering from the Akron Library! I'll > have > to check it out. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Krugman" <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> > To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Ohio death certificates > > >> No offense but they charge, I believe $6 for a certificate, that I can >> get >> from the Akron Summit County library for .25... and I order on line and >> they copy and mail to me. I do use their index but for copies I take the >> economy route. >> Karen >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "re5212@aol.com" <re5212@aol.com> >> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:56:28 PM >> Subject: [OHLORAIN] Ohio History Store >> >> >> I came across this today. >> Richelle >> >> >> http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/ >> >> New! Purchase Death Certificates through the You can now purchase >> photocopies of Ohio death certificates online. Use the Index to find an >> select your certificates, save them to your list and click on purchase to >> checkout through the Ohio History Store. Click here for more information >> about the purchase process. This project was funded by a grant from the >> Ameritech Foundation. More precise searching is now available using the >> Advanced Search. >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and >> security >> tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the >> web, >> free AOL Mail and more. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Karen, Thanks for letting us know about ordering from the Akron Library! I'll have to check it out. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Krugman" <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Ohio death certificates > No offense but they charge, I believe $6 for a certificate, that I can get > from the Akron Summit County library for .25... and I order on line and > they copy and mail to me. I do use their index but for copies I take the > economy route. > Karen > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" <re5212@aol.com> > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:56:28 PM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Ohio History Store > > > I came across this today. > Richelle > > > http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/ > > New! Purchase Death Certificates through the You can now purchase > photocopies of Ohio death certificates online. Use the Index to find an > select your certificates, save them to your list and click on purchase to > checkout through the Ohio History Store. Click here for more information > about the purchase process. This project was funded by a grant from the > Ameritech Foundation. More precise searching is now available using the > Advanced Search. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

There is a story about how Charles died in the newspaper files that Ancestor.com has (He was electrocuted by a street light). This was posted in the first edition after his death that was in their database. The editions where his obituary should have been found are not available in their archive. I did not find anything for Frederick. Elvin -----Original Message----- From: ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ohlorain-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rogerlindaohfl@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:27 PM To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] OHLORAIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 40 I was aware of the Ridgelawn cemetery for Charles & Frederick DENN. I called the cemetery but they had limited information. I would like to find obituaries for both of them if they exist. Linda at _rogerlindaohfl@aol.com_ (mailto:rogerlindaohfl@aol.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cheryl, Anytime I can help someone with their genealogy research I try. And using the Akron Summit death certificate service is a great way to document your Ohio ancestors. You get the death certificate number from the Ohio Historical society. Then you go to the Akron Summit County library and email their special Collections. You give them the five certificate numbers & details of the certificates that you want. Include your name, address and email (I also give them my phone number). They copy the certificates and mail you a payment invoice with your five certificates. It takes about 4 weeks total. There is a $1 per order surcharge and the certificates are .25 each. So each order of five costs $1.25. I always just send $2.00 figure they can use it for postage or whatever. They limit you to five certs per order and a max of two orders per month. I appreciate the work that the Historical society does, but right now the $2.00 works better for me than $6 per shot. The Akron Public Library special collections dept is at: http://ascpl.lib.oh.us/main-sc.html Good luck! Karen ----- Original Message ---- From: Cheryl Bakker <bchef@xtalwind.net> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:10:06 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Ohio death certificates Karen, Thanks for letting us know about ordering from the Akron Library! I'll have to check it out. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Krugman" <miprofgenie@sbcglobal.net> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Ohio death certificates > No offense but they charge, I believe $6 for a certificate, that I can get > from the Akron Summit County library for .25... and I order on line and > they copy and mail to me. I do use their index but for copies I take the > economy route. > Karen > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "re5212@aol.com" <re5212@aol.com> > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:56:28 PM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] Ohio History Store > > > I came across this today. > Richelle > > > http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/ > > New! Purchase Death Certificates through the You can now purchase > photocopies of Ohio death certificates online. Use the Index to find an > select your certificates, save them to your list and click on purchase to > checkout through the Ohio History Store. Click here for more information > about the purchase process. This project was funded by a grant from the > Ameritech Foundation. More precise searching is now available using the > Advanced Search. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was aware of the Ridgelawn cemetery for Charles & Frederick DENN. I called the cemetery but they had limited information. I would like to find obituaries for both of them if they exist. Linda at _rogerlindaohfl@aol.com_ (mailto:rogerlindaohfl@aol.com)

No offense but they charge, I believe $6 for a certificate, that I can get from the Akron Summit County library for .25... and I order on line and they copy and mail to me. I do use their index but for copies I take the economy route. Karen ----- Original Message ---- From: "re5212@aol.com" <re5212@aol.com> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:56:28 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Ohio History Store I came across this today. Richelle http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/ New! Purchase Death Certificates through the You can now purchase photocopies of Ohio death certificates online. Use the Index to find an select your certificates, save them to your list and click on purchase to checkout through the Ohio History Store. Click here for more information about the purchase process. This project was funded by a grant from the Ameritech Foundation. More precise searching is now available using the Advanced Search. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Somehow on my email about Oprah, I spelled her name at one point as "Norah's " -- I even used spell check because of mitrochondrial too -- it must have changed Oprah's name to something it recognized -- that's the only thing I can come up with ..... Alice

I caught a very interesting show on PBS about Oprah Winfrey and how they traced her family even though the slaves weren't listed in the population census, but found in owner's records. What a tough time our black friends have tracing their roots. At the end, they discussed mitrochondrial DNA and the possibility of tracing exactly which tribe Norah's ancestors had been stolen from and also that they could possibly find a cousin in Africa who is alive today from the same ancestors . WOW. Alice

"A History of Valentines" presented by Janet Bird of the Lorain County Historical Society will be the program enjoyed at the February 12 meeting of the Lorain County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society at the North Ridgeville Public Library, 35700 Bainbridge Rd., North Ridgeville, Ohio. Mrs. Bird will display antique valentines as she provides an interesting look at valentines in history. Social time is 6:30 pm, followed by the program and a short meeting at 7:00 pm. The public is invited to enjoy this free program that will celebrate Valentine's Day. For further information about the program or about the Lorain County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society, contact Jean at atmmom1@aol.com or John at jaearley@erienet.net Respectfully submitted, Jean Copeland, VP LCC-OGS

In a message dated 1/28/2007 1:22:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com writes: She must be in a Cemetery some where. People don't generally disappear. What happened to her? Where would you look for some sort of a record. Most people don't live very far past 80? Ken ------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Ken, Well, I don't know how many live past 80 but I'm 90 going on 91 so some of us do live that long. I have a sister who is 98 who lives in California. Tom Powell

There are some Lorain County wills on Family History Center microfilm. My film record is a bit dated but there are at least 6 rolls of Lorain will records on microfilm. The dates are from 1840-1904 and they are listed under probate records. This was in 1999, there may be more filmed by now and they should be listed on the familysearch.org website. Carole Schetter

I came across this today. Richelle http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/ New! Purchase Death Certificates through the You can now purchase photocopies of Ohio death certificates online. Use the Index to find an select your certificates, save them to your list and click on purchase to checkout through the Ohio History Store. Click here for more information about the purchase process. This project was funded by a grant from the Ameritech Foundation. More precise searching is now available using the Advanced Search. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Hello, I am looking for a way to find a will from Lorain County. Can someone please advise me on how I might obtain on by mail as I live in Erie, PA and weather is not too cooperative at this time of year. Thank you, Mary ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Because the average life span was so limited before the 20th Century, it's always a surprise to find an ancestor who lived a life that was long even by today's standards. My Swiss-German 5th great grandmother, who was born in the early 1700s, lived into her nineties. Cathy Martin ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24

Linda, This is the inscription from the Ridgelawn cemetery page: DENN Charles H., Nov 19, 1872-Oct 30, 1899 Frederick, d Mar 11, 1883, 32y 8m Rogerlindaohfl@aol.com wrote: > I'm searching for 2 obituaries. I believe they brothers. They are buried at > Ridgelawn Cemetery and both names appear on either side of one headstone. > Frederick E. DENN died 11 March 1879 or 1883 (date is not readable) aged 32 > yr 8 mo. > Charles H. DENN born 19 Nov 1872 and died 30 Oct 1899 > > Thank you in advance for any assistance. Linda at: > _rogerlindaohfl@aol.com_ (mailto:rogerlindaohfl@aol.com) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- Sue Strick, Lorain County Coordinator for OHGenWeb Lorain County Genealogy Page, http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/ L.C. Mailing List, http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/mail.htm