The below website has a good explanation of your question. _http://www.genealogy.com/16_cousn.html_ (http://www.genealogy.com/16_cousn.html)

Hi Alice, I was born in Elyria, as was my Mom and Dad. All my grandparents emigrated from different areas in England. When I was 6, we moved to California for health reasons, but marriage eventually landed me in Vermont, where we have been for 37 or our 47 years. Ken is the one who suggested I get on the Ohlorain site. Technically, he married my mother's brother's daughter, who would be my first cousin for sure. From a technical point of view, what does that make him to me? Emotionally, he is my cousin, period. I agree about giving up and calling them all cousins. Carolyn Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Hello Carolyn > > I know what you mean about eyes glazing over -- I get a headache trying to > figure it out and end up calling them all cousins! I give! :-) > > I am 30 miles SW of Cleveland, OH in a small (but growing) town called > Brunswick. My Dad's family is from Elyria and Lorain and Amherst which is why I > originally went to the OHLoraine site. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you Sande! It's been driving me a bit crazy. When it was just me and my cousin it was pretty easy. Then he has kids and I have one. We both have grandkids now -- I want it sorted out for my daughter so she knows what's going on when I'm no longer around -- hopefully I have another 20 or 30 years or so!! Alice

Hello Carolyn I know what you mean about eyes glazing over -- I get a headache trying to figure it out and end up calling them all cousins! I give! :-) I am 30 miles SW of Cleveland, OH in a small (but growing) town called Brunswick. My Dad's family is from Elyria and Lorain and Amherst which is why I originally went to the OHLoraine site. Alice

Alice, Thanks for asking this question. I have been trying to look it up and can't find the answer. And when someone throws those phrases around, my eyes glaze over. If there is someone out there who can give us a simple explanation, there will be two of us that are happy! Carolyn in Vermont Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know the first and second cousin and first cousin once and > twice removed??? > > My Dad and Aunt were brother and sister so her son and I are first cousins. > That I know for certain. > > My question is: Is my first cousin's son, my second cousin? > > Is my first cousin my daughters second cousin or first cousin once removed? > > Is his son my daughters second cousin once removed? > > I just get all jumbled trying to figure this out. > > Also, are my second cousin's children my 3rd cousins or 2nd cousins once > removed? > How are they related to my daughter? 3rd cousins or 2nd once removed? > Aghhhh. > > Thanks for helping clear this up if anyone can, > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Does anyone know the first and second cousin and first cousin once and twice removed??? My Dad and Aunt were brother and sister so her son and I are first cousins. That I know for certain. My question is: Is my first cousin's son, my second cousin? Is my first cousin my daughters second cousin or first cousin once removed? Is his son my daughters second cousin once removed? I just get all jumbled trying to figure this out. Also, are my second cousin's children my 3rd cousins or 2nd cousins once removed? How are they related to my daughter? 3rd cousins or 2nd once removed? Aghhhh. Thanks for helping clear this up if anyone can, Alice

I have a relationship chart on my home page as well. http://geocities.com/buttermoreclub/Relation.html Ryan --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.

I hope this helps you figure it out. I found it at: http://www.genealogy.com/16_cousn.html Bev If someone walked up to you and said "Howdy, I'm your third cousin, twice removed," would you have any idea what they meant? Most people have a good understanding of basic relationship words such as "mother," "father," "aunt," "uncle," "brother," and "sister." But what about the relationship terms that we don't use in everyday speech? Terms like "second cousin" and "first cousin, once removed"? We don't tend to speak about our relationships in such exact terms ("cousin" seems good enough when you are introducing one person to another), so most of us aren't familiar with what these words mean. Relationship Terms Sometimes, especially when working on your family history, it's handy to know how to describe your family relationships more exactly. The definitions below should help you out. Cousin (a.k.a "first cousin") Your first cousins are the people in your family who have two of the same grandparents as you. In other words, they are the children of your aunts and uncles. Second Cousin Your second cousins are the people in your family who have the same great-grandparents as you., but not the same grandparents. Third, Fourth, and Fifth Cousins Your third cousins have the same great-great-grandparents, fourth cousins have the same great-great-great-grandparents, and so on. Removed When the word "removed" is used to describe a relationship, it indicates that the two people are from different generations. You and your first cousins are in the same generation (two generations younger than your grandparents), so the word "removed" is not used to describe your relationship. The words "once removed" mean that there is a difference of one generation. For example, your mother's first cousin is your first cousin, once removed. This is because your mother's first cousin is one generation younger than your grandparents and you are two generations younger than your grandparents. This one-generation difference equals "once removed." Twice removed means that there is a two-generation difference. You are two generations younger than a first cousin of your grandmother, so you and your grandmother's first cousin are first cousins, twice removed. Relationship Charts Simplify Everything Now that you have an idea of what these different words mean, take a look at the chart below. It's called a relationship chart, and it can help you figure out how different people in your family are related. It's much simpler than it looks, just follow the instructions. Instructions for Using a Relationship Chart 1.. Pick two people in your family and figure out which ancestor they have in common. For example, if you chose yourself and a cousin, you would have a grandparent in common. 2.. Look at the top row of the chart and find the first person's relationship to the common ancestor. 3.. Look at the far left column of the chart and find the second person's relationship to the common ancestor. 4.. Determine where the row and column containing those two relationships meet. Common Ancestor Child Grandchild G-grandchild G-g-grandchild Child Sister or Brother Nephew or Niece Grand-nephew or niece G-grand-nephew or niece Grandchild Nephew or Niece First cousin First cousin, once removed First cousin, twice removed G-grandchild Grand-nephew or niece First cousin, once removed Second cousin Second cousin, once removed G-g-grandchild G-grand-nephew or niece First cousin, twice removed Second cousin, once removed Third cousin Just When You Thought You Had it When you are working with older records, be aware that the meaning of the word "cousin," along with the meanings of other relationship terms, have changed over time. The Glossary section of the Learning Center can help you with any confusing relationship terms, including those in Latin. About the Author This article was written by Genealogy.com staff. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I GoodSearch for ASPCA and Pioneer School among others. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! IT'S FREE FOR YOU AND FOR THE CHARITIES YOU CHOOSE!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Alikat42@aol.com To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Cousins question Does anyone know the first and second cousin and first cousin once and twice removed??? My Dad and Aunt were brother and sister so her son and I are first cousins. That I know for certain. My question is: Is my first cousin's son, my second cousin? Is my first cousin my daughters second cousin or first cousin once removed? Is his son my daughters second cousin once removed? I just get all jumbled trying to figure this out. Also, are my second cousin's children my 3rd cousins or 2nd cousins once removed? How are they related to my daughter? 3rd cousins or 2nd once removed? Aghhhh. Thanks for helping clear this up if anyone can, Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are very welcome. I printed out the chart and put it in one of my genealogy notebooks. Sande Alikat42@aol.com wrote: Thank you Sande! It's been driving me a bit crazy. When it was just me and my cousin it was pretty easy. Then he has kids and I have one. We both have grandkids now -- I want it sorted out for my daughter so she knows what's going on when I'm no longer around -- hopefully I have another 20 or 30 years or so!! Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

I'll try, but it would be easier to diagram: First Cousin: you and your aunt or uncle's son First Cousins once removed: Your first cousin's son and you, that is one generation removed from first cousin on one fork of the tree. First cousin twice removed: your first cousin's grandson and you. Second cousins: your son and your cousin's son. Second cousins once removed: your son and your cousin's grandson. Third cousins: your cousin's grandson and your grandson. Of course, the "son" above is just for example. Gender doesn't matter. Ann Carolyn <cstrothermurray@verizon.net> wrote: Alice, Thanks for asking this question. I have been trying to look it up and can't find the answer. And when someone throws those phrases around, my eyes glaze over. If there is someone out there who can give us a simple explanation, there will be two of us that are happy! Carolyn in Vermont Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know the first and second cousin and first cousin once and > twice removed??? > > My Dad and Aunt were brother and sister so her son and I are first cousins. > That I know for certain. > > My question is: Is my first cousin's son, my second cousin? > > Is my first cousin my daughters second cousin or first cousin once removed? > > Is his son my daughters second cousin once removed? > > I just get all jumbled trying to figure this out. > > Also, are my second cousin's children my 3rd cousins or 2nd cousins once > removed? > How are they related to my daughter? 3rd cousins or 2nd once removed? > Aghhhh. > > Thanks for helping clear this up if anyone can, > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Sande, that is a great help. No more eye glaze for me------- Sande <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> wrote: ok, here goes, briefly.... The children of your first cousin are your first cousins, one removed. Their children and your children are second cousins to each other. Here is a good chart that you can see, and print out: http://lewisgenealogy.com/relate.html I hope this helps, Sande Carolyn wrote: Alice, Thanks for asking this question. I have been trying to look it up and can't find the answer. And when someone throws those phrases around, my eyes glaze over. If there is someone out there who can give us a simple explanation, there will be two of us that are happy! Carolyn in Vermont Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know the first and second cousin and first cousin once and > twice removed??? > > My Dad and Aunt were brother and sister so her son and I are first cousins. > That I know for certain. > > My question is: Is my first cousin's son, my second cousin? > > Is my first cousin my daughters second cousin or first cousin once removed? > > Is his son my daughters second cousin once removed? > > I just get all jumbled trying to figure this out. > > Also, are my second cousin's children my 3rd cousins or 2nd cousins once > removed? > How are they related to my daughter? 3rd cousins or 2nd once removed? > Aghhhh. > > Thanks for helping clear this up if anyone can, > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.

ok, here goes, briefly.... The children of your first cousin are your first cousins, one removed. Their children and your children are second cousins to each other. Here is a good chart that you can see, and print out: http://lewisgenealogy.com/relate.html I hope this helps, Sande Carolyn <cstrothermurray@verizon.net> wrote: Alice, Thanks for asking this question. I have been trying to look it up and can't find the answer. And when someone throws those phrases around, my eyes glaze over. If there is someone out there who can give us a simple explanation, there will be two of us that are happy! Carolyn in Vermont Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know the first and second cousin and first cousin once and > twice removed??? > > My Dad and Aunt were brother and sister so her son and I are first cousins. > That I know for certain. > > My question is: Is my first cousin's son, my second cousin? > > Is my first cousin my daughters second cousin or first cousin once removed? > > Is his son my daughters second cousin once removed? > > I just get all jumbled trying to figure this out. > > Also, are my second cousin's children my 3rd cousins or 2nd cousins once > removed? > How are they related to my daughter? 3rd cousins or 2nd once removed? > Aghhhh. > > Thanks for helping clear this up if anyone can, > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

If Fred Griswold is on the list could you please email me off list please? We corresponded some time ago regarding the DUTE family and I'd like to ask you a few questions about some things I found in my file. Karen Krugman karen@miprofgenie.com Thanks!

The Medina County Genealogical Society will hold their monthly meeting Sunday, February 11, 2007 at 2 pm at the Inn at Medina, 100 High Point Dr., Medina, OH. Social hour begins at 1:30. Margaret Cheney will present a program on "How to use databases and word processing to further enhance your genealogy". This program will show you how to navigate through programs such as Excel or Microsoft Word. Make your own research charts, or put together your own book of information. The public is always welcome to our meetings. There is no charge. For more information, contact Bob Hyde at _hydert@zoominternet.net_ (mailto:hydert@zoominternet.net) or Margaret Cheney at _margcheney@aol.com_ (mailto:margcheney@aol.com) Respectfully submitted, Margaret Cheney Vice-President and Program Chair Medina County Genealogical Society

Stores such as Staples sell USB floppy drives which you can plug into one of your USB ports. I would copy what is on the floppies to a specific directory on your hard drive, then in a separate process burn them to your CD or DVD disk. You can likely get quite a few pictures on one cd disk. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "VIRGINIA VENTRONE" <vmv636@msn.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] genealogists are wonderful, no matter their age > Hi Nancy & Tom > > This is Virginia in Akron Ohio. I just read your E-Mail and like to know > if use can share your information with me. I am doing the same thing but > don't think I'm doing it right . VCR's to DVD. Also how to take a Floppy > to DVD pictures. My new pc don't have a Floppy so what can I buy to > convert it. Thanks for any information you can give me. Virginia > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nancy Meyers<mailto:nmeyers34@yahoo.com> > To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com<mailto:ohlorain@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:24 PM > Subject: [OHLORAIN] genealogists are wonderful, no matter their age > > > Yes Tom, it is so great to be alive! You always had > such a great and helpful attitude. Those are wonderful > qualities that have no age limits. You, privately & > graciously, helped me with my concerns of selecting > the right equipment and gave me a lot of information > on the best way to convert old VHS tapes to DVD's. My > oral histories, family reunions, weddings, graduations > and even funerals will be so important to my children, > grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Please allow me > to thank you openly on this list for your help. > It is amazing how mellow we can become and just how > much insight we can gain about our ancestors way of > life,and their concerns, as the decades go flying by > us? Some days, research is the only thing that keeps > me plugging along. Sure wished that you lived closer. > Your Lorain friend, Nancy Meyers > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Nancy & Tom This is Virginia in Akron Ohio. I just read your E-Mail and like to know if use can share your information with me. I am doing the same thing but don't think I'm doing it right . VCR's to DVD. Also how to take a Floppy to DVD pictures. My new pc don't have a Floppy so what can I buy to convert it. Thanks for any information you can give me. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Meyers<mailto:nmeyers34@yahoo.com> To: ohlorain@rootsweb.com<mailto:ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: [OHLORAIN] genealogists are wonderful, no matter their age Yes Tom, it is so great to be alive! You always had such a great and helpful attitude. Those are wonderful qualities that have no age limits. You, privately & graciously, helped me with my concerns of selecting the right equipment and gave me a lot of information on the best way to convert old VHS tapes to DVD's. My oral histories, family reunions, weddings, graduations and even funerals will be so important to my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Please allow me to thank you openly on this list for your help. It is amazing how mellow we can become and just how much insight we can gain about our ancestors way of life,and their concerns, as the decades go flying by us? Some days, research is the only thing that keeps me plugging along. Sure wished that you lived closer. Your Lorain friend, Nancy Meyers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Patricia, Thanks for the information. I do have the membership info for the Society and had been planning on sending in a membership as they have been so helpful to me in Florida! I did not know about the free research. I am not in a huge hurry, so if you are planning on going to the Recorders Office and have time to look up my query, I would be grateful. In the meantime, I will try and send in the membership. Thanks again, Pat On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 08:22 PM, Patricia wrote: > Dear Patricia, > > Probate will not respond to a call or letter, they are too busy, and > don't mind telling you that! I'd suggest that you hire someone listed > on the Lorain County site, as a for hire researcher. I've had good > luck with them. If you aren't in too big of a hurry, I'll be making a > trip there in March. I don't think the record for which you are > looking is in the Probate Court, but is across the street at the > County Recorders office, which is where I'm planning to go. > > Also, if you join the Lorain County Genealogical Society, they will > give you an hour of research for free, and they do make trips to > downtown Elyria. > > Patricia Daly > > Patricia LeConte <mleconte@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > I am attempting to find out when my grandparents, Edward and Lillian > Malterer, moved to Elyria and bought a house on Bell Ave. I know they > were there in 1918 and not there in 1915. Does anyone know if I write > or call the probate court if they would look up the purchase and mail > me a copy? > Thanks > Pat LeConte > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Patricia, Probate will not respond to a call or letter, they are too busy, and don't mind telling you that! I'd suggest that you hire someone listed on the Lorain County site, as a for hire researcher. I've had good luck with them. If you aren't in too big of a hurry, I'll be making a trip there in March. I don't think the record for which you are looking is in the Probate Court, but is across the street at the County Recorders office, which is where I'm planning to go. Also, if you join the Lorain County Genealogical Society, they will give you an hour of research for free, and they do make trips to downtown Elyria. Patricia Daly Patricia LeConte <mleconte@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: I am attempting to find out when my grandparents, Edward and Lillian Malterer, moved to Elyria and bought a house on Bell Ave. I know they were there in 1918 and not there in 1915. Does anyone know if I write or call the probate court if they would look up the purchase and mail me a copy? Thanks Pat LeConte ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am attempting to find out when my grandparents, Edward and Lillian Malterer, moved to Elyria and bought a house on Bell Ave. I know they were there in 1918 and not there in 1915. Does anyone know if I write or call the probate court if they would look up the purchase and mail me a copy? Thanks Pat LeConte

Great to hear the the 2nd largest library in the country has opened its newly remodeled facility! If you haven't been to the Allen County in Fort Wayne IN you NEED to go! Read on... Sue -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GenealogyGems] Genealogy Gems: News from the Fort Wayne Library, No. 35, January 31, 2007 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:38:42 -0500 From: Genealogy Gems <genealogygems@genealogycenter.info> Reply-To: genealogygems@genealogycenter.info To: sstrick@centurytel.net Genealogy Gems: News from the Fort Wayne Library No. 35, January 31, 2007 In this issue: *What a Grand Opening! *Genealogical and Biographical Directory to Persons in New Netherland from 1613 to 1674 *Kentucky Vital Records *Countdown to Conference 2007 *February Program--Flickr Presentation *Preservation Tip of the Month *Area Calendar of Events *Driving Directions to the Library *Parking at the Library *Queries for the Department *************************************** What a Grand Opening! by Curt B. Witcher *************************************** In case you may not have heard, The Genealogy Center and the rest of the Allen County Public Library opened in our new facility this past Saturday! And what a Grand Opening it was! More than two thousand people came through the Genealogy Center in the first five hours we were open. Library director, Jeff Krull emceed the Grand Opening event, beginning the ceremony with eloquent words about what it took to bring the library and the community to this wonderful new era early in 2007. Library Board President, Jerry Hoemig, reflected on the importance of this twenty-first century library facility for the downtown Fort Wayne area as well as all of Allen County. He recognized various community leaders and officials for their support. Library benefactor, Ted Sloane, spoke about the importance of libraries to education and life-long learning. The keynote speaker was the Chief Justice of the Indiana Supreme Court, Randall T. Shepard. With his congratulations to the library and the Allen County community, the Chief Justice commented on the great importance of libraries to vibrant communities--communities where education, the arts, and cultural appreciation thrive. He contrasted the visionary thinking of those in this institution with the appalling cuts many libraries on the east coast are facing where books that are not among the "hot picks" for a given time period are purged from collections. Then the ribbons to all the departments were severed and the amazement began. The new Allen County Public Library is really something to see! Indeed, it is a must see for anyone interested in libraries and family history. From the new cafe to the expanded computer labs, from the building-wide wireless connectivity to the amazing amounts of printed materials on browsing shelves, the entire library is warm and inviting. The new Genealogy Center complements the library-wide wireless access with thirty-nine Internet terminals and seven additional "catalog only" computers. An HP Digital Sender 9200C provides genealogists with the opportunity to email scanned page images to their personal accounts--or to other researchers with whom they are collaborating. An array of new ST-200 Digital Imaging Systems provide users of the Center's vast microtext collection with the ability to print images they have selected, save those images to a jump-drive or memory stick, or burn the images to a CD-ROM. And of course, all genealogy and local history materials are on open, browsing shelves for ready access by researchers. Many more genealogy and family history programs will be offered in our new facility. The state-of-the-art meeting rooms, computer labs, and fixed-seat theater beg to be used for seminars, workshops, institutes, and programs of all kinds. Watch for forthcoming issues of "Genealogy Gems" to learn of these exciting and worthwhile activities. Indeed, there is a February program announcement further on in this newsletter. You really have to come and experience the facility--both now and in August, when we will be hosting that fantastic Federation of Genealogical Societies conference. More news about that is also in this publication. The Allen County Public Library's Genealogy Center--even more than ever the place to go to discover where you're from! *************************************** Genealogical and Biographical Directory to Persons in New Netherland from 1613 to 1674 by John D. Beatty *************************************** "New Netherland" is a term used to describe the territory of indistinct boundaries, including parts of New York and New Jersey, held by the Dutch West India Company during the first three quarters of the seventeenth century. Settled principally but not exclusively by Dutch nationals, the area also attracted English, Germans, and Swedes, and remained under the administrative control of the company until the Netherlands ceded it by treaty to England in 1674. An important tool for researching this heterogeneous group of seventeenth century settlers is David M. Riker's four-volume "Genealogical and Biographical Directory to Persons in New Netherland from 1613 to 1674" (GC 974.7 R449ge). With a purpose similar to that of Robert Charles Anderson's "Great Migration" series for New England, Riker seeks to document every person who settled in New Netherland during this time period, supplying a genealogical summary of husbands and wives, with lists of children and sometimes grandchildren reconstructed from probate and baptismal sources, and significantly, also including the places of origin in Europe when known. He defines the geographical scope of his study as Manhattan and Staten islands, the Hudson River Valley to Albany and Schenectady, the present Bronx and Westchester County, New York, Bergen County, New Jersey, and the western end of Long Island. Unlike Anderson's work, however, Riker's text consists predominantly of typed family group charts instead of narratives, and he considers his directory to be a work in progress rather than a final, definitive study. In addition, Riker directs readers to information gleaned exclusively from published works that he admits may not always be reliable, rather than also including manuscript sources, which may yield additional and more accurate information. Sources are abbreviated in the text with a key in the introduction. Arrangement is by surname with additional comment at the beginning about the idiosyncrasies of Dutch naming patterns and the widespread use of patronymic surnames that changed with each generation. Because of the complexity of this region, its sources and customs, this printed set is a useful place for beginning research, but it should not be considered a final, authoritative study. *************************************** Kentucky Vital Records by Delia Cothrun Bourne *************************************** The Commonwealth of Kentucky ordered that the recording of vital records commence in 1852, but by 1861, compliance with that mandate had dwindled among the counties. Through the following 50 years, some counties started and stopped keeping records at various times, and even though additional legislation precipitated another start in 1874, by 1879, most counties had stopped keeping records yet again. In 1911, the Commonwealth again began requiring birth and death records. The Genealogy Center has microfilm copies of the early, pre-1911 records, as well as indexes covering 1911 through 1954. Optimistically entitled "1852-1910 Kentucky Birth, Marriage and Death Records," this unindexed collection is contained on 31 rolls of microfilm. The material is arranged by county, the record type (birth, marriage, or death), then roughly chronologically within a specific year. Although a few counties have produced indexes in various formats, if a researcher knows the year and county, a search will not take long. In the 1850s, birth records include date, name of child, whether it was born alive or dead, place, father's or owner's name, mother's name, color of child, and residence. Besides the date and place of the event, marriage records give groom's name, residence, age, indication of the number of the marriage, occupation, and birthplace of him and his parents, with the same information, with the exception of occupation, given for the bride. Later marriage records indicate whether the principals were single or widowed, and record remarks, such as guardian consents. The death records supply date, name, age, gender, marital status, occupation, place of birth, parents or owner, place of death, and residence. Birthplaces of parents and cause of death were added in the 1870s. The listings of places of birth of parents may indicate just the state, but usually a specific county is cited if that state is Kentucky. Also, the place of death is not always the county of record, as in the case of farmer Thomas Taylor, who, according to the Ohio County, Kentucky death records, died in New York City. If the year of an event in your ancestor's life is not covered by surviving records, remember to seek information on siblings. "The Index to Kentucky Birth and Death Records 1911-1938," on 42 rolls of microfilm, is an annual index of both births and deaths, in which the deaths are in bold print. Provided are name, county, date, volume and certificate number, and mother's maiden name for births. On 39 rolls of microfilm, "The Kentucky Birth and Death Records 1939-1954" separate births from deaths, and, by year, supply name, date, county, mother's maiden name, and volume and certificate number for births, and the name, date, age, county of event, a county of residence code, and volume and certificate number for deaths. *************************************** Countdown to Conference 2007! by Elaine M. Kuhn *************************************** The FGS/ACPL 2007 Conference now has its own website! If you plan to attend the conference, to be held in Fort Wayne, Indiana on August 15th-18th, you'll want to take a look at all the website provides. Visitors to the site can view important information regarding registration, exhibits, special events, lodging, and meetings. Check it out at FGSConference.org. While you're inspecting the new conference website, remember to take a look at some of the other area websites that might make your conference trip to and visit in Fort Wayne all the more enjoyable. For basic "getting to know us" information, see the Fort Wayne / Allen County Convention & Visitors Bureau website at www.visitfortwayne.com . The Fort Wayne International Airport's website not only provides flight and airline information, it contains ground transportation and hotel shuttle information as well. See their website at www.fwairport.com. And, of course, stay tuned to the Allen County Public Library's website at www.ACPL.Info and check your monthly issues of "Genealogy Gems" for more Genealogy Center news. With the opening of our renovated building at 900 Library Plaza, there will be many, many events taking place that will be of great interest to genealogists and historians, including the FGS/ACPL Conference in August. Exciting things are happening in the Fort in 2007. Hope you can be a part of them! *************************************** February Program--Flickr Presentation *************************************** Sharing photos and scanned documents has never been easier, thanks to several new online software programs. One of the most popular of these programs is Flickr, and on Tuesday, February 27th at 2 p.m. at the Main Library in Meeting Room A on the first floor, ACPL Librarian Sara Patalita will present, "Using Flickr to Document Your Genealogy." Sara will discuss the ins and outs of Flickr for storing and documenting your historic photographs. There is no charge to attend the presentation, but registration is required. Contact the Genealogy Center at (260) 421-1225 or send an email to Genealogy@ACPL.Info to sign up. *************************************** Preservation Tip of the Month *************************************** Check out this link at the National Archives on "Caring for Your Family Archives." There is a lot to explore and discover there. www.archives.gov/preservation/family-archives/index.html *************************************** Area Calendar of Events *************************************** Allen County Genealogical Society of Indiana (ACGSI) Refreshments at 6:30, meeting at 7:00. Questions: contact Katie Bloom kathrynabloom@verizon.net Wednesday, February 14, 2007, Main Library at 900 Library Plaza: John B. Kalb will speak about early postal correspondence and stampless folded letters. Computer Users Group--Third Wednesday of each month. Questions? Contact Marge Graham, gramar57@aol.com or 672-2585. Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) "First Wednesday" program is suspended for January of 2007 during the Genealogy Center's major move to its newly expanded location at 900 Library Plaza. Look for them on February 7, 2007 in the new department from 9A - 7pm. Expert help from members of the DAR in becoming a member of that organization *************************************** Driving Directions to the Library *************************************** Wondering how to get to the library? Our location is 900 Library Plaza, Fort Wayne, Indiana, on the block bordered on the south by Washington Boulevard, the west by Ewing Street, the north by Webster Street, and the east by the Library Plaza, formerly Webster Street. We would enjoy having you visit the Genealogy Department. To get directions from your exact location to 900 Library Plaza, Fort Wayne, Indiana, visit this link at MapQuest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=900%20Webster%20St&city=Fort%20Wayne&state=IN&zipcode=46802%2d3602&country=US&geodiff=1 >From the South Exit Interstate 69 at exit 102. Drive east on Jefferson Boulevard into downtown. Turn left on Ewing Street. The Library is one block north, at Ewing Street and Washington Boulevard. Using US 27: US 27 turns into Lafayette Street. Drive north into downtown. Turn left at Washington Boulevard and go five blocks. The Library will be on the right. >From the North Exit Interstate 69 at exit 112. Drive south on Coldwater Road, which merges into Clinton Street. Continue south on Clinton to Washington Boulevard. Turn right on Washington and go three blocks. The Library will be on the right. >From the West Using US 30: Drive into town on US 30. US 30 turns into Goshen Road. Coming up to an angled street (State Street.) make an angled left turn. Turn right on Wells Street. Go south on Wells to Wayne Street. Turn left on Wayne Street. The Library will be in the second block on the right. Using US 24: After crossing under Interstate 69, follow the same directions as from the South. >From the East Follow US 30/then 930 into and through New Haven, under an overpass into downtown Fort Wayne. You will be on Washington Blvd. when you get into downtown. Library Plaza will be on the right. *************************************** Parking at the Library *************************************** At the Library, underground parking can be accessed off of Wayne Street. Other library parking lots are at Washington and Webster, and Wayne and Webster. Hourly parking is $1 per hour with a $7 maximum. ALPC card holders may use their cards validate the parking ticket in the Great Hall of the Library. Out of county residents may purchase a subscription card with proof of identification and residence. The current fee for an Individual Subscription Card is $65. Public lots are located at the corner of Ewing and Wayne Streets ($1 each for the first two half-hours, $1 per hour after, with a $4 per day maximum) and the corner of Jefferson Boulevard and Harrison Street ($3 per day). Street (metered) parking on Ewing and Wayne Streets. On the street you plug the meters 8am - 5pm, weekdays only. It is free to park on the street after 5pm and on the weekends. Visitor center/Grand Wayne Center garage at Washington and Clinton Streets. This is the Hilton Hotel parking lot that also serves as a day parking garage. For hourly parking, 7am - 11 pm, charges are .50 for the first 45 minutes, then $1.00 per hour. There is a flat $2.00 fee between 5pm and 11pm. *************************************** Genealogy Center Queries *************************************** The Historical Genealogy Department hopes you find this newsletter interesting. Thank you for subscribing. We cannot, however, answer personal research emails written to the e-zine address. The department houses a Research Center that makes photocopies and conducts research for a fee. If you have a general question about our collection, or are interested in the Research Center, please telephone the library and speak to a librarian who will be glad to answer your general questions or send you a research center form. Our telephone number is 260-421-1225. If you'd like to email a general information question about the department, please email: Genealogy@ACPL.Info. *************************************** PUBLISHING NOTE: *************************************** This electronic newsletter is published by the Allen County Public Library's Historical Genealogy Department, and is intended to enlighten readers about genealogical research methods as well as inform them about the vast resources of the Allen County Public Library. We welcome the wide distribution of this newsletter and encourage readers to forward it to their friends and societies. All precautions have been made to avoid errors. However, the publisher does not assume any liability to any party for any loss or damage caused by errors or omissions, no matter the cause. To subscribe to Genealogy Gems, simply use your browser to go to the website: www.FriendsOfAllenCounty.org. 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