I will be out of the office starting 02/12/2007 and will not return until 02/20/2007. I will reply to your email when I return.

I have chosen to share most information with siblings by dvd on which I have "the book" to date and the family pictures. But without some printed versions available which could last 200 year on good acid free paper, the dvds may be obsolete in a few years. No approach is perfect. Someone in the family needs to recognize the importance of updating to the next generation technology; Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: <NHBigRed@aol.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] OHLORAIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 52 > > In a message dated 2/11/2007 2:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > Hello, > Concerning publishing: here is one suggestion for the pile: how about a > CD, > or DVD of the book? This way you can have an inexpensive format, with > photos as well. You can make alot of them, make the first one, then have > copies made from that, and these could be shared with family, and also > sold > to researchers who happen to be interested and/or connected. > > A hard copy book is lovely, no question, but it is expensive. Just keep > this new format in mind. > Best regards, > Lilly

Hi Sande, I understand what you are saying about older books. Last Christmas, when my daughter and her family arrived, they brought my son-in-law's 7 and 9 year old nephews with them. If the boys had been in my house before, they didn't remember it. So my daughter walked them through the house telling them stories about it and pointing out her favorite things. When she got to the kitchen, she reached for the cookbooks, especially the 40 year old Tampa Bay Gasparilla cookbook. It was easy to find the favorite recipes. The dirtier the page the more frequently the recipe was used, especially the Soft Molasses Cookie recipe. Hee, hee. By the way, we modified that recipe by adding a bag of chocolate chips. It's still the most asked for cookie. Carolyn NHBigRed@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/11/2007 2:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > I've looked into Kinkos and will probably go that way. They have many > options for "binding." One of them, and the one I will most likely use, is the > plastic spiral binding. This way the book can lay flat. It will be like a > notebook. I am going to try to use the best paper possible within my budget so > it will last. > > I know what you are talking about with the older books. I have an old > church cook book, dated 1926, that is "well-loved" but still holds together for > the most part (except those few pages that I reference a lot, the banana bread > recipes, for instance). > > In peace, > Sande > > > > Sande, > When you are ready to get the printing done try and see how much bond paper > would cost at that will last a long time over just regular paper. Most papers > today are made from wood pulp and the acid in the paper will destroy it over > time. Bond paper is made from rags and does not deteriorate like the wood > pulp papers. Bond comes in several types - 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%. indicating > how much rag pulp is in the paper. I used to work in the Government Printing > Office and when we printed material for the Library of Congress we were > required to use 100% Bond paper. It does cost more but it is worth it for lasting > qualities. > Tom Powell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

In a message dated 2/11/2007 2:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com writes: I've looked into Kinkos and will probably go that way. They have many options for "binding." One of them, and the one I will most likely use, is the plastic spiral binding. This way the book can lay flat. It will be like a notebook. I am going to try to use the best paper possible within my budget so it will last. I know what you are talking about with the older books. I have an old church cook book, dated 1926, that is "well-loved" but still holds together for the most part (except those few pages that I reference a lot, the banana bread recipes, for instance). In peace, Sande Sande, When you are ready to get the printing done try and see how much bond paper would cost at that will last a long time over just regular paper. Most papers today are made from wood pulp and the acid in the paper will destroy it over time. Bond paper is made from rags and does not deteriorate like the wood pulp papers. Bond comes in several types - 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%. indicating how much rag pulp is in the paper. I used to work in the Government Printing Office and when we printed material for the Library of Congress we were required to use 100% Bond paper. It does cost more but it is worth it for lasting qualities. Tom Powell

In a message dated 2/11/2007 2:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, ohlorain-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hello, Concerning publishing: here is one suggestion for the pile: how about a CD, or DVD of the book? This way you can have an inexpensive format, with photos as well. You can make alot of them, make the first one, then have copies made from that, and these could be shared with family, and also sold to researchers who happen to be interested and/or connected. A hard copy book is lovely, no question, but it is expensive. Just keep this new format in mind. Best regards, Lilly A CD is a great idea but just remember that copying it to another CD does not make it a lasting thing. CD and DVDs burned on a computer do not approach the life of a pressed Disk. The Commercial publishers in most cases use a pressing to copy the disks and that along with a protective coating helps make them last for quite awhile. In some cases the printed page will outlast the CD. Lots of information out there about this subject if anyone is interested. Tom Powell

Thanks! That is a big help. I was thinking of asking about archival quality paper. The bond paper is a great alternative. Sande NHBigRed@aol.com wrote: Sande, When you are ready to get the printing done try and see how much bond paper would cost at that will last a long time over just regular paper. Most papers today are made from wood pulp and the acid in the paper will destroy it over time. Bond paper is made from rags and does not deteriorate like the wood pulp papers. Bond comes in several types - 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%. indicating how much rag pulp is in the paper. I used to work in the Government Printing Office and when we printed material for the Library of Congress we were required to use 100% Bond paper. It does cost more but it is worth it for lasting qualities. Tom Powell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier "Some family trees have beautiful leaves, but some just have a bunch of nuts. Remember it is the nuts that make the tree worth shaking." ~ Unknown ~ --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.

Hi Sande and others interested, We probably all take slightly different approaches. In case anyone is interested, for one or two copy books I do the following: For the books I have printed from my genealogy program I have purchased a ream of 24 pound acid free paper. I can get this at our local BJ's for about 6.99 for 1 and 1/2 reams of paper. It is probably in the $5 a ream range at Office Max or Staples. I think the 24 pound makes a nicer looking book and is a little more durable than the standard 20 pound weight. I then print my books on a laser printer (cheaper ink than an inkjet) and print some color photos on the color inkjet printer that I have bound inside the book. I always have the program create an index. I tend to just a colored cover for the back and a clear one for the front. If you want to print on back and front of the paper, it might be easier to let Kinkos or Staples or whoever you choose do the printing as well. For some of the lines I put a few pedigree charts at the beginning since a many generation narrative report does not always make it easy to follow the direct lines. I may also include some photocopies of maps, vital records, etc. that I think the recipient of the book might like. Must say, that these are usually well received even though the sentence structure of a genealogy program created book can be a bit stilted and repetitive at times. I do try to write my general notes in a little more varied style. Staples has some reasonable prices for their bindings. You can also have them do binding and printing. I usually just have them do the binding so can't give you a range for the printing. I think Office Max also does the same thing although I have not used them for any genealogy books. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sande" <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Re books not out of style > I've looked into Kinkos and will probably go that way. They have many > options for "binding." One of them, and the one I will most likely use, > is the plastic spiral binding. This way the book can lay flat. It will > be like a notebook. I am going to try to use the best paper possible > within my budget so it will last. > > I know what you are talking about with the older books. I have an old > church cook book, dated 1926, that is "well-loved" but still holds > together for the most part (except those few pages that I reference a lot, > the banana bread recipes, for instance). > > In peace, > Sande > > Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Hello Sande, > > One of my maternal grandmother's cousins published a book called "The > Stilson Family Genealogy" back in 1930 or 1932 -- I cannot locate my > copy -- I know > it is here "somewhere" as I have seen it after we moved into our current > house, just can't figure out where I put it -- anyway, the last time I > went thru > the book (last year) it was still in good condition. It is about the size > of a "Reader's Digest" and was bound with "string" .... the book is 70 > years > old and in good shape so I would think that would be a good way to go. > > I also have books from the 1800's that are still in good shape! I was > taught "take care of something and it will last a long time" so I do and > it does. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our > yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the hints. I have my stuff on my geneaolgy program which puts it into book form but I am not happy with their formatting, so I took all of it, copy and pasted, and put it into Microsoft Word. There I am editing and tweeking it to look like I want it. I have a number of photos and copies of a sample census (I just took one family member census from 1860) to show what they looked like. The way I am organizing is this: I have 3 parts. The first part of the book is my story on the different families in the book, gleaned from all of my research and put into my own words. This includes copies of obits and other newspaper announcements, such as marriages, births, etc that I have found. The second part is the actual genealogy, family trees, etc. The third part is photos, memorabilia, etc. Then, of course, I have an index, which I need to tweek, as I copied the one from the genealogy program and now the page numbers are wrong. I will be a long process of editing and getting it ready and I have decided to not do any more "serious" research at this point, as I think I have enough of a headache finishing this book and I also have pretty much everything I need for it. Sure I would like to go back even further but it isn't going to happen before I print this book. I am stopping the book at the generation of my children, will not include anyone in the next generation. I had to decide where to stop and that just seemed like the best place. It is generation 10 for some of the families I have researched. I have 11 different lines in the book, all leading to myself and my siblings and all on my dad's side!! I am considering giving the book to certain family members for Xmas this year so I have a goal of finishing the editing, etc by October. I have already put the word out to other relatives that I am doing this and if they want a copy that I will tell them how much it costs for me to just print it and they will get copies that way. I had thought of printing it on my own but the amount of ink and paper for probably 20 copies would probably be more than I would pay at Kinkos, including the binding. As of this email I have over 100 pages in the book and I do want to do it on 2 sided paper. All of the photos will be printed in greyscale simply to save money. Thanks again for the ideas. Sande MScheffler <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> wrote: Hi Sande and others interested, We probably all take slightly different approaches. In case anyone is interested, for one or two copy books I do the following: For the books I have printed from my genealogy program I have purchased a ream of 24 pound acid free paper. I can get this at our local BJ's for about 6.99 for 1 and 1/2 reams of paper. It is probably in the $5 a ream range at Office Max or Staples. I think the 24 pound makes a nicer looking book and is a little more durable than the standard 20 pound weight. I then print my books on a laser printer (cheaper ink than an inkjet) and print some color photos on the color inkjet printer that I have bound inside the book. I always have the program create an index. I tend to just a colored cover for the back and a clear one for the front. If you want to print on back and front of the paper, it might be easier to let Kinkos or Staples or whoever you choose do the printing as well. For some of the lines I put a few pedigree charts at the beginning since a many generation narrative report does not always make it easy to follow the direct lines. I may also include some photocopies of maps, vital records, etc. that I think the recipient of the book might like. Must say, that these are usually well received even though the sentence structure of a genealogy program created book can be a bit stilted and repetitive at times. I do try to write my general notes in a little more varied style. Staples has some reasonable prices for their bindings. You can also have them do binding and printing. I usually just have them do the binding so can't give you a range for the printing. I think Office Max also does the same thing although I have not used them for any genealogy books. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sande" To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Re books not out of style > I've looked into Kinkos and will probably go that way. They have many > options for "binding." One of them, and the one I will most likely use, > is the plastic spiral binding. This way the book can lay flat. It will > be like a notebook. I am going to try to use the best paper possible > within my budget so it will last. > > I know what you are talking about with the older books. I have an old > church cook book, dated 1926, that is "well-loved" but still holds > together for the most part (except those few pages that I reference a lot, > the banana bread recipes, for instance). > > In peace, > Sande > > Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Hello Sande, > > One of my maternal grandmother's cousins published a book called "The > Stilson Family Genealogy" back in 1930 or 1932 -- I cannot locate my > copy -- I know > it is here "somewhere" as I have seen it after we moved into our current > house, just can't figure out where I put it -- anyway, the last time I > went thru > the book (last year) it was still in good condition. It is about the size > of a "Reader's Digest" and was bound with "string" .... the book is 70 > years > old and in good shape so I would think that would be a good way to go. > > I also have books from the 1800's that are still in good shape! I was > taught "take care of something and it will last a long time" so I do and > it does. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our > yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.

I've looked into Kinkos and will probably go that way. They have many options for "binding." One of them, and the one I will most likely use, is the plastic spiral binding. This way the book can lay flat. It will be like a notebook. I am going to try to use the best paper possible within my budget so it will last. I know what you are talking about with the older books. I have an old church cook book, dated 1926, that is "well-loved" but still holds together for the most part (except those few pages that I reference a lot, the banana bread recipes, for instance). In peace, Sande Alikat42@aol.com wrote: Hello Sande, One of my maternal grandmother's cousins published a book called "The Stilson Family Genealogy" back in 1930 or 1932 -- I cannot locate my copy -- I know it is here "somewhere" as I have seen it after we moved into our current house, just can't figure out where I put it -- anyway, the last time I went thru the book (last year) it was still in good condition. It is about the size of a "Reader's Digest" and was bound with "string" .... the book is 70 years old and in good shape so I would think that would be a good way to go. I also have books from the 1800's that are still in good shape! I was taught "take care of something and it will last a long time" so I do and it does. Alice ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

Hello, Concerning publishing: here is one suggestion for the pile: how about a CD, or DVD of the book? This way you can have an inexpensive format, with photos as well. You can make alot of them, make the first one, then have copies made from that, and these could be shared with family, and also sold to researchers who happen to be interested and/or connected. A hard copy book is lovely, no question, but it is expensive. Just keep this new format in mind. Best regards, Lilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sande" <aunt_sande@yahoo.com> To: <ohlorain@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Cousins question.... Adams family. > oh pshaw! I like to be called wonderful! LOL > > I was thinking about my cousins today and I looked up my cousin's phone > number. I have not talked to him since I was a teenager and I am 49 now! > Interstingly his sister was visiting today as well so I was able to talk > to her too. We updated each other on the family news, who died, who is > alive, the babies, etc. It was really fun. My dad and his dad (and well, > the rest of my dad's siblings) had a rift that started when I was a teen > (my dad's chosen religion kept him from communicating with his siblings > very often). It was really nice to talk to them and get my info updated > and to see that they are alive and well. Reunions are sooo nice. I told > them that I am almost ready to print a book of our family. > I am hoping to print it before October. > > Does anyone know of any cheap self-publishers? If I can't find one on > the net I will just print it at Kinkos with a wire type binding. If I use > quality paper it will hold up for a long time. Or, does anyone have any > other suggestions? I am putting copies of photos and draft cards, etc in > the book as well as some memoirs and the family trees. One of the trees > that will be in there is of E Collier Adams and Carrie (Hemenway) Adams > who are both buried in Lorain. However, the book will be called "The > Barrett Memoirs and Genealogy." My grandmother was E Collier and Carrie's > daughter, Eunice Rose (Adams) Barrett. If you are related in some way and > want a book, please let me know. > > In peace, > Sande, in Oregon > > Carolyn <cstrothermurray@verizon.net> wrote: > Sande, > > You are wonderful!!! Thank you! Like Alice, I just want this > information for my children and grandchildren, and oh, yes, for me. > > Carolyn > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our > yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Sande, One of my maternal grandmother's cousins published a book called "The Stilson Family Genealogy" back in 1930 or 1932 -- I cannot locate my copy -- I know it is here "somewhere" as I have seen it after we moved into our current house, just can't figure out where I put it -- anyway, the last time I went thru the book (last year) it was still in good condition. It is about the size of a "Reader's Digest" and was bound with "string" .... the book is 70 years old and in good shape so I would think that would be a good way to go. I also have books from the 1800's that are still in good shape! I was taught "take care of something and it will last a long time" so I do and it does. Alice

Add my thanks to Carolyn's -- I thought I was the only person anywhere that didn't understand the cousins questions. Alice

I have thought of that but I worry about media stuff and how long it will be a valid way of preserving things. Think back to the day of reel to reel tapes and how that was suppose to be the way to save things, or 8 tracks, heaven forbid.... just how long did they last? Well, now we have DVDs and CDs but they are beign phased out as well, so what next? Old fashioned paper and ink will not go out of style and you don't need special equipment to look at it, so I am going to print it, but if someone wants an CD I can surely do that but it will be a second choice. Sande Lilly Martin <malik@scs-net.org> wrote: Hello, Concerning publishing: here is one suggestion for the pile: how about a CD, or DVD of the book? This way you can have an inexpensive format, with photos as well. You can make alot of them, make the first one, then have copies made from that, and these could be shared with family, and also sold to researchers who happen to be interested and/or connected. A hard copy book is lovely, no question, but it is expensive. Just keep this new format in mind. Best regards, Lilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sande" To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [OHLORAIN] Cousins question.... Adams family. > oh pshaw! I like to be called wonderful! LOL > > I was thinking about my cousins today and I looked up my cousin's phone > number. I have not talked to him since I was a teenager and I am 49 now! > Interstingly his sister was visiting today as well so I was able to talk > to her too. We updated each other on the family news, who died, who is > alive, the babies, etc. It was really fun. My dad and his dad (and well, > the rest of my dad's siblings) had a rift that started when I was a teen > (my dad's chosen religion kept him from communicating with his siblings > very often). It was really nice to talk to them and get my info updated > and to see that they are alive and well. Reunions are sooo nice. I told > them that I am almost ready to print a book of our family. > I am hoping to print it before October. > > Does anyone know of any cheap self-publishers? If I can't find one on > the net I will just print it at Kinkos with a wire type binding. If I use > quality paper it will hold up for a long time. Or, does anyone have any > other suggestions? I am putting copies of photos and draft cards, etc in > the book as well as some memoirs and the family trees. One of the trees > that will be in there is of E Collier Adams and Carrie (Hemenway) Adams > who are both buried in Lorain. However, the book will be called "The > Barrett Memoirs and Genealogy." My grandmother was E Collier and Carrie's > daughter, Eunice Rose (Adams) Barrett. If you are related in some way and > want a book, please let me know. > > In peace, > Sande, in Oregon > > Carolyn wrote: > Sande, > > You are wonderful!!! Thank you! Like Alice, I just want this > information for my children and grandchildren, and oh, yes, for me. > > Carolyn > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our > yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.

I have these sources (and my comments) on a document from some time back, and haven't checked out these sites recently, but it's worth a try. Apparently I got them all from Cyndi's list... Ann in Iowa KINSHIP-BLOOD RELATIONSHIPS http://www.cyndislist.com/cousins.htm 1. Cyndi's List: http://www.rootscomputing.com/howto/cousin/cousin.htm good 2. Cyndi's List http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/cousins.htm 3. Cyndi's List http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1769/consangu.html 4. Cyndi's List http://home.interpath.net/zanetti/chart2.html good 5. Cyndi's List http://www.grl.com/grl/relationship.shtml 6. Cyndi's List http://www.umanitoba.ca/anthropology/tutor/descent/cognatic/degree.html System of measuring kinship degrees, different systems. 7. Cyndi's List http://www.teleport.com/~willyw/kissin.html 8. Cyndi's List http://members.aol.com/GenTutor/chart.html 9. Cyndi's List http://members.mint.net/dws/geneal/dl01.htm [electronic chart to download] 10.Cyndi's List http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/16_cousn.html [Explanation] 11.Franklin Co. Ohio http://genweb.net/~fcghs/kissing.html Gen-Hist. Soc. http://genweb.net/~fcghs/ At 02:17 PM 2/10/2007, Alikat42@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know the first and second cousin and first cousin once and >twice removed??? > >My Dad and Aunt were brother and sister so her son and I are first cousins. >That I know for certain. > >My question is: Is my first cousin's son, my second cousin? > >Is my first cousin my daughters second cousin or first cousin once removed? > >Is his son my daughters second cousin once removed? > >I just get all jumbled trying to figure this out. > >Also, are my second cousin's children my 3rd cousins or 2nd cousins once >removed? >How are they related to my daughter? 3rd cousins or 2nd once removed? >Aghhhh. > >Thanks for helping clear this up if anyone can, > >Alice > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

oh pshaw! I like to be called wonderful! LOL I was thinking about my cousins today and I looked up my cousin's phone number. I have not talked to him since I was a teenager and I am 49 now! Interstingly his sister was visiting today as well so I was able to talk to her too. We updated each other on the family news, who died, who is alive, the babies, etc. It was really fun. My dad and his dad (and well, the rest of my dad's siblings) had a rift that started when I was a teen (my dad's chosen religion kept him from communicating with his siblings very often). It was really nice to talk to them and get my info updated and to see that they are alive and well. Reunions are sooo nice. I told them that I am almost ready to print a book of our family. I am hoping to print it before October. Does anyone know of any cheap self-publishers? If I can't find one on the net I will just print it at Kinkos with a wire type binding. If I use quality paper it will hold up for a long time. Or, does anyone have any other suggestions? I am putting copies of photos and draft cards, etc in the book as well as some memoirs and the family trees. One of the trees that will be in there is of E Collier Adams and Carrie (Hemenway) Adams who are both buried in Lorain. However, the book will be called "The Barrett Memoirs and Genealogy." My grandmother was E Collier and Carrie's daughter, Eunice Rose (Adams) Barrett. If you are related in some way and want a book, please let me know. In peace, Sande, in Oregon Carolyn <cstrothermurray@verizon.net> wrote: Sande, You are wonderful!!! Thank you! Like Alice, I just want this information for my children and grandchildren, and oh, yes, for me. Carolyn Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

Thanks to everyone who responded. It is so helpful! Thanks to you Alice for starting it all. Carolyn Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the explanation Ann -- I appreciate it! > > Alice Anne > > (we have the "same" name, albiet spelled differently - your first and my > middle) :-) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

You are very welcome. If you lose the link to it, you can generally find info on cousins at cyndis list. Sande Shirley Hunt <shirleyjimbo2000@yahoo.com> wrote: Thank you Sande, that is a great help. No more eye glaze for me------- Sande wrote: ok, here goes, briefly.... The children of your first cousin are your first cousins, one removed. Their children and your children are second cousins to each other. Here is a good chart that you can see, and print out: http://lewisgenealogy.com/relate.html I hope this helps, Sande Carolyn wrote: Alice, Thanks for asking this question. I have been trying to look it up and can't find the answer. And when someone throws those phrases around, my eyes glaze over. If there is someone out there who can give us a simple explanation, there will be two of us that are happy! Carolyn in Vermont Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know the first and second cousin and first cousin once and > twice removed??? > > My Dad and Aunt were brother and sister so her son and I are first cousins. > That I know for certain. > > My question is: Is my first cousin's son, my second cousin? > > Is my first cousin my daughters second cousin or first cousin once removed? > > Is his son my daughters second cousin once removed? > > I just get all jumbled trying to figure this out. > > Also, are my second cousin's children my 3rd cousins or 2nd cousins once > removed? > How are they related to my daughter? 3rd cousins or 2nd once removed? > Aghhhh. > > Thanks for helping clear this up if anyone can, > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

Thanks for the explanation Ann -- I appreciate it! Alice Anne (we have the "same" name, albiet spelled differently - your first and my middle) :-)

great idea. I am still working full time and now have custody of my almost 4 year old grand daughter while Mommy is with her Army Reserve Unit in Iraq. She joined 9-24 right after 9-11 and her number came up. A friend stopped and is watching Hayley for awhile so I can get some stuff done, thank goodness. "One of these days" I hope to do a real "tree" - for now all I have are a bunch of written and printed notes. Alice

Sande, You are wonderful!!! Thank you! Like Alice, I just want this information for my children and grandchildren, and oh, yes, for me. Carolyn Sande wrote: > You are very welcome. I printed out the chart and put it in one of my genealogy notebooks. > > Sande > > Alikat42@aol.com wrote: > Thank you Sande! It's been driving me a bit crazy. When it was just me > and my cousin it was pretty easy. Then he has kids and I have one. We both > have grandkids now -- I want it sorted out for my daughter so she knows what's > going on when I'm no longer around -- hopefully I have another 20 or 30 years > or so!! > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please support me in my walk to find a cure for Cystic Fibrosis > http://www.cff.org/Great_Strides/AlecsandraBihlmaier > > As far as our love flows; as far as our hope grows; as far as our yearning goes; -- we are no farther one from another. ~ L. Annie Foerster > > > > > --------------------------------- > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHLORAIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >