Researchers, Have been gently reminded that there are new people on the list who do not know what OGS refers too. Please see the link that is under my signature below. OGS stands the OHIO GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY. -- Nancy M. Clay Meyers, Lorain OH Genealogy Lookup Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen A proud RootsWeb Supporter Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer http://www.raogk.org Life Member of Ohio Genealogical Society http://www.ogs.org/

In response to >I'm receiveing SPAM mail from genlocator.com claiming Does anyone know anything about them? I'm betting that they have fewer resources than the LDS library. What Do you think? Here's what their SPAM mail says< If you look at the FAQ's on their website, this is what it says. >With the GenLocator database you'll be pleased with the amount of ease and time you will save just by using our services. We do not offer access to a database of records but yet the ability to search billions of online records spanned across the Internet.< So they don't have any records of their own and are just a search engine. Why would anyone pay for this service is beyond me. Dave

Hello Penny, I forwarded this to my cousin, Ron, who was in the Navy during WWII -- he may have gone to school with this man and maybe knows something about him -- I will let you know if he does: Richard Jack Hysell (died from injuries while on duty)& Victor Rudolph Piskuran (Missing in action) Navy pictures May 5th is on one picture. Had to be in the 1940's Alice

Excellent suggestions ... I will definitely check out www.spamkiller.com . I, too, have a long time email address that I have used for about a decade now (surviving many different ISP's that I have used). It's a "logical" email address that costs $7/year (for 3 addresses) from POBOX and they do also a good degree of "tunable" spam filtering as well. That's one thing to check out - www.pobox.com The other "Spam" related item that I have signed on for lately is www.spamcop.net service. I don't just filter away a good deal of spam, I report pretty much all that gets through. I think it's important to keep our mailbox's clean, via good filtering software, but I would also like to do my part to contribute to the policing and shutting down of some of these spam companies out there. There are also a lot of unsuspecting people that have left their 'servers' open for the abuse of these spamming companies, and spamcop.net does a good job of identifying these and letting the owners know. One more idea for people to look into. Regards, WD "Bill" Silverthorn California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Kocak" <Mary_K@centurytel.net> To: <OHLORAIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: [OHLORAIN] Spam > hi, > I know that this is off topic but I think it was this list that was > discussing spam about a month ago. I downloaded a program called spamkiller > at http://www.spamkiller.com I really like it. you can try it free for 30 > days and after that it is a none time fee of 29.95 to register it. I did > decide to register it. I have had the same e-mail address for a long time > and I didn't want to change it. My email address is out there on too many > message boards. > It stops the spam before it gets to your inbox. If you decide to give it a > try though you need to watch the killed mail for about a month because I > found a few things were being sent to my 'killed mail' box that wern't > supposed to go there but it is easy to fix by adding the address as a > 'friend'. > I just thought I would mention this as I know many of us genealogists have > our e-mail adresses posted online and this does generate a lot of unwanted > mail. > Mary > > ______________________________

Hello, I have been going through some of my Mothers old school days and growing up pictures, and clipped news paper articles. Many I do not know, but some had names on the back. Here is a list of the names and what is written on the backs, if anyone knows them they are welcome to the pictures. I may have some names spelled wrong, I am only writting them as they appear, some are faded and some hand writting is sloppy. A couple just have first names but to me unusal so I have listed them also. My mother was Iren Ketchum and she must have known these people at one time. I don't think any are kin, or I would keep them. If they are your kin you are welcome to them. Ruth Bower Shirley Horace 4 girls in one picture Dolly Mae Pals Myrtle Ketchum Estalyn Schulze Box 688 LaGrange, Texas Melvin Bates Ruth Unger age 14 Nov. 27th Ruth Unger Mrs. Meiser/ son Elmer C. Jr. (not yet 1 mo.) News paper article. Uncle Glenn and Aunt Mae Fitch Mr. & Mrs. Jackson & son Fredie Pat A. & Phyliss A. Ruth & Phyliss Hambley Bob Shanback Jessie Miller Helen Lulisky Mr. Dusthiemer Richard Hillier (young boy about 4/5 in a white navy outfit) Betty Hall Eleanor Kelly Betty Hall (Baby) Richard James Hillier Betty Mae Hall Voncille & I (2 teen girls on bikes) Clippings from the Chronicle Telegram: Keefe Brasselle For those that remember the name-he did go to Elyria High Two articles on him. Is any of his family still here? His grandparents were Mr. & Mrs. H.W. Pridle, 140 W. Bridge St. Aunt and Uncle Mr. & Mrs. Ralph Brasselle 126 Berkley Dr. Richard Jack Hysell (died from injuries while on duty)& Victor Rudolph Piskuran (Missing in action) Navy pictures May 5th is on one picture. Had to be in the 1940's Justin J. Plas Killed in action Tuesday June 9, 1942 Girls Complete High School Despite Handicaps Beverly Mae Yanke Doris Mae Thompson Shirley Byam

Can someone help me. Do I need to know the city someone got married in to find a marriage certificate? All I'm assuming is that it was in Pa. or Ohio. I'm not even sure of the year possibly 1935 to 1940. Thanks Debby

I don't know anything about this particular site, but many of them charge a fee and then just link you to Ancestry.com, FamilySearch.org and other large database sites that you can access yourself. If the recommendation comes from an actual list member I usually at least go there and have a look. If it's just an "ad" email that comes I delete it. Sharon

Does anyone know if autopsy records from Lorain Ohio in 1946 are available? Where would I start with that? Thanks Debby...

hi, I know that this is off topic but I think it was this list that was discussing spam about a month ago. I downloaded a program called spamkiller at http://www.spamkiller.com I really like it. you can try it free for 30 days and after that it is a none time fee of 29.95 to register it. I did decide to register it. I have had the same e-mail address for a long time and I didn't want to change it. My email address is out there on too many message boards. It stops the spam before it gets to your inbox. If you decide to give it a try though you need to watch the killed mail for about a month because I found a few things were being sent to my 'killed mail' box that wern't supposed to go there but it is easy to fix by adding the address as a 'friend'. I just thought I would mention this as I know many of us genealogists have our e-mail adresses posted online and this does generate a lot of unwanted mail. Mary

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Researchers, When taking librarian training classes for the FHC Library (fka LDS library) in 1982, we were told that compiled databases & indexes etc had a 17% errors rate of dates, spelling, omissions and duplication. I know that rate has been greatly improved upon but realistically we can still expect some of the same thing when human minds and human hands are doing the work. We are all very aware of errors that appear in primary sources, and must proceed with caution. Please remember CITE YOUR SOURCES, even if the information is told to you. The late Richard S. Lakey was prompting us to do just that when he wrote that book in 1980. The internet has brought upon us a whole new set of research problems. Please read (at least page 17) EVIDENCE: citation & Analysis For The Family Historian, 1997, by Elizabeth Shown Mills. Most all genealogy departments have these two books, probably circulating copies too. -- Nancy M. Clay Meyers, Lorain OH

HI All, I have a question for anyone that may be in England or has been in England recently. My sister and brother-in-law will be leaving for England next week. They will be there for 2 months. My brother-in-law is being sent there dealing with his job. Anyway, here in the states they use JUNO to connect. What provider, other than AOL, can they use in ENGLAND???? They will be in the area of Leeds, and Pontefract. Any help anyone can give would be greatly appreciated...... Thanks.... Jane (Spurlock) Hoholski

In a message dated 4/20/2002 5:08:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, OHLORAIN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I also highly recommend the set of CD's the Mormon Church has recently released on the 1880 census. The set comes with 55 CD's, including about 20 just for the National Index. >> Hi, I hasten to add that the Census for 1880 that I mentioned before was the one the LDS CD set mentioned above. Sorry if I mislead anyone. Tom Powell

In a message dated 4/20/2002 5:08:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, OHLORAIN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Researchers, Lately, have had a few new people express their disappointment because their ancestors are not found in the 1880 soundex. Lets review for a moment. Only the families with children ages 10 and under were included in the Soundex. So the Soundex is somewhat limited in that regard. However, the OGS 1880 census project (took from 1981 to 1991 complete), has indexed EVERY head of household, plus anyone in the house with a different last name and any persons older than the head of household; plus all those in an institution. >> Hi Nancy, I was disappointed to find that my William Powell family that was in the 1880 Soundex with children under 10 Census of Gallia County, Ohio was not to be found in the regular 1880 Census that I bought with that in mind. I looked at the 1880 Soundex with children under 10 at the National Archives in Washington, DC. I also could not find my Ireland Family in the regular 1880 Census for Nebraska but they were in the 1880 Soundex with children under 10. All in all I struck out with the 1880 Census for my records. Tom Powell

Hi, Lorain List, I also highly recommend the set of CD's the Mormon Church has recently released on the 1880 census. The set comes with 55 CD's, including about 20 just for the National Index. There are many features and ways to find people, including the "neighbors" of our ancestors. We had a demonstration at one of our meetings last week on this. One can use the search terms without last names, pull up people by first names only by birthday and place and do "wild card" searches, using the first few letters, then an asterik. You can search by state, county and town without the name, also. I think most Family History Centers have it by now. It is well-worth looking into for 1880. Carole in CO -----Original Message----- From: NM Meyers [mailto:nmmeyers@centurytel.net] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:58 AM To: OHLORAIN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OHLORAIN] 1880 census Researchers, Lately, have had a few new people express their disappointment because their ancestors are not found in the 1880 soundex. Lets review for a moment. Only the families with children ages 10 and under were included in the Soundex. So the Soundex is somewhat limited in that regard. However, the OGS 1880 census project (took from 1981 to 1991 complete), has indexed EVERY head of household, plus anyone in the house with a different last name and any persons older than the head of household; plus all those in an institution. -- Nancy M. Clay Meyers, Lorain OH Genealogy Lookup Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen A proud RootsWeb Supporter Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer http://www.raogk.org Life Member of Ohio Genealogical Society http://www.ogs.org/ ==== OHLORAIN Mailing List ==== Visit the Lorain County Genealogy page http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen

Researchers, Lately, have had a few new people express their disappointment because their ancestors are not found in the 1880 soundex. Lets review for a moment. Only the families with children ages 10 and under were included in the Soundex. So the Soundex is somewhat limited in that regard. However, the OGS 1880 census project (took from 1981 to 1991 complete), has indexed EVERY head of household, plus anyone in the house with a different last name and any persons older than the head of household; plus all those in an institution. -- Nancy M. Clay Meyers, Lorain OH Genealogy Lookup Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen A proud RootsWeb Supporter Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer http://www.raogk.org Life Member of Ohio Genealogical Society http://www.ogs.org/

To the researcher wanting to know where cemeteries are in this and the next county please see OGS's 1978 OHIO CEMETERIES, reprinted 1998 and also OGS's 1990 OHIO CEMETERIES ADDENDUM. These are available in Lorain, Elyria libraries and Fairview Park and other cites with genealogy departments. These are indexed by county. There is an update planned for the Bi-Centennial year. -- Nancy M. Clay Meyers, Lorain OH Genealogy Lookup Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen A proud RootsWeb Supporter Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer http://www.raogk.org Life Member of Ohio Genealogical Society http://www.ogs.org/

I haven't had so much of an unusual obituary, however, I thought I'd share this one as it is one of the most poetic, and heartfelt obits I have ever read... CAPT. PORTER, OLD SHIP MASTER, ENTERS PORT This week a schooner, a representative type of vessels that are fast dissapearing from the chain of lakes, ??ssing before the march of progress as represented by the steam propellers - sailed from Lorain on its last lake trip. Last evening, a represenative of the old school of shipmasters, those daring navigators who sailed, really sailed by sid of wind and sail, ended the long voyage of life and was gathered into the harbor of eternity by the command of the Master of all navigators. Capt. Julian "Dick" Porter, passed away last evening at his home, 1144 West Erie Ave. after an illness of 5 days and after several months of ill health. Gently did the breeze die under the sails of the life craft of Capt. Porter. The craft suddenly reached a calm, the frame quivered and death assumed command. There was no struggle, no shoals, no big seas. The spirit which had once unflinchingly faced storm and disaster was quiet. The daring nature which had driven the "Three Brothers" into numerous harbors under full sail was quietly stilled. Shipped Before Mast Capt. Porter was the son of Mr. & Mrs. Nathaniel Porter and was born in Lorain on St. Patrick's Day, 1846. He had practically made his residence here continuously although many years of his earthly existence was spent on the waters of the chain of lakes. From boyhood he longed for the life of a sailor. The longing was gratified. He shipped early as a sailor before the mast. Advancement came to him rapidly because of his love for his work. Soon he possessed a master's papers and then came his proudest moment when he sailed in his own vessel the "J. U. Porter", a schooner widely known in its day. Sails from Ships After years of sailing on the "Porter", Capt. Porter became the owner of the "Three Brothers" a schooner that was famous on all the lakes. He and his boat became known in every port. The high masts among the tallest on the lakes, were easily sited rising above the horizon. They knew no obstructions and it was common comment that wires were never to high for Captain Porter to tear down. Clinging to his schooner the deceased sailor would not give up the fight. The modern means of lake transportation drove him from the ports where cargoes were rich. He fought grimly and determinedly against great odds and finally but reluctantly retired five years ago when he was appointed master of the Lorain Harbor by F.J. King, then mayor of the city. He held the position continuously up to the time of death and was ever on watch on the docks and bridges in the performance of duty. Recalls Days of Youth A pathetic incident in Capt. Porter's life came last week when the three masted schooner G.J.Boyce, sailed into Lorain harbor. The harbor master was back in his element again. It seemed as if he had been transplanted into his young manhood. His steps were more sprightly. He visited the Boyce a score of times, inspecting every foot of her. "Here is a real boat." he said. "This captain here is a shipmaster. That fellow on that iron boat over there is a steamboatman. He is not a sailor." Capt Porter was married in 1880 to Miss Elizabeth McCurry of Detroit. He brought his bride to this city and here was born to them a family of five daughters, who with thier mother survive. The daughters are Misses May, Clara, Helen and Irene Porter, and Mrs T. A.Peets. Two brothers, Samuel Porter of Grand Rapids and Alex Porter, 503 Washington Ave Lorain, and two sisters, Mrs. Caroline Miller and Mrs.John McConnell both of Ashland also survive. Mrs. McConnell was a twin sister of the deceased navigator. Capt Porter was identified with the Knights of the Macabees. He was also a member of St. Mary R.C. church. The funeral services will probably be conducted from that church Monday morning at 8:30. The Rev. John J. Johnson will be in charge. The body will be buried in Calvary Cemetery. _______________________________________

Researchers, Viewed with pleasure, the obituaries and photos that our 2000 First Family of Lorain County inductee, Michael Doyle Miller recently has had posted by Amy at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohlorain/pictures/index.htm on his FOLEY and CALLAHAN ancestors from the Grafton area. In the obituary, you will read that three generations had attended the "Obsequies" of Julia Callahan Foley. Now that is a word I have not read seen in print for many years. Have you come across any unusual obituaries in your research? -- Nancy M. Clay Meyers, Lorain OH Genealogy Lookup Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen A proud RootsWeb Supporter Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Volunteer http://www.raogk.org Life Member of Ohio Genealogical Society http://www.ogs.org/

David P. Morgan 1801-1878 left bequests for four grandchildren..three of whom were minors. We would like to make contact with descendants of the following ALBERT H. MORGAN s/o William Morgan 1837-1862 we would like to know his mother's name and who Sirenia Earl was and why she was his guardian. JAMES E. MORGAN son of Jane or Sarah Jane Morgan.. WILLIAM HULBERT (Hurlburt) Morgan , guardian for his brother James. we do not know when their mother passed away or who their father was. We do not believe William and Sarah Jane stayed in Grafton after marriage..and it is possible James and William H. were born in Michigan..they were possibly in KS. in 1880 when the will was probted. Marilyn L. Canfield mlcan@att.net 4/17/2002