Interesting, Jane. This does help. So James Marsh, b. in England 9 Oct 1858, son of John and Louisa (Sutton) Marsh who d. 30 March 1883 (buried with Marsh family in Butternut Ridge) left a son, Charles B. Marsh, b. 1880 (gravestone) or 1881 (census). Charles' mother was Ann Alice Grills... but who was "Henry," listed as their six-year old son in the 1880 census? And Ann bore him at age 14? Henry is listed on the census as b. in Ohio. Charles was living on North Island Road in North Eaton, OH with his paternal uncle, William Grills and his grandmother, Alice (Gist) Grills in 1900 (census). He was mentioned in his Aunt Ellen's will as residing in Columbia Station, OH in 1924. That is all I know, so far, although it is good to know who his mother was. I wish I understood why the Marsh family disconnected from James' family after his death. I'll let you know if I learn anything else about Charles Marsh; thanks for the information. There is further information about Annie Grills (Marsh) (Grills') children with whom she was residing in 1930 in the census; they were Harley, Harvey and Warren. Do you have access to that information? If not I am happy to transcribe it for you. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: m absalom [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [OHLORAIN] Re: Grills-Marsh Cindy, The Tree below may help you a little. Do You know what happened to Charles Marsh? Marriage? Children? If you can add to this or have questions concerning the Grills family let me know. Descendants of Alice Gist 1 Alice Gist b: July 11, 1827 Killhampton 1841 Cornwall,England age 12 servant d: April 09, 1907 Burial: Butternut Ridge .+James Grills b: April 15, 1828 Marhamchurch 1841 Servant England d: January 14, 1891 Father: John Grills Mother: Elizabeth Rogers Burial: Butternut Ridge 2 John Henry Grills b: January 31, 1853 d: September 25, 1882 Burial: Butternut Ridge 2 William Grills b: November 04, 1854 Cornwall d: September 27, 1928 Elyria Memorial Burial: Butternut Ridge informant Harley E. Grills 2 Ann Alice Grills b: September 22, 1858 Cornwall, England d: May 04, 1933 Grafton, Ohio Burial: May 06, 1933 Lagrange Cemetery ...+Marsh . 3 Charles Marsh *2nd Husband of Ann Alice Grills: ... +John Grills b: March 31, 1858 Marhamchurch Cornwall, England/ of Grafton m: Abt. 1890 First Cousins d: November 04, 1916 of Pitsfield, at home, LaGrange, Ohio Father: Thomas Grills Mother: Thomsin Penfound Burial: November 1916 Lagrange Cemetery Jane Researching Cornish(ENG)connections to Lorain Co. --- [email protected] wrote: > > OHLORAIN-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 57 > > Today's Topics: > #1 MARSH (and GRILLS?) family puzzle ["Cynthia > Amidon" <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from OHLORAIN-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > ______________________________> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:18:23 -0400 > From: "Cynthia Amidon" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: MARSH (and GRILLS?) family puzzle and vital > records question > > Good Morning, > > I am working on a family who used to live on my farm > in North Eaton and > census records have yielded some interesting > aberrations that I need to > research further. The family is that of English > immigrant John Marsh > (1811-1888), his wife Louisa (Sutton) (1821-1905) > and their children, > Mary E. "Ellen" (1851-1924), James (1858-1883) and > William (1857-1924). > Although Ellen and William are listed as single in > every census until > their deaths within a few days of each other in > 1924; in the 1880 census > Ellen is marked "widowed/divorced." > > In the same census, James is listed as married to > "Annie" (20 years old, > b. England) with a six-year old son, Henry. James > disappears by the next > census; he apparently died...and there is no > Anne/Annie/Anna Marsh > anywhere that I can find. But John Marsh's 1888 > probate record lists his > wife, Ellen, William and a "grandson," Charlie B. > And Ellen and William > are listed as dying without heirs, although Ellen > left $500 to Charles > B. Marsh, her "nephew," then living in Columbia > Station (1924)although > the majority of her estate went to the children of a > cousin. There is no > mention of James' wife and son, even though they > lived in the same house > in 1880. The only record of a Charles B. Marsh is > one living in North > Eaton in 1900 with a William Grills (across the > street from the farm > where the Marsh's lived), listed as his "nephew." > Louisa's will and > probate in 1905 only list Ellen and William as > heirs. > > The Marsh family gravestone in Butternut Ridge > Cemetery lists a "Charles > (1880-1948). Anyone know anything about this family? > > My second question is whether there are Vital > Records available for this > area that might shed light on this family. Any other > suggestions for > research? > > Thanks in advance, > > Cindy > __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest ==== OHLORAIN Mailing List ==== Search the Archive of Messages for OHLORAIN Mailing List http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHLORAIN

Cindy, The Tree below may help you a little. Do You know what happened to Charles Marsh? Marriage? Children? If you can add to this or have questions concerning the Grills family let me know. Descendants of Alice Gist 1 Alice Gist b: July 11, 1827 Killhampton 1841 Cornwall,England age 12 servant d: April 09, 1907 Burial: Butternut Ridge .+James Grills b: April 15, 1828 Marhamchurch 1841 Servant England d: January 14, 1891 Father: John Grills Mother: Elizabeth Rogers Burial: Butternut Ridge 2 John Henry Grills b: January 31, 1853 d: September 25, 1882 Burial: Butternut Ridge 2 William Grills b: November 04, 1854 Cornwall d: September 27, 1928 Elyria Memorial Burial: Butternut Ridge informant Harley E. Grills 2 Ann Alice Grills b: September 22, 1858 Cornwall, England d: May 04, 1933 Grafton, Ohio Burial: May 06, 1933 Lagrange Cemetery ...+Marsh . 3 Charles Marsh *2nd Husband of Ann Alice Grills: ... +John Grills b: March 31, 1858 Marhamchurch Cornwall, England/ of Grafton m: Abt. 1890 First Cousins d: November 04, 1916 of Pitsfield, at home, LaGrange, Ohio Father: Thomas Grills Mother: Thomsin Penfound Burial: November 1916 Lagrange Cemetery Jane Researching Cornish(ENG)connections to Lorain Co. --- [email protected] wrote: > > OHLORAIN-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 57 > > Today's Topics: > #1 MARSH (and GRILLS?) family puzzle ["Cynthia > Amidon" <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from OHLORAIN-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > ______________________________> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:18:23 -0400 > From: "Cynthia Amidon" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: MARSH (and GRILLS?) family puzzle and vital > records question > > Good Morning, > > I am working on a family who used to live on my farm > in North Eaton and > census records have yielded some interesting > aberrations that I need to > research further. The family is that of English > immigrant John Marsh > (1811-1888), his wife Louisa (Sutton) (1821-1905) > and their children, > Mary E. "Ellen" (1851-1924), James (1858-1883) and > William (1857-1924). > Although Ellen and William are listed as single in > every census until > their deaths within a few days of each other in > 1924; in the 1880 census > Ellen is marked "widowed/divorced." > > In the same census, James is listed as married to > "Annie" (20 years old, > b. England) with a six-year old son, Henry. James > disappears by the next > census; he apparently died...and there is no > Anne/Annie/Anna Marsh > anywhere that I can find. But John Marsh's 1888 > probate record lists his > wife, Ellen, William and a "grandson," Charlie B. > And Ellen and William > are listed as dying without heirs, although Ellen > left $500 to Charles > B. Marsh, her "nephew," then living in Columbia > Station (1924)although > the majority of her estate went to the children of a > cousin. There is no > mention of James' wife and son, even though they > lived in the same house > in 1880. The only record of a Charles B. Marsh is > one living in North > Eaton in 1900 with a William Grills (across the > street from the farm > where the Marsh's lived), listed as his "nephew." > Louisa's will and > probate in 1905 only list Ellen and William as > heirs. > > The Marsh family gravestone in Butternut Ridge > Cemetery lists a "Charles > (1880-1948). Anyone know anything about this family? > > My second question is whether there are Vital > Records available for this > area that might shed light on this family. Any other > suggestions for > research? > > Thanks in advance, > > Cindy > __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

Good Morning, I am working on a family who used to live on my farm in North Eaton and census records have yielded some interesting aberrations that I need to research further. The family is that of English immigrant John Marsh (1811-1888), his wife Louisa (Sutton) (1821-1905) and their children, Mary E. "Ellen" (1851-1924), James (1858-1883) and William (1857-1924). Although Ellen and William are listed as single in every census until their deaths within a few days of each other in 1924; in the 1880 census Ellen is marked "widowed/divorced." In the same census, James is listed as married to "Annie" (20 years old, b. England) with a six-year old son, Henry. James disappears by the next census; he apparently died...and there is no Anne/Annie/Anna Marsh anywhere that I can find. But John Marsh's 1888 probate record lists his wife, Ellen, William and a "grandson," Charlie B. And Ellen and William are listed as dying without heirs, although Ellen left $500 to Charles B. Marsh, her "nephew," then living in Columbia Station (1924)although the majority of her estate went to the children of a cousin. There is no mention of James' wife and son, even though they lived in the same house in 1880. The only record of a Charles B. Marsh is one living in North Eaton in 1900 with a William Grills (across the street from the farm where the Marsh's lived), listed as his "nephew." Louisa's will and probate in 1905 only list Ellen and William as heirs. The Marsh family gravestone in Butternut Ridge Cemetery lists a "Charles (1880-1948). Anyone know anything about this family? My second question is whether there are Vital Records available for this area that might shed light on this family. Any other suggestions for research? Thanks in advance, Cindy

One of my independent Lorain County genealogy projects is abstracting LC divorces, from various sources, up thru 1930. Todate have over 500. If you want to send a name & date of a divorce that was granted in Lorain County, will add it to this list. mailto:[email protected] Alas these solo projects take a very long time. This divorce project was started in 2001. When completed, it will be donated on a CD to local libraries and the OGS Library in Mansfield. BTW, it is snowing here in Lorain OH on this April 2nd. Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen

Doris, if you are out there, please contact me at [email protected] I have some information for you.

I also have Mills in my family. My great grandparents.

Thanks, Nancy for the reminder of our speaker and topic for the April meeting. There was an error in posting on the website for the Chapter. The meeting place for the April meeting is the Oberlin Public Library - not the North Ridgeville Library. We apologize for the confusion. Al always, we look forward to an interesting evening. Margaret Cheney President - Lorain County Chapter

Hi Joe - My son-in-law's grandmother was a Radcliffe and her family was from the Camden area. My daughter is on the Lorain Co. list and I will have her get in touch with you regarding what info she has on the Radcliffe family (don't think she has much but might be able to help with some info). Also the Betts, Radcliffe, Hurd and Mills names are in the Brighton and Camden areas. There was a Bessie Foote that lived in Rochester Twp which is south of Camden and Brighton. Also there is a Carra Perkins Foote buried in the Rochester Center Cemetery. If I can help in some way please let me know and I will do what I can. Are you in the Lorain County area? Lois Baker Rochester Twp. jbweiss wrote: > I am new to this list. My surnames of interest are Betts, Foote, Mills, > Radcliffe, Hurd, probably more that I haven't found. Be glad to exchange > info on any of these lines. > > Joe > > ==== OHLORAIN Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for OHLORAIN Mailing List > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHLORAIN

Thank you Margaret for the correct meeting place. I would have gone to NR wheeling in a box of books that I have promised to the Director at NR library. Margaret <[email protected]> wrote:Thanks, Nancy for the reminder of our speaker and topic for the April meeting. There was an error in posting on the website for the Chapter. The meeting place for the April meeting is the Oberlin Public Library - not the North Ridgeville Library. We apologize for the confusion. Al always, we look forward to an interesting evening. Margaret Cheney President - Lorain County Chapter ==== OHLORAIN Mailing List ==== Search the Archive of Messages for OHLORAIN Mailing List http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHLORAIN Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen

Joe, You might want to contact First Families inductee #81 at the Lorain County genealogy website.Scroll down and click on the Lineage Societies link for some info on two of your surnames of interest. The HISTORY of CAMDEN TOWNSHIP by F.E.Weeks will probably give you more info. That source is inexpensive and still available from the Wellington Genealogy Group. Contact Linda at <[email protected]> Keep us posted on how your LC research comes along. Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen

Sorry, did not do a spell check on that last email. Henry's last name is actually spelled TIMMAN. Sorry! Nancy

Fellow researchers, Just a word of encouragement.....if you have never heard Henry Tinman speak, then I hope that you can make the April 11th Chapter meeting at the North Ridgeville Library. You are in for a real treat. He has spoken for the Chapter several times in past years. He is a highly respected speaker on the OGS circuit and is an author of several genealogy publications. ( am fortunate to own all of them). Henry is aka the Huron County historian. He broadcast a weekly genealogy radio program for years from Norwalk. He is an active member of the SAR. His delightful Marty almost always accompanies him at conferences and seminars. Hope to see some of you there. Nancy Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen

Joe there are plenty of Foote's in Cuyahoga county too, including the owners of a large outdoor nursery/produce stand on Canal Road in Valley View.... Terri in Chardon, Ohio

I am new to this list. My surnames of interest are Betts, Foote, Mills, Radcliffe, Hurd, probably more that I haven't found. Be glad to exchange info on any of these lines. Joe

Story from the Tuesday, March 29, 2005 Edition of the Chronicle Telegram Dispute halts grave digging Work stops at ‘Blue Girl’ burial site Shawn Foucher The Chronicle-Telegram HUNTINGTON TWP. — A disagreement between a resident and land owner over a township property where a 142-year-old grave was discovered last week has brought a screeching halt to any further discoveries at the location, according to both men. Dan Dailey found the grave of 3-year-old Hattie Adele Pratt on March 24 while digging a posthole in a barn on the property. Hattie was the subject of the portrait “Blue Girl,” painted by famed “Spirit of ’76” artist Archibald Willard, who died in 1918. According to a newspaper article from the late-19th century, Hattie died of Diphtheria in 1862. Willard painted the portrait of the girl from a photograph taken before her death. Dailey said he was waiting to hear from Pratt family descendants before doing anything further with the grave, but Russell Pruitt, of Virginia, the man who had arranged to sell Dailey the property under a contract signed in May 2004, says the agreement has been breached. “Right at this moment, I’m going to say that I don’t want to sell to him,” Pruitt said. Pruitt said payments required under the contract have not been made and Dailey’s option to purchase has been voided. The contract calls for Dailey to make a $15,000 down payment followed by 59 consecutive monthly payments of $1,600. There are still several people interested in buying the property, Pruitt said. “I called (Dailey). I said listen, I don’t know what you’re doing over there, but don’t touch anything else,” Pruitt said. “And don’t do anything to disturb anything else. The Historical Society has talked with us, and I want to preserve the integrity and sanctuary of what is there.” Dailey said he was simply doing repairs to a barn that he thought would be his — under the contract — and had no idea something like the grave would turn up. “The alpaca farm is worth more to me than this tombstone,” Dailey said. “If I misspoke in all the excitement and said that I now own the farm, I apologize. I have the option to buy, and I was still working to pursue that option. I was just waiting for the paperwork to go through yet.” Pruitt, who bought the farm in 1964, said he believes the Pratt family is buried on the property beneath the barn floor. “I always had a feeling that the Pratt family probably did use that as their family burial plot,” Pruitt said. “I always wondered why that floor was raised up a little bit, and then it occurred to me that they may have just put some earth over it and put the floor up. It was built high for some reason — rather than have their graves desecrated, they probably just had them covered up.” Dailey said he has little interest in the graves and is simply looking to start his alpaca farm. “The grave is fascinating, but its monetary value is probably worthless,” Dailey said.

Nancy Meyers would be the one to inform us. Thanks Nancy I was wondering how Hattie died.

In today's Chronicle-Telegram from Elyria, OH is yet another article on Hattie Pratt: Story from the Sunday, March 27, 2005 Edition of the Chronicle Telegram Hattie Pratt’s death: solved Shawn Foucher The Chronicle-Telegram HUNTINGTON — It was late October, 1862. The leaves would be in the height of their color transformation, but some Lorain County boys would never see it; they were in southern states battling in the Civil War. And at the Huntington Township home of Benjamin Pratt, his 3-year-old daughter — Hattie Adele Pratt, subject of the Archibald Willard painting “Blue Girl” — was expelling the last painful breaths of her brief life on her father’s 42-acre farm. Two days ago, the cause of Hattie’s death was still a mystery to most people, but thanks to members of the Lorain County genealogical community, the cause is a mystery no more. On Thursday afternoon, while Huntington resident Dan Dailey was digging a posthole in the dirt floor of his state Route 58 barn, he plucked Hattie's marble tombstone from beneath a foot of wet earth. The county coroner is uncertain whether the site in Dailey's barn is Hattie's actual grave, and a 6-foot obelisk looming over a plot of earth in nearby Huntington Cemetery further mystifies the matter. The obelisk is inscribed with the names of four Pratt family members — Benjamin Pratt, Alta Pratt, Jerome Pratt and Hattie A. Pratt — but cemetery records do not confirm whether any bodies were actually buried in the small plot. It’s possible that the Pratt family erected the obelisk in the cemetery to ensure they were included in the town’s history, according to Tim Simonson, a board member of the Wellington Historical Society. While the site of Hattie’s tiny body may remain a mystery until Dailey and his family opt to excavate their barn, Dailey says he’s not moving ahead until he’s able to contact a Pratt family member who lives in Pennsylvania. When intrepid researchers from the Lorain County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society got wind of Dailey’s discovery, however, they leapt at the opportunity to feed their insatiable appetites for historical discovery. Lorain County birth records only date back to 1867 and newspaper items would rarely show up in an online search engine, but that didn’t stop Margaret Cheney, of Lorain, from digging a little deeper. “The genealogy community in Lorain County is a very connected group of people,” Cheney said. “Usually we help each other find the roots we’re looking for.” After reading an article in The Chronicle-Telegram on Friday, Nancy Meyers, a close friend of Cheney’s who has researched family histories for more than 40 years, recalled a book in her personal library: “Non-military Death notices from Lorain County News, 1860 to 1867,” compiled and published by Glenn A. Carruthers, formerly of Oberlin. Carruthers worked on the book as a personal project, Meyers said. “There were publications out long before Ohio records began,” Meyers said. “Lorain County News was an Oberlin newspaper; it listed all non-military deaths at the time.” On one page of the book is a listing of the death of the 3-year-old daughter of Benjamin Pratt. Hattie Adele Pratt died of diphtheria on Oct. 21, 1862.

Quoted from Shawn/s C-T article this Easter morning... "When intrepid researchers from the Lorain County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society got wind of Dailey's discovery, however, they leapt at the opportunity to feed their insatiable appetites for historical discovery" I believe that this reporter has the makings of a good genealogist. Shawn was also very interested to learn that Dave Maynard (a former Elyrian and a long time lorgen mailing list subscriber), does a lot of genealogy and "reads" Chronicle-Telegram using special equipment for the blind. He plans to get in touch with my friend Dave down in NC soon. Be advised, I have officially warned this reporter that genealogy is addictive. Nancy M. Meyers, Lorain OH OGS Life Member http://www.ogs.org/ Genealogy Volunteer http://www.centurytel.net/lorgen

WKYC television website has a news video relating to the Hattie Pratt tombstone at: http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=11296&sid=32316&bw= Copy and paste the above link in to your web browser.

There is a follow-up story in the Chronicle-Telegram this morning on the story of Hattie Adele Pratt. For the on-line version, go to www.chronicletelegram.com.