Eliza Fugitt born aboutt 1819 in Ohio married Thomas Gorsuch 16 Apr 1840 in Jefferson County died 1860-1865 in Jefferson County she may have had a sister named Margaret Looking for information about Eliza's parents or siblings, also about her death or burial. Jerry (Gorsuch) Hobart Albuquerque, NM

I am looking for information on Bird/Lizzie Wilson. Her maiden name was McCurdy and her mother's maiden name was Bristor. Her father's name was Arthur McCurdy 1848-189l. Her mother was Sierra Nevada Bristor1853-1923. Bird/Lizzie McCurdy (Bristor) Wilson was born in 1868. She married James Lafayette Wilson April 8, 1888. He was a musician who played in Bueche's Band. He also was a Woodman and a member of the Congregational Church. Several years after James Lafayette's death Bird just disappeared. There is a newspaper article that she came back to Steubenville to attend a funeral of a Leggitt (Hopedale) and her last name was Hicks and she was from Geauga County. Any help in this would be greatly appreciated. Her birth certificate lists her name as Arthur McCurdy. That was her father's name. On her children's birth certificates she is Lizzie McCurdy, Lizzie Bristor, Bird McCurdy or Bird Bristor, depending on whose birth certificate you look at. This woman fascinates me. I would love to learn more about her, plus fill in the blank on my tree of where she died.

BRICK WALL:SARAH MARGARET PRICE BORN 1846

I agree Liz! I try to join each county and state society where each of my ancestors (and my husband's) were born, married, died, and/or are buried. I also belong to some national societies and attend as many conferences as I can each year in addition to making out-of-state research trips. It is a great experience to be able to network and brainstorm with other genealogists and by doing so, make some new friends. I enjoy the newsletters from the county societies. Believe it or not, there are actually some people who do not have e-mail so you may find a query posted for your surname in one of the publications and make contact with a "new" cousin. Yolanda Campbell Lifter Malabar, FL ylifter@ohiofamilyresearch.com http://www.ohiofamilyresearch.com My Surnames of Ohio (SE and SW Counties): ALLEN* BEASLEY*BLY* BOLENDER*BOWEN*BULL*BURNSIDE*CAMPBELL* CLARK*DAFT*DIXON* DUNHAM*GROW*HAFER*HARTLEY*HUMBLE*McCORMICK* PETTYJOHN* ROBERTS* SHINKLE* STOOPS* WISBY*ZUCK One Name Study of STOOPS in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <LizStookes@cs.com> To: <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: [OHJEFFER] Genealogy Society need you! > Hi, > > I want 'you all' to be aware of a national decline in memberships in local > and state societies. By joining the local, state and national genealogy > organizations, we are surporting the value and creadabilty of this wonderful > hobby/obsession of finding out who we are! > > I have been helped by going to the local Southern California meetings. I > have taken classes and attended seminars where I learned the techniques of > sucessful researching. I have traveled via car or public transport to local > facilities with other researchers and that was so much fun! I have shared books and > resources with others. One time, Roberta Craig and I bought a two-volumne > set of Ohio books. She kept the Harrison County one, and I kept the one of > Carroll County. And by attending the local meetings I have had a large group of > people to problem solve with! And they understand when I mention that I have > books and papers all over the place. > > I also belong to the groups in the areas that I am doing research. For > example: Jefferson Co., Ohio. That way I can keep abreast of what is happening in > the area where several family members have made homes. I learn which records > and data bases are available or not available. > > Being a part of the state or national organizations, I am able to give > support to national issues being discussed or shared. Recent federal and state > legislation has had a direct impact on what records I may be able to access. I > learn about these battles through my volunteer representatives. > > I wrote this in responce to past unsoliced advice that has been given on this > site. I am only ready take advice when I have faced a problem and asked for > help. I have received so, so much help by paying dues and supporting > genealogy assemblies. I urge you to jump in, you will be glad you did! > > Liz Stookesberry Myers > First Family of Ohio > Los Alamitos, CA > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

There were so many people who took the time to give me information about Sweeney Funeral Home, I thanked them each and at this time I want to say a special thanks to JIM. He found my Grandmothers (Anna May Bibey) obit and sent it to me. I have written to the funeral home hoping to get more information, I know its a long shot, but in research you have to check every possibility. Thank you all. One thing I found out from the obit is that my grandmother (a Methodist) went to the Presbyterian Church in Germano, and now I am going to find that address and write to them. Who knows, someone might still be around that will remember my grandparents. It was and is such a small town, probably everyone knew everyone. My friend John (Jack) Stringer still lives there but he does not do the internet or e-mail. I have written to him and talked to him about any information he could find but he hasn't been able to as yet. The one thing that is pressing on me is when my Grandmother died, my Grandfather went to live with his son and his wife in McKeesport, Pa. So, my aunt sold and gave away everything of my Grandmothers. One thing I have found out is she sold a lot to a used furniture store. I am certain there must be lots around, but there again, you never know. Anyway, one of the things that has disappeared is the Family Bible!!! That I really want to find somehow. The names inside might be mostly Bibeys or even Phillips. I was just a child when I looked at it and really didn't understand the importance of it. Now, it might answer a lot of questions. If anyone comes across an Bible in any of the used furniture stores or garage sales with these names in it, please let me know. Alice California

How about each of you sending a message to the list telling of your Jefferson Co. families of interesst, the areas and time frames. Don't forget to send a message telling of your brick walls. I'm looking for any references to Henry & Margaret (LYBARGER) AMRINE being in Jefferson Co. around 1811-1813, the BAKER, LOW and McMILLEN families who lived in Columbiana Co. -- part of them migrated into Jefferson Co. and some to Meigs/Gallia Co. area. Carol

Hi, I want 'you all' to be aware of a national decline in memberships in local and state societies. By joining the local, state and national genealogy organizations, we are surporting the value and creadabilty of this wonderful hobby/obsession of finding out who we are! I have been helped by going to the local Southern California meetings. I have taken classes and attended seminars where I learned the techniques of sucessful researching. I have traveled via car or public transport to local facilities with other researchers and that was so much fun! I have shared books and resources with others. One time, Roberta Craig and I bought a two-volumne set of Ohio books. She kept the Harrison County one, and I kept the one of Carroll County. And by attending the local meetings I have had a large group of people to problem solve with! And they understand when I mention that I have books and papers all over the place. I also belong to the groups in the areas that I am doing research. For example: Jefferson Co., Ohio. That way I can keep abreast of what is happening in the area where several family members have made homes. I learn which records and data bases are available or not available. Being a part of the state or national organizations, I am able to give support to national issues being discussed or shared. Recent federal and state legislation has had a direct impact on what records I may be able to access. I learn about these battles through my volunteer representatives. I wrote this in responce to past unsoliced advice that has been given on this site. I am only ready take advice when I have faced a problem and asked for help. I have received so, so much help by paying dues and supporting genealogy assemblies. I urge you to jump in, you will be glad you did! Liz Stookesberry Myers First Family of Ohio Los Alamitos, CA

Hi, I want 'you all' to be aware of a national decline in memberships in local and state societies. By joining the local, state and national genealogy organizations, we are surporting the value and creadabilty of this wonderful hobby/obsession of finding out who we are! I have been helped by going to the local Southern California meetings. I have taken classes and attended seminars where I learned the techniques of sucessful researching. I have traveled via car or public transport to local facilities with other researchers and that was so much fun! I have shared books and resources with others. One time, Roberta Craig and I bought a two-volumne set of Ohio books. She kept the Harrison County one, and I kept the one of Carroll County. And by attending the local meetings I have had a large group of people to problem solve with! And they understand when I mention that I have books and papers all over the place. I also belong to the groups in the areas that I am doing research. For example: Jefferson Co., Ohio. That way I can keep abreast of what is happening in the area where several family members have made homes. I learn which records and data bases are available or not available. Being a part of the state or national organizations, I am able to give support to national issues being discussed or shared. Recent federal and state legislation has had a direct impact on what records I may be able to access. I learn about these battles through my volunteer representatives. I wrote this in responce to past unsoliced advice that has been given on this site. I am only ready take advice when I have faced a problem and asked for help. I have received so, so much help by paying dues and supporting genealogy assemblies. I urge you to jump in, you will be glad you did! Liz Stookesberry Myers First Family of Ohio Los Alamitos, CA

Researching: ALLEN MC CANDLESS ALBAUGH ALLMON BONE MAGEE GLENN PHILLIPS DENNIS MCCAUSLAND JARVIS HICKS Jean Lancaster Co., PA

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Pathfinders of Jefferson Co Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:18:41 -0400 From: Sandy Day <daysa@oplin.org> To: <jane.pinkerton@gte.net> Jane: Our library has almost the entire set of "Ohio Archaeological and Historical Society" publications. Years ago we extracted from Vol. 6 the Pathfinders of Jefferson Co section and indexed it and had it placed into a seperate volume. This is the only section we did this with! I noted that Ann Atherton was interested in the following surnames from this book: Gillespie, Francis and Boals- I checked the index and found the following results. Can you forward this to her? Gillespie-found only a William Francis-found only a Walter Boals-found none If you or Ann require further research, kindly contact me and we will be happy to assist. Sandy Day Schiappa Library 4141 Mall Dr Steubenville, OH 43952

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I want to thank you all for your participation in the list! I HATE Rules! I HATE being told that I have to abide by them and I HATE to make them, but everything in life needs some guidelines....So Here are our guidelines:: NO FLAMING! (flaming is attacking any other person by e-mail through the list.) It will not be tolerated in any shape or form. Violators will be warned via private e-mail. (the list may not be aware of it, but I can assure you, it will be done.) If it continues, they will be blocked from the list by ME! no one else. Don't say anything to or about anyone that you wouldn't want said to or about yourself! If you have a problem, disagreements or complaint about anyone's behavior on the list, either take it to private e-mail or contact me. my e-mail address is: cmontrose@beol.net 1 announcement of an event, or new publication, meeting etc. will be welcomed if it pertains to Jefferson Co. genealogy or history. If in doubt, don't post just contact me and I will make the decision. "Tag lines" in messages offering things for sale or services, advertisements or commercial messages cannot be sent to this list. Everyone can participate! If you don't post a message or two to the list, telling others of your Jefferson Co.families, areas of interests or brick walls, you will, miss a great opportunity to meet great people and probably find "cousins" lurking here, just waiting for that surname to appear or are willing to help you in other ways in your quest. Post as many different queries or messages about Jefferson Co. families or your brick walls, that you wish, but not the same one over & over..vary your requests, and/or space them out. You should always reply to someone's message who needs help or a suggestion if you can help them, you never know when it will come back to you...I can guarantee it will. When using copyrighted source material to help people, remember the copyright laws and be considerate of those who take the time to produce the publications. If you take away all benefits for them to create the books by giving away all their work, there won't be any new ones created...think how much they have helped you in your own research and be considerate AND follow the copywrite laws. Always cite your source when you post information to the list. A kind word to a new subscriber may make all the difference in the world to them and make them feel like they can be brave enough to participate...AND they may be your long lost cousin...sure don't want to loose them before you even find out do you? Remember when you were new to the list or to mail lists in general. Not one person here was born already participating in any genealogy mail list, so be considerate and helpful of and to new participants! When you reply to a message, edit out information from the forwarded part except a sentence or two to remind the list or the sender what it is you're replying to. Four or five messages forwarded each time are not necessary. If you can't edit the message to get rid of some of the forwarded part, then start a new message, but reference something that was in the message that you're replying to to connect your response to the question or comment. Reply to other's messages if you have information or suggestions, but do not reply just to reply. Each message should contain something of value r.e. Jefferson Co. genealogy or history.. "off topic" messages i.e. ones that do not relate to genealogy should not go to the list, but be sent via private e-mail. "Thank you" should ALWAYS be sent, but in private e-mails, not to the list. "I don't agree" might be better left unsaid, but in any case, should not be sent to the list. If it is something like giving someone better directions or hours of a research facility being open, that is ok and will benefit others. If you don't like what someone says, you can always use your delete key you DO NOT have to respond. There is no rule that you must reply to a message through the list, nor that all the genealogy correspondence r.e. Jefferson Co. MUST be submitted to the list (it can go via private e-mail if you choose) but realize that others read the messages and when they have an interest, may reply. You may also "catch" cousins and others who are interested in a particular family by posting to the list. Ultimately, it is your choice. The messages ARE archived, so be on your best behavior! Others for years to come may read these messages...you want them to think the best of you, not the worst! You also want them to feel like they would LIKE to contact you, not shy away because you don't seem like someone with whom they wish to be associated. On the flip side, if they find a message that you've posted r.e. their family or their area of interest, they may try to find you to help them with their branch of the family or give you the one little clue you've been seeking for 20 years that FINALLY makes everything fit! So "advertising" your family interests by posting to the list instead of private e-mail has a lot of benefits. It really helps if you change the subject line of your messages to reflect the subject discussed in the body of the message...i.e. SMITH family or Steubenville Cemetery, etc. Some people don't read all of the messages, they just scan the subject line on the list for messages that have a subject they are interested in either helping you with your problem if they can, or sharing information with you if they have it. It is to your benefit to make sure the subject line matches the subject(s) in the message. It is a time worn problem and will never be totally solved but it is to your own advantage to do it. Capitalize words you wish to bring attention to..i.e. SURNAMES or PLACES... DON'T USE ALL CAPS...IT DETRACTS FROM THE MESSAGE AND IS DIFFICULT TO READ. Be kind to one another! We all have an interest in Jefferson Co. families or we wouldn't be here. I try to keep a low profile but I can assure you, I will not tolerate mis-behavior on this list! Let's get back to GENEALOGY!!! Carol

Thanks for reminding us about changing the "subject" Also thanks for suggesting that the subject include what they are looking for. I have been deleting all if the preview does not come close to what I am searching or to what I could help with. Perhaps the "rules" could come in every Digest since people come and go for various reasons. I don't have time to read all emails especially if the person does not take the time to thoughtfully compose the message. To get the most of your posts follow the directions. My 2 cents worth and thanks for the great work. Sometimes thankless, but really appreciated. Shirley

Brenda, there is no more information for you at this time. I need correct email addys. Only serious inquiries are to be put on here. Not ficticious names.

You might check with Probate Court and see if there are estates filed or guardianships for any minor children. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "violet E Poland" <vipoland@cox.net> To: <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: [OHJEFFER] cemetery > I am looking for a death date for Wm. and Sarah Boyd West in Jefferson > Co. Ohio. Per article about there son Thomas they both died in 1830. > Are there records or cemetery record back that far. > Any help appreciated. > Vi > > -- > Vi Poland > > email address vipoland@cox.net > > ______________________________

Thank you Donna. I believe you said it all. It would be a pleasure to be on your list. The list administrator should make the rules and I couldn't agree more with you. We do all make mistakes when we post. None of us are perfect. Helping others should be the most important thing to come out of the list not correcting posting mistakes.It is hard to follow rules when each list is different. The only rule that all lists have in common (or should) is politeness to the people on here that are making a mistake now and then. None of us like to have our faults pointed out to the world. So in fairness to Sandra I'll bet you have some great knowledge to share. It appears that tact is not your strong suit. Which doesn't mean that you don't have lots of valuable info to share, just that your mistake is in the delivery. Thanks to all Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genealogy Addict" <genealogyaddict@adelphia.net> To: <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: [OHJEFFER] List Administrators > Hi All, > > I feel heartsick at the controversy on the list right now. I'm probably > putting my neck on the chopping block, but I feel a need to clarify > something for those who might not understand. As a list administrator of a > large, active surname list, I've had a lot of experience with controversies, > subject lines, off list postings, etc. We were all newbies once and most, > if not all, of us have made some mistakes. Many of us in our excitement to > post may still make a mistake after years of being on lists. No one should > be made to feel afraid of posting for fear of being criticized. > > I think the one thing I most want to comment on is that Rootsweb has > thousands of lists. Each list administrator is allowed to run their list/s > the way they personally choose - within Rootsweb's Acceptable Use Policy > (which also includes something about FLAMING). Some list admins may choose > to have a "facts only" list. Some list admins may choose to have a family > type atmosphere on their list with some personal chatting allowed because it > helps everyone bond together and share more freely and feel more personal > about each other. Some may fall somewhere in the middle. I've seen lists > where the Welcome Letter is the standard Rootsweb issue one with no changes. > I've seen others with very clear rules / guidelines stated to help > newcomers. Sometimes it's necessary to make rules to fit the list. Many > lists have rules about political statements or about signature surname > blocks. The point is that each admin has their own choice as to how the > list is run and anyone who disagrees with the list management can discuss it > with the list admin, leave the list by unsubscribing or take the matter up > with Rootsweb - who usually side with the individual list admin. I > personally fall somewhere in the middle of the facts/chat issue and > definitely have had to set some clear rules for my list. One of them I > think is very important and is clearly stated in my Welcome letter - which I > also repost to the list frequently to remind everyone. This important rule > explains that there is ONE list admin on the list and to please not > intervene - and let me do my job. As a list admin who is on other lists > where I'm not the admin I feel I need to abide by that list admin's rules as > much as I humanly can - giving that I make mistakes and am not perfect. I > believe that Sandra has been a tremendous help on this list and others and > that her heart is in the right place in trying to help. I also believe that > Carol as the list administrator should be allowed to do her job - even if it > isn't in as timely a manner as some might like it to be. (I'm just judging > this from the content of the recent messages.) To step in and try to do her > job for her may not be the best thing to do - no matter how good the > intentions might be - and it may result in increasing the confusion over who > the list admin is and who is running the list, etc. I would be very upset > if someone on my list tried to run my list for me. Sometimes I may not get > to the computer as fast as someone may like because I have a life too and > list admins are volunteers who freely give of their time and service. I > don't mean to offend anyone by this post. I feel like I understand both > sides from a very personal view. I truly think many people don't understand > that each list is different and that each list admin is different and that > each has the RIGHT to run their list the way they want. Rootsweb supports > the list admins judging how best to run their own individual lists. My hope > is that this message will help clarify that. > > Sincerely, > Donna Hamm > > Virus Free Scanned by > Norton AntiVirus 2003 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi All, I feel heartsick at the controversy on the list right now. I'm probably putting my neck on the chopping block, but I feel a need to clarify something for those who might not understand. As a list administrator of a large, active surname list, I've had a lot of experience with controversies, subject lines, off list postings, etc. We were all newbies once and most, if not all, of us have made some mistakes. Many of us in our excitement to post may still make a mistake after years of being on lists. No one should be made to feel afraid of posting for fear of being criticized. I think the one thing I most want to comment on is that Rootsweb has thousands of lists. Each list administrator is allowed to run their list/s the way they personally choose - within Rootsweb's Acceptable Use Policy (which also includes something about FLAMING). Some list admins may choose to have a "facts only" list. Some list admins may choose to have a family type atmosphere on their list with some personal chatting allowed because it helps everyone bond together and share more freely and feel more personal about each other. Some may fall somewhere in the middle. I've seen lists where the Welcome Letter is the standard Rootsweb issue one with no changes. I've seen others with very clear rules / guidelines stated to help newcomers. Sometimes it's necessary to make rules to fit the list. Many lists have rules about political statements or about signature surname blocks. The point is that each admin has their own choice as to how the list is run and anyone who disagrees with the list management can discuss it with the list admin, leave the list by unsubscribing or take the matter up with Rootsweb - who usually side with the individual list admin. I personally fall somewhere in the middle of the facts/chat issue and definitely have had to set some clear rules for my list. One of them I think is very important and is clearly stated in my Welcome letter - which I also repost to the list frequently to remind everyone. This important rule explains that there is ONE list admin on the list and to please not intervene - and let me do my job. As a list admin who is on other lists where I'm not the admin I feel I need to abide by that list admin's rules as much as I humanly can - giving that I make mistakes and am not perfect. I believe that Sandra has been a tremendous help on this list and others and that her heart is in the right place in trying to help. I also believe that Carol as the list administrator should be allowed to do her job - even if it isn't in as timely a manner as some might like it to be. (I'm just judging this from the content of the recent messages.) To step in and try to do her job for her may not be the best thing to do - no matter how good the intentions might be - and it may result in increasing the confusion over who the list admin is and who is running the list, etc. I would be very upset if someone on my list tried to run my list for me. Sometimes I may not get to the computer as fast as someone may like because I have a life too and list admins are volunteers who freely give of their time and service. I don't mean to offend anyone by this post. I feel like I understand both sides from a very personal view. I truly think many people don't understand that each list is different and that each list admin is different and that each has the RIGHT to run their list the way they want. Rootsweb supports the list admins judging how best to run their own individual lists. My hope is that this message will help clarify that. Sincerely, Donna Hamm Virus Free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus 2003

Cheryl, you said that you can do Meigs County. I have a Gr. Grandfather who came from Meigs County to Jefferson County, Ohio. He was born in July 1865 according to the 1900 census of Jefferson County. When he died he had been in Steubenville for 27 years. He passed away in 1910 . He had been married to my Gr. Grandmother (Bird or Lizzie or Elizabeth McCurdy (Bristor) for 25 years. She was from Jefferson County (Steuvenville) By doing the math I assume (which you should never do) that he must have come to Steubenville around 1883. Anyhow, I made a trip to Meigs County last summer but didn't have a lot of time. I live in NW Ohio and had to get moving on down the road. Fell in love with the little town of Pomeroy and did as much searching as I could. I could find no mention of James LaFayette Wilson. I always wondered if he had come from across the river but his obit said he came from Meigs County. As a side note, several years my Gr. Grandmother disappeared from Steubenville and was mentioned that she resided in Geauga County and was using the name of Bird Hicks. You talk about a mystery. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl enyart" <trayne1837inc@yahoo.com> To: <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:29 AM Subject: [OHJEFFER] An apology > Dear list members, > I want to apologize to the members of this list. My comments to my new cousins was not an intentional slur on anyone. I have been trying to find my greatgrandmother for over 25 years. I just never was able to make the connection to anyone. Matter of fact I was not sure whether Mary E. Daniels was her married or maiden name since she had a son William Daniels. > As in everything I assumed that it was a married name and had looked up William to see if I could find out who his parents were. Able to accomplish this I turned to the fact that it might have been her name and that she had not been married. I think that I was unable to find her because the time was not right. I believe that everything works out for a purpose. The day I posted to this list was the day that Mary , Kitty and Robert had just updated their rootsweb post. I found it and was over joyed when they confirmed my suspicions. I immediately looked for Jesse Daniels in the Gallia County census. > I found out all of Mary's siblings, and other folks from PA with the Daniels name. > I am overjoyed at the fact I have 3 lovely new people to claim as living relatives. My father is the last of his family. He is 82 years old. I have add 3 generations to my chart. > I took a chance and it turned out great. That is what it is all about. Chances that we take. If our relatives had known that we would be looking for them way back then, maybe they would have left us more clues. I enjoy a great mystery. > I extend a hand of friendship to all of you. Let us put this experience behind us. > Let us not assume that someone is unskilled or skilled in doing research. Let us not preach but help with info. If you need advice on how to search or where to search then ask for it. > If anyone has relatives in the southeastern part of the state, Meigs, Gallia, Lawrence, Jackson, VInton don't hesitate to either email me or get on those lines. We are extremely active on these list and you will find helpful people with great information. > I do obit lookups in the Gallia County area and can do the Meigs County lookups. > I like to end with this Be proud of the place in which you live, and live so that they can be proud of you. > Have a great future, I remain , Cheryl Ann Thomas Enyart, VP of the Galllia County Genealogical Society. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I an SICK to death of this backbiting crap......The original thing I did to OFFEND Cheryl was to send this email post to the list, in an attempt to try to help someone who appeared to be starting out on their research....that was my CRIME.... to try to help someone. She fired me off a most nasty personal email, saying I had insulted her, who did I think I was, bla, bla bla, and followed up with a list with a crack about my 'advice'........ my offending email to her........ "I would suggest you talk with your father about his family. Surely he would know where his father died and when, or at least the year. The year would enable you to contact the county where his father died and obtain a death certificate, which would give you valuable family info, such as -where he and even his parents were born, etc. Then, with the full date of death you could also obtain filmed newspapers from the Ohio Historic Center, in Columbus, through interlibrary loan...... searching for an obituary, which also contain family data. Generally, what you find about one generation may well lead you to the preceding one, with things to follow up on." her follow-up....with crack; I want to thank Mary and Kitty for the information that you sent me. I also heard from Robert. I am very grateful for the help. I will be sending you the information and picture of Mary E. Daniels Thomas. To Sandra, I have the information I need. Without the advice. This indicated to me, that she had gotten answers to her questions, that perhaps might help others, and in the spirit of these lists should be sent to all and not just an individual..... Is this offensive? " The idea behind these genealogical lists is to share information, and this means sending it to everyone on the list, rather than just to the individual. One never knows who will be helped by information asked for by someone else, and I'm sure we've all found clues, etc in posts that weren't directed to us. The list postings are also archived, so that folks can search the archives at a later date, and find info that might be helpful in their research. Thus, it's a good idea to send genealogical information to the list in general, and personal thanks to the individual. ..none of us need to read personal emails to others, but sure could use the data..." for this OFFENDING info, above, Mary sent... "In response to this message from Sandra Ferguson. You made this statement about always posting to the list and you emailed Cheryl Enyart with some comments that she was not happy with. She is my cousin and I emailed her without posting to the list but was told in the following email to make sure I post to the list. Why didn't you post your comments Sandra? My at least were polite. She has decided to leave the list after such a short time because of the rude remarks you made to her. This list should be to help people not to correct their email etiquette. I will never post again. I am not interested in receiving insults in my inbox and then being told to put my comments on the list. As I have seen you are not the list master so maybe you should stop trying to run the list and let us poor folks find each other and give genuine help out here to others. Mary" "Mary, would you like me to send you the RUDE emails from Cheryl? All because I tried to send her a helping email? In answer to the above email I sent; " I'm afraid you misunderstood, for these lists are NOT for personal comments, as between individuals - those pointlessly fill everyone else's inboxes and are archived for no good reason. Why on earth would I send something of this sort to everyone on the list? What SHOULD be shared is information...... any sort of genealogical data that could help others, which is the point of these lists.......and, if the information is send only to an individual who requested it, what a waste of 'good stuff' that might help another. Most of this is just common sense. If we wish to get others to answer our queries, then we want to make it clear what, or who our posts are about......ditto when answering the query of others. Many folks just give a cursory glance at the subject and delete it if it doesn't appear to be of interest, or isn't clear, so the best way to get others to read our queries is to make it clear what they concern. By the same token, as I said before, many people, just like me, browse the various list archives, looking for things of interest......if there is something I think might be of interest, then I click on the subject and read it, but if it has one of those useless subjects like roll call, etc, it gets passed up. Thus, whether the post is for our own query or to share information, the better the subject, the more likely it is that others will read it....which, is what we're all after." I would like ANYONE to point out where I said ANYTHING that wasn't helpful information on how to get the most out of these lists....but, believe me, no more......I' have HAD it! I'm outta here. To those who have written, I will get you out the info on Query writing, etc, as requested, along with those sites I've collected that may prove useful.

Carol is often busy and doesn't always pay attention to daily posts. However, the following is the URL for ALL the rootsweb sites, each of which contain a click on address to contact the list owner for each list. http://lists.rootsweb.com/ but, a handy thing to know is that the address for ALL is basically the same, with only the name of the list changed...thus, the address for the Jefferson co list adm. is ohjeffer-admin@rootsweb.com - to contact other list adm, simply place the name of whatever list you're interested in place of ohjeffer. .----- Original Message ----- From: "verstraten" <verstraten@prodigy.net> To: <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [OHJEFFER] Send gen. info to all, please. > Where is our list master, CAROL? Are you there? > Flora > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary" <ohioislandgirl@comcast.net> > To: <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 08:35 PM > Subject: Re: [OHJEFFER] Send gen. info to all, please. > > > > In response to this message from Sandra Ferguson. You made this statement > > about always posting to the list and you emailed Cheryl Enyart with some > > comments that she was not happy with. She is my cousin and I emailed her > > without posting to the list but was told in the following email to make > sure > > I post to the list. Why didn't you post your comments Sandra? My at least > > were polite. She has decided to leave the list after such a short time > > because of the rude remarks you made to her. This list should be to help > > people not to correct their email etiquette. I will never post again. I am > > not interested in receiving insults in my inbox and then being told to put > > my comments on the list. As I have seen you are not the list master so > maybe > > you should stop trying to run the list and let us poor folks find each > other > > and give genuine help out here to others. > > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@ntelos.net> > > To: <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:30 PM > > Subject: [OHJEFFER] Send gen. info to all, please. > > > > > > > The idea behind these genealogical lists is to share information, and > this > > > means sending it to everyone on the list, rather than just to the > > > individual. One never knows who will be helped by information asked for > > by > > > someone else, and I'm sure we've all found clues, etc in posts that > > weren't > > > directed to us. The list postings are also archived, so that folks can > > > search the archives at a later date, and find info that might be > helpful > > in > > > their research. Thus, it's a good idea to send genealogical information > > to > > > the list in general, and personal thanks to the individual. ..none of us > > > need to read personal emails to others, but sure could use the data... > > > > > > Sandra > > > > > > > > > From: "cheryl enyart" <trayne1837inc@yahoo.com> > > > To: <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:07 AM > > > Subject: [OHJEFFER] Jesse Daniels > > > > > > > > > > I want to thank Mary and Kitty for the information that you sent me. > I > > > also heard from Robert. I am very grateful for the help. I will be > > sending > > > you the information and picture of Mary E. Daniels Thomas. > > > > > > > > To Sandra, I have the information I need. Without the advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >