Hi Susan O'Brien, I believe you are confusing me with some others on this list--I am not involved in this little "spat" going on here. The woman named Sandra said something a bit rude to a couple of others on this list who didn't like what she had written previously and had told her that they had found her remarks offensive. <<If this is offensive, then I think you need to get the chip off your shoulder.....>> This is when I stepped in, I have no other interest in the subject whatsoever, except that being on this list, I don't find this the kind of stuff that the majority of the rest of us want to read. But when you make a remark telling someone to get the chip off her shoulder to someone--I find THAT offensive. Flaming is not allowed on these lists. Sandra also sent this which she said someone else (?) wrote to her << I certainly wouldn't want to be married to Mrs. Vice-Regent, Pres of OGS Jefferson Co. You didn't do anything wrong. Her own e-mail showed her to be a woman who is unyielding.>> this also is insulting, don't you think? So, hopefully I made my myself understood in this message--I am not involved in this and don't wish to be. Please when someone must write this sort of stuff--do it directly to the person's own e-mail and not put all these arguments on the list for everyone else to have to read. And don't write to me, write to the ones who are involved in the dispute! :-) Judie

Thanks Susan, for the kind word...You know, I always thought that this was suppose to be fun. Now, tell me about Daughters of 1812. I have just sent for the military records for several 1812 Vet ancestors....and another of my ancestor, the Reverend Francis Doughty, Anglican minister, arrived in Mass. in 1638, and had congregations in Mass, on Manhatten, and later, in Va. He's was always in trouble (or misunderstood) somewhere, and so is well documented. He even had a poor soul brought up on charges of "witchery" at about the same time as the salem witch trials......only in Va. I'd be interested in info on both organizations. Again, thanks! sandra > From: Dar4me@aol.com > To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Newspaper obits. > Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 6:56 PM > > Dear Judi: > > What Sandy said to the group was not offensive. It is the truth. Having done > extensive research through the Ohio newspapers, unless a person can identify > the exact date, exact newspaper in which the obit appears, and the exact page, > it can be very difficult to locate the obit without hunting and pecking. The > layouts of each paper are different and require you to "get a feel" for where > you might find a particular obit. i.e. is it on the first page, buried in the > farm page, listed on the bottom of the social page? Volunteers will look if > you have specific instructions, but they cannot afford the time to do the > searching. Unfortunately this is a fact of research. > > These lists are to help each other the best we can and to share information. > There is no need to condemn anybody. If you take offense, please send a > private e-mail to that person who offended you. The OHJEFFER-rootsweb list is > not the place for that kind of thing. Sandy, thank you for being a helpful > person. Without people like you, research wouldn't be as much fun and a heck > of a lot more difficult. > > :-) Susan O'Brien > > Librarian General, Continental Society Daughters of Indian Wars > National Chm. Star-spangled Banner House, Daughters of 1812 > National Counselor Year 2000, Nat'l Soc. of the Descendants of Colonial > Clergy. >

Normally I would not post this sort of thing, but as some have seen fit to be nasty on the list, I feel it only appropriate to reply in kind....this is one of several emails I have received this evening, and let me say that I greatly appreciate them. Thanks folks! > Have researched in Jefferson Co. and find the people tremendously helpful. I > certainly wouldn't want to be married to Mrs. Vice-Regent, Pres of OGS > Jefferson Co. You didn't do anything wrong. Her own e-mail showed her to be > a woman who is unyielding. Don't sweat the small stuff. We, the others on > this list, appreciate the time you take to help us all. Just thought I'd let > you know.

What is wrong with you people....a woman emailed me on how to get hold of the Ohio Historic village, intimating that she thought the people who work there would check thru the newspapers on micro film for her. We can't expect people to do something like that for us, for free,....if they did that's all they'd get done! This was just my way of saying that we can't expect museum workers or librarians to do our own research for us. Now, what is your problem with this...or, what is your problem in general ! ---------- > From: SidandJer@aol.com > To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Newspaper obits. > Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 4:01 PM > > In a message dated 2/3/99 6:17:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, ferg@wvinter.net > writes: > > << I wouldn't count on getting anything much done by mail....and certainly > not the newspapers...they are on film and I'm SURE no one is going to wade > through those for you. > Sandra >> > > This obviously is what was considered offensive--you presumed to know all > about the subject! > Judi > e

Hi all: The Ohio Historical Society in Columbus, Ohio does have some Jefferson County Newspapers on Micro Film and they are available on inter-library loan. The cost is nominal at $ 3.00 for a 30 day period. The OHS web site has all the necessary information. It also has some other Information that may be of Interest to Genealogists. Check out the web site it may be helpful & rewarding. Some times Navigating the site can be confusing !!!but also exciting. Joseph Patay in Toledo,OH :>)

Charlotte - I posted this question to the list last week but had no response so I will ask you because you seem to be very aware of genealogical resources in your county. My ggg/uncle, Cornelius UDELL, wrote "The Condensed History of Jefferson, Ashtabula County, Ohio" in 1878. It was published by J. A. Howells and Company. I donated a copy of it to the Ashtabula Genealogical Society (or whatever they call themselves) ten or twelve years ago. (They were unaware of its existence). At that time I was told that the group was considering a reprint but have not heard if it was ever accomplished. My question is - did they do it and/or has it been indexed? These 116 pages contain an absolute wealth of genealogical information from the very earliest days of settlement until the date of publication. It contains several lists of names: physicians, attorneys, ministers , businessmen, farmers- when they came, where they came from, who they came with, who their children married and where they went. There are also dozens of sort of personal profiles, little stories - just a wonderful source. Although I am not ready to publicly state it, if someone can just tell me that there is an interest or a need, I intend to index it if it has not already been done, and do look-ups or just post the names to the list. If you could possibly check into this for me I would appreciate it very much. I will be up here in Montana until about the 15th of February then will be away for a few weeks. I wouldn't tackle the job until my return, shortly after the middle of March. Sincerely, Blanche *U*D*E*L*L* seeker Proud Sponsor of RootsWeb phl3851@montana.com

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I accidently sent an email to the list that I intended to only send privately. I want to apologize for my mistake. I don't want to make anything worse. Hope I haven't has I enjoy reading the posts and find everyone helpful. I'm sorry, as I think that the messages should be about reseach and genalogy. Caryn

Where did you find the list of "Ancestors Proven by 1st Family Society Members?

Here is the link to the website for the Ohio Historical Society http://www.ohiohistory.org/ RGESS@prodigy.net

Sandra, I just wanted to let you know that I and I'm sure most people on the list think you did nothing wrong at all. I felt bad for you when I saw you being attacked for trying to be helpful. Thanks for the help you give to the list. Caryn

---------- > From: > To: Oh > Cc: OHJEFFER-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fw: Newspaper obits. > Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:32 PM > > I cannot believe that you find this"offensive"....I felt the question was a > general one, wondering where newspaper files, etc could be kept. As each county in each state may be different I thought that various possibilities would be helpful. > What possible objection could you find in this...was anything incorrect? You may not be aware of it, but people actually look for things in counties other than Jefferson County, and, as I said, things are different > everywhere. Of this is offensive, then I think you need to get the chip off your shoulder.....the question was a general one and I gave a general answer. > ---------- > > From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@wvinter.net> > > To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Newspaper obits. > > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:27 PM > > > > Generally speaking libraries, state archives and genealogical societies > > have old newspapers on microfilm, and, sometimes, at the local level, a > > card file of obituary notices. But, keep in mind, each town is > different. > > In Ohio, The Historical Soc. at Ohio Village has a fabulous collection > of > > newspaper, from all over Ohio, all on film. > > > > ---------- > > > From: PrissyCraw@aol.com > > > To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Newspaper obits. > > > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 4:33 PM > > > > > > Where can I find Newspaper Obits. > > > > > > > > > ==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > > Reminder: Please do not send mail to the list using HTML or RTF > > > If you aren't sure, visit > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm

Dear Judi: What Sandy said to the group was not offensive. It is the truth. Having done extensive research through the Ohio newspapers, unless a person can identify the exact date, exact newspaper in which the obit appears, and the exact page, it can be very difficult to locate the obit without hunting and pecking. The layouts of each paper are different and require you to "get a feel" for where you might find a particular obit. i.e. is it on the first page, buried in the farm page, listed on the bottom of the social page? Volunteers will look if you have specific instructions, but they cannot afford the time to do the searching. Unfortunately this is a fact of research. These lists are to help each other the best we can and to share information. There is no need to condemn anybody. If you take offense, please send a private e-mail to that person who offended you. The OHJEFFER-rootsweb list is not the place for that kind of thing. Sandy, thank you for being a helpful person. Without people like you, research wouldn't be as much fun and a heck of a lot more difficult. :-) Susan O'Brien Librarian General, Continental Society Daughters of Indian Wars National Chm. Star-spangled Banner House, Daughters of 1812 National Counselor Year 2000, Nat'l Soc. of the Descendants of Colonial Clergy.

In what city is the Schiappa Library? -----Original Message----- From: Julia A. (Heaton)Krutilla [SMTP:fkrutill@weir.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:23 AM To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Obits in the Ohio Room at Schiappa Library Hello All, Regarding the microfilm collection in the Ohio Room at the Schiappa Library: The microfilmed newspaper collection is extensive as per the information given by B. Osz, Past President of the Jefferson County Chapter, OGS for five years. You might say Bridgette's second home is the Ohio Room and she knows Jefferson County inside and out. She is also one of the few bonded genealogists who are permitted to work on the forgotten and lost records in the bowels of the Jefferson County Court House. As someone who spends much time in the Ohio Room (as it is my second home as well), I can not begin to tell you how helpful and extensive this collection is for the Ohio Valley. And Sandy Day, Ohio Room's Historical Librarian charges only $2.00 for searching fees. Where else can you obtain such material? She only does this for other genealogy addicts as she is the founder of the Jefferson County Chapter, OGS. And we all know how hard it is to research from afar. The Microfilmed Newspapers fills approximately 12 drawers and includes the following newspaper companies dated from 1806 to the present. American Union Daily Herald Mammoth Weekly Mt. Pleasant, OH's Philanthropist" Ohio Press (Weekly) Steubenville Courier Steubenville Daily Herald Steubenville Weekly Herald Steubenville Daily Herald Star Steubenville Evening Star Steubenville Herald Steubenville OH's "Ohio Republican Ledger Steubenville Weekly Gazette Steubenville Weekly Herald Toronto Weekly Tribune 11 Feb. 1971 to 19 Jul. 1990, only True American (Weekly) Western Herald I'm truly offended by the incorrect information which appeared on this mailing list today. Please, if you don't know the answer, let the knowledgeable answer. Your intentions might be good, but your directions are not helpful to those who are seeking documented material. Julia A. Krutilla 1st Vice Regent, Steubenville Chapter, DAR Current President,Jefferson County Chapter, OGS http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohjefogs ==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the list. Send an e mail to ohjeffer-l-REQUEST@rootsweb.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body.

Hello All, Regarding the microfilm collection in the Ohio Room at the Schiappa Library: The microfilmed newspaper collection is extensive as per the information given by B. Osz, Past President of the Jefferson County Chapter, OGS for five years. You might say Bridgette's second home is the Ohio Room and she knows Jefferson County inside and out. She is also one of the few bonded genealogists who are permitted to work on the forgotten and lost records in the bowels of the Jefferson County Court House. As someone who spends much time in the Ohio Room (as it is my second home as well), I can not begin to tell you how helpful and extensive this collection is for the Ohio Valley. And Sandy Day, Ohio Room's Historical Librarian charges only $2.00 for searching fees. Where else can you obtain such material? She only does this for other genealogy addicts as she is the founder of the Jefferson County Chapter, OGS. And we all know how hard it is to research from afar. The Microfilmed Newspapers fills approximately 12 drawers and includes the following newspaper companies dated from 1806 to the present. American Union Daily Herald Mammoth Weekly Mt. Pleasant, OH's Philanthropist" Ohio Press (Weekly) Steubenville Courier Steubenville Daily Herald Steubenville Weekly Herald Steubenville Daily Herald Star Steubenville Evening Star Steubenville Herald Steubenville OH's "Ohio Republican Ledger Steubenville Weekly Gazette Steubenville Weekly Herald Toronto Weekly Tribune 11 Feb. 1971 to 19 Jul. 1990, only True American (Weekly) Western Herald I'm truly offended by the incorrect information which appeared on this mailing list today. Please, if you don't know the answer, let the knowledgeable answer. Your intentions might be good, but your directions are not helpful to those who are seeking documented material. Julia A. Krutilla 1st Vice Regent, Steubenville Chapter, DAR Current President,Jefferson County Chapter, OGS http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohjefogs

In a message dated 2/3/99 6:17:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, ferg@wvinter.net writes: << I wouldn't count on getting anything much done by mail....and certainly not the newspapers...they are on film and I'm SURE no one is going to wade through those for you. Sandra >> This obviously is what was considered offensive--you presumed to know all about the subject! Judi e

what does this mean? Please don't what? ---------- > From: Osz <mrsosz@eohio.net> > To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Newspaper obits. > Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 11:56 PM > > Sandra if you don't know the answer....please don't > > > You can look for obituary for Jefferson County area at Schaippa Library. > The newspapers begin in 1806. There are not many until 1850's, then they > are rare again until late 1870's. Around the time > of the Centennial 1897 had really good ones. If you have the d/m/yr you > can write Schaippa Library > for $2.00 will search. Plus copies. $.10. 4141 Mall Drive Steubenville, > Ohio 43952 Att: Sandy Day > > > > > PrissyCraw@aol.com wrote: > > > > Where can I find Newspaper Obits. > > > > ==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > Reminder: Please do not send mail to the list using HTML or RTF > > If you aren't sure, visit > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm > > > ==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Searching for a "lost" place?? Visit

I'm sorry but I can't find that info...this place is a MESS! You'll have to do your own search via the internet. It would poabably be listed as The Ohio Historic Village...ask for the Library/genealogy. There is a web site I remember, and some searchable records, but, as I recall, the people I looked for in the records weren't there, and I know them to be on the records, and have documentation for it...so, don't assume that they are not listed just because these online records say they're not. I always put a few knowns through any of these records to sort of test for acuracy. I wouldn't count on getting anything much done by mail....and certainly not the newspapers...they are on film and I'm sure no one is going to wade through those for you. Sandra ---------- > From: J.M. Waller <krschafer@worldnet.att.net> > To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Newspaper obits. > Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:08 AM > > Hi Sandra, > You mentioned a film collection of obits at the Ohio Village > Historical Society. How would one contact them ? A web site perhaps > or do you know of a postal address or phone #? > This could make them very popular. > Thanks, > K.R. Schafer > krschafer@worldnet.att.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@wvinter.net> > To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: Newspaper obits. > > > >Generally speaking libraries, state archives and genealogical > societies > >have old newspapers on microfilm, and, sometimes, at the local level, > a > >card file of obituary notices. But, keep in mind, each town is > different. > > In Ohio, The Historical Soc. at Ohio Village has a fabulous > collection of > >newspaper, from all over Ohio, all on film. > > > >---------- > >> From: PrissyCraw@aol.com > >> To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Newspaper obits. > >> Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 4:33 PM > >> > >> Where can I find Newspaper Obits. > >> > >> > >> ==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== > >> Reminder: Please do not send mail to the list using HTML or RTF > >> If you aren't sure, visit > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm > > > > > >==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== > >Reminder: Please do not send mail to the list using HTML or RTF > >If you aren't sure, visit > >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm > > > > > ==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== > The Bicentennial for the state of OHIO is coming soon. If interested > in helping or just interested, visit http://www.ohio200.com

For a list of the newspapers at the Ohio Historical Society, check this page. http://dbs.ohiohistory.org/newspaper/home.cfm I know they do have some research volunteers, I see them at the microfilm and microfiche printers. I have no idea what the cost. But you can also order the newspapers on inter-library loan. Serena in Michigan

Hi Sandra, You mentioned a film collection of obits at the Ohio Village Historical Society. How would one contact them ? A web site perhaps or do you know of a postal address or phone #? This could make them very popular. Thanks, K.R. Schafer krschafer@worldnet.att.net -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@wvinter.net> To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper obits. >Generally speaking libraries, state archives and genealogical societies >have old newspapers on microfilm, and, sometimes, at the local level, a >card file of obituary notices. But, keep in mind, each town is different. > In Ohio, The Historical Soc. at Ohio Village has a fabulous collection of >newspaper, from all over Ohio, all on film. > >---------- >> From: PrissyCraw@aol.com >> To: OHJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Newspaper obits. >> Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 4:33 PM >> >> Where can I find Newspaper Obits. >> >> >> ==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== >> Reminder: Please do not send mail to the list using HTML or RTF >> If you aren't sure, visit >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm > > >==== OHJEFFER Mailing List ==== >Reminder: Please do not send mail to the list using HTML or RTF >If you aren't sure, visit >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm >