This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jeannesanbell Surnames: Brown Moden Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.unknown/13551.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for taking an interest. I am not absolutely sure about any census other than the 1870 where Wm R. was married to Venia Moden ( for that, I have the marriage record). He was running a saw/lumbar mill with a Samuel M. Brown, which I can only assume was a brother or close cousin. Also, on a 1900 census has Wm's. son, Elmer, living with Sam's son Evander/Everton and their relation was stated as "cousin". The trouble is William Brown is a common name and easily confused with others of the same age. On the 1850 census, with the Weavers, Wm. and a Samuel were about the right age and in the county of Warren, where he was living in a later census. I, too, questioned on that census the birth place of Wm. and still questioning if it was Ohio, Indiana,or Iowa. The 1860 census says Indiana. Do you think 2 out of 3 and I should look in Indiana? The records are so sparse and confusing that every name connected with his just brings more question than answers. The Weavers, in 1850, had a Martha, 20, who I thought was a daughter living with them, older than Wm. or Sam. So, I assumed Miriam wasn't Wm. or Sam's mother as she had children with the name "Weaver" born before the two of them and therefore married to Phillip before there were born. There is a Philip Weaver is on the 1840 census, but it doesn't list names of children. I'm sure they are a relatives but I'm not sure how. I can find anything more on them. I do know Wm. must have died some time between the conception of his daughter, my ancestor, Lizzie Brown, in early 1873 and Venia's remarriage to Wallace Steadman in 1879. I also believe he would have been buried in the township he lived and that this is his resting place. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35835724. The stated relations on this memorial do not make any sense to me. Wm. could not be Donie's father because Donie was conceived nearly 20 years after he died. Impossible in the 1800's. And Samantha Brown was still alive and living with her Wm. Brown on a turn of the century census. My explanation is better but still unproven. So, how would I go about finding guardianship papers? I know the county he lived in, would they still have these records? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.