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Ken, Will you please look for a possible marriage license for Martin Didion and Catharine Adelman about 1874? Thanks in advance, Loretta

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 Kwsroots@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/7/00 1:55:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > altagram@intellisys.net writes: > > << Subj: [OHHURON-L] Re: OHHURON-D Digest V00 #185 > Date: 8/7/00 1:55:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: altagram@intellisys.net (Alta Wallace) > Reply-to: OHHURON-L@rootsweb.com > To: OHHURON-L@rootsweb.com > > When was the printing of History of the firelands? Is it in local > Libraries? or avail. for lib loan? >> > > Hi Alta, > > Our copy of the History of the Fire Lands, comprising Huron and Erie > Counties, Ohio, by W.W. Williams, 1879, is a reprint made 1985 by > Whipporwill Publications through the sponsrship of the Kinologists of the > Firelands Historical Society, 4 Case Ave., Norwalk, Ohio 44875. You might > write to them to see if there's another reprint in the works, or where you > might otherwise obtain a copy. > > I note the Wakeman Community Library has a reference copy of this book. The > Norwalk Public Library might also. For details, go to the HCC/OGS home page > and click on Library and Museums. > > I don't have any information on the availability of this book for > interlibrary loan in local libraries, or it's availability from used book > dealers. > > Regards, > > Ken Shute, in MD (kwsroots@aol.com). > > > > ==== OHHURON Mailing List ==== > Join and support the Huron County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Soc. > We meet the 4th Monday of every month, save December. > 7:30pm at the Senior Center, Norwalk, Oh. > > We do indeed have a copy of this book. We in fact have four copies. They are in our local history/genealogy section and are reference. We don't interlibrary loan any of our reference materials. Debbie Orth Norwalk Public Library

To Debbie Orth, Are any of those copies of the book 'for sale' ? Do you know where I could get a copy of my own ? Approx. price ? Thank you, Mary Kane Bickford in Tx. > > > We do indeed have a copy of this book. We in fact have four copies. They > are in our local history/genealogy section and are reference. We don't > interlibrary loan any of our reference materials. > > Debbie Orth > Norwalk Public Library >

On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Alta Wallace wrote: > Does anyone have info for June 2, 1853? Obits? I have Mary Gray and > S.S.Gray (age 15) and prob mother-son, both dec same day. Was there an > epidemic? Both buried clarksfield Methodist, old part. > -----Original Message----- > From: OHHURON-D-request@rootsweb.com <OHHURON-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: OHHURON-D@rootsweb.com <OHHURON-D@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:01 PM > Subject: OHHURON-D Digest V00 #181 > > > > > ==== OHHURON Mailing List ==== > Join and support RootsWeb, home of the Huron County, Ohio list and many other genealogy lists and resources - go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > Alta, I checked for an obituary in both of the Norwalk papers that were published in 1853, but didn't find an obituary for Mary or S.S. I tried the "Firelands Pioneer', because they have obituaries for some people. There wasn't an obituary, but there was an article about Mary's family. If you are at all interested, let me know. Debbie Orth Norwalk Public Library

In a message dated 8/6/00 9:56:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marjada@ktc.com writes: << Subj: HCC lookup Date: 8/6/00 9:56:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: marjada@ktc.com (Mary Jane Adams) To: Kwsroots@aol.com Hi Ken, Past searches for the marriage record of Henry PLOWRIGHT - Mary Ann CROSS have failed. I now find them listed as PLORYHT on the 1850 Huron Co census. Would you please check one more time from Jan 1850(when he immigrated, his story) to 22 July 1850 when the census was taken. Forever grateful for your time and knowledge of the Huron Co records. Mary Jane Adams marjada@ktc.com >> Hi Mary Jane, A re-check of our Huron County, Ohio Marriages, 1815-1900, by Scheuer Publications, 1992, turned up the marriage of a Henry P. PLOWRIGHT. That was the good news. The bad news: he was married to a different person (not Mary Ann CROSS), and the marriage took place in 1853, aboutt three years after he was thought to have left the area. Details: Henry P. PLOWRIGHT m. Naomi LEVERTON 20 Jan 1853. I could find no reference to a PLORYHT, or a Mary Ann CROSS in our marriage book. Regards, Ken Shute, in MD (kwsroots@aol.com).

In a message dated 8/7/00 1:55:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, altagram@intellisys.net writes: << Subj: [OHHURON-L] Re: OHHURON-D Digest V00 #185 Date: 8/7/00 1:55:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: altagram@intellisys.net (Alta Wallace) Reply-to: OHHURON-L@rootsweb.com To: OHHURON-L@rootsweb.com When was the printing of History of the firelands? Is it in local Libraries? or avail. for lib loan? >> Hi Alta, Our copy of the History of the Fire Lands, comprising Huron and Erie Counties, Ohio, by W.W. Williams, 1879, is a reprint made 1985 by Whipporwill Publications through the sponsrship of the Kinologists of the Firelands Historical Society, 4 Case Ave., Norwalk, Ohio 44875. You might write to them to see if there's another reprint in the works, or where you might otherwise obtain a copy. I note the Wakeman Community Library has a reference copy of this book. The Norwalk Public Library might also. For details, go to the HCC/OGS home page and click on Library and Museums. I don't have any information on the availability of this book for interlibrary loan in local libraries, or it's availability from used book dealers. Regards, Ken Shute, in MD (kwsroots@aol.com).

Are their any marriage records dating back to 1870 in Huron County? I need a lookup on Margret Reifert. She was 14 in the Erie county 1860 census and disappeared from Erie County. William Reifert Lawson, MO

When was the printing of History of the firelands? Is it in local Libraries? or avail. for lib loan? -----Original Message----- From: OHHURON-D-request@rootsweb.com <OHHURON-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: OHHURON-D@rootsweb.com <OHHURON-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:01 AM Subject: OHHURON-D Digest V00 #185

Thank you, Ken & Rebecca! De-Vonna -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Williams <wlmsatrn@richnet.net> To: OHHURON-L@rootsweb.com <OHHURON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 06, 2000 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [OHHURON-L] Re: EMERSON >DeVonna, > >You can find the biography at: http://members.xoom.com/wlmsatrn >you will find it under Emerson. That is the Huron County Biographies page. I add as I can, or when I see a request on one this list. > >Rebecca Williams > > > >Kwsroots@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 8/4/00 6:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, clde@arn.net >> writes: >> >> << Subj: EMERSON >> Date: 8/4/00 6:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time >> From: clde@arn.net (De-Vonna Clark) >> To: Kwsroots@aol.com >> >> Ken, >> >> Will you check your sources for information on Reuben H. EMERSON and his >> wife Lyda J. CARTWRIGHT or their children? Their children are Sarah (I have >> her info), Laurel (male), Charles, Laura, Mary, Leonard, Annie, and Norman. >> The children were born between 1851 and 1865. I believe they lived in >> Norwalk. I have the birth & death indexes and the 1870 census book so you >> don't need to check those. Thanks! >> >> De-Vonna Clark >> Amarillo, TX >> >> >> Hi De-Vonna, >> >> Here is what I found on your Reuben H. EMERSON: >> >> 1. Index to Biographical Record of Huron and Lorain Counties, Ohio, by J.H. >> Beers & Co., 1894. >> >> R.H. EMERON, page 168. >> >> I don't have a copy of this book. George Twaddle used to have a copy, and do >> look ups, but he's no longer listed on the HCC/OGS home page for this >> volunteer service. >> >> The Wakeman Community Library has a copy, so you might try them. Go to the >> HCC/OGS home page, and click on Libraries and Museums. >> >> 2. Huron County, Ohio Marriages, 1815-1900, by Scheuer Publications, 1992. >> >> Reuben H. EMMERSON m. Lydia Jane CARTWRIGHT 20 Oct 1850. >> Reuben H. EMMERSON m. Sarah BENDER 7 Sep 1884. >> >> 3. Huron County, Ohio Cemetery Inscriptions, by HCC/OGS, 1997. >> >> East Norwalk Cemetery, Norwalk Township. >> >> Page 467. Row 3. >> 3 R.H. EMERSON, b. 20 Jun 1827; d. 29 Jan 1917 (GAR marker). >> Lyda J. EMERSON, w/o R.H. EMERSON, b. 14 May 1833; d. 28 Sep 1880; EMERSON >> (front). >> Charley EMERSON >> Mertie (no dates; right). >> >> Page 467. Row 2. >> 1 Nelson BAILEY, Co. C, 25th OVI, b. 1 Mar 1848; d. 16 Mar 1932 (GAR marker). >> Sarah E. EMERSON BAILEY, his wife, b. 25 Aug 1851; d. 7 Jul 1925. >> >> 4. 1873 Atlas, Huron County, Ohio. >> >> Lydia EMERSON, Norwalk Twp, page 12, section 2, lot 8, 10 acres. >> R.H. EMERSON, Norwalk Twp, page 12,section 2, lot 7, 12 acres. >> >> 5. History of the Fire Lands, by W.W. Williams, 1879. >> >> Page 99. Section on Roster of Soldiers (Civil War). >> >> Listed under Company B, 166th Ohio National Guard: Private Reuben EMERSON. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ken Shute, in MD (kwsroots@aol.com). >> >> ==== OHHURON Mailing List ==== >> Join and support RootsWeb, home of the Huron County, Ohio list and many other genealogy lists and resources - go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > >==== OHHURON Mailing List ==== >SEARCH the OHHURON-L "archives". >All past posts to the mailing list can be found at >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >Just type OHHURON in the box. >Then search on any keyword(s) you wish. > >

In a message dated 8/5/00 9:11:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nanpare@accnorwalk.com writes: << Subj: [OHHURON-L] CRONINGER/CARPENTER/Huron Co. look up/Ken Shute Date: 8/5/00 9:11:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: nanpare@accnorwalk.com (nanpare) Reply-to: OHHURON-L@rootsweb.com To: OHHURON-L@rootsweb.com Hi Ken, I'm so tickled!! I have a look up for you!! D.N Carpenter married Sarah A. Smith Dec 10, 1854, to this union were three girls, the oldest being Mary [Lou, Emma, one child died young.] Mary married Isaiah M. Croninger, a contractor and builder. Can you produce a marriage date for them? Would you also do a complete search on them? You KNOW how much I appreciate you!!!!! [Thanks, but I already have their cemetery records <grin>] Cheers, Nancy >> Hi Nancy, I'm happy to do this look up on Isaiah CRONINGER. I'm also impressed by the serious way you go about digging up cemetery inscriptions for others. Is this how you got the name grave digger? Here's what I found. All references relate to HCC/OGS publications unless otherwise indicated. 1. Huron County, Ohio Marriages, 1815-1900, by Scheuer Publications. Mary E. CARPENTER m. Isaiah CRONINGER 4 Jul 1876. also: Kate CRONINGER m. J.W. CARPENTER 16 Jul 1876. ( Could Kate be a sister to Isaiah, and J.W. be a brother to Mary E.?) 2. Birth Index 1867-1908. Forest Vail CRONINGER b. 03/04/1908, Vol. 4, page 35. Seymore O. CRONINGER b. 05/09/1870, Vol. 1, Page 50. 3. 1870 Census Index, Huron County, Ohio. All CRONINGERS below are found on census page 502A, Richmond Township. Read first name, age and place of birth. Catharine, 12, OH Ellen 17, OH Inf. (male), 1/12 OH Isaih, 15, OH Jacob, 39, OH Mary J., 35, OH Philemon, 3, OH. 4. 1880 Census, Huron County, Ohio. Isaih CRONINGER, Richmond Twp, 199C. Jacob CRONINGER, Richmond Twp, 196B. Phileman CRONINGER, Richmond Twp, 196A. 5. Military History of Huron County, Ohio (Civil War). Page 20. "Jacob CRONINGER enlisted at Sandusky City Feb. 28, 1864, Co. A., 2nd OVC; trans. to 2nd Bat'n. Vet. Reserve Corps; discharged at Philadelphia, June 17, 1865." I also found two other references to a Jacob CRONINGER in our books, but this Jacob appears to be different from the Jacob CRONINGER who is listed in the 1870 Census Index, having been born at a much earlier date. I include him since he could be related to your Jacob and Isaiah CRONINGER. 6. History of the Fire Lands, by W.W. Williams, 1879. Page 291. In section on Richmond Township. "Jacob CRONINGER.......came into the township October 6, 1835 and began settlement on lot number 14, where E.W. Fast now lives. He was born in Pennsylvania and moved from Westmoreland county, in 1811, to Stark County, Ohio, and from thence to this township. He died in 1862 having a family of three sons and nine daughters." 7. Plat Book of 1845. Jacob CRONINGER, Richmond Twp, page 63, section 3, lot 14, 200 acres. Regards, Ken Shute (kwsroots@aol.com).

DeVonna, You can find the biography at: http://members.xoom.com/wlmsatrn you will find it under Emerson. That is the Huron County Biographies page. I add as I can, or when I see a request on one this list. Rebecca Williams Kwsroots@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/4/00 6:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, clde@arn.net > writes: > > << Subj: EMERSON > Date: 8/4/00 6:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: clde@arn.net (De-Vonna Clark) > To: Kwsroots@aol.com > > Ken, > > Will you check your sources for information on Reuben H. EMERSON and his > wife Lyda J. CARTWRIGHT or their children? Their children are Sarah (I have > her info), Laurel (male), Charles, Laura, Mary, Leonard, Annie, and Norman. > The children were born between 1851 and 1865. I believe they lived in > Norwalk. I have the birth & death indexes and the 1870 census book so you > don't need to check those. Thanks! > > De-Vonna Clark > Amarillo, TX >> > > Hi De-Vonna, > > Here is what I found on your Reuben H. EMERSON: > > 1. Index to Biographical Record of Huron and Lorain Counties, Ohio, by J.H. > Beers & Co., 1894. > > R.H. EMERON, page 168. > > I don't have a copy of this book. George Twaddle used to have a copy, and do > look ups, but he's no longer listed on the HCC/OGS home page for this > volunteer service. > > The Wakeman Community Library has a copy, so you might try them. Go to the > HCC/OGS home page, and click on Libraries and Museums. > > 2. Huron County, Ohio Marriages, 1815-1900, by Scheuer Publications, 1992. > > Reuben H. EMMERSON m. Lydia Jane CARTWRIGHT 20 Oct 1850. > Reuben H. EMMERSON m. Sarah BENDER 7 Sep 1884. > > 3. Huron County, Ohio Cemetery Inscriptions, by HCC/OGS, 1997. > > East Norwalk Cemetery, Norwalk Township. > > Page 467. Row 3. > 3 R.H. EMERSON, b. 20 Jun 1827; d. 29 Jan 1917 (GAR marker). > Lyda J. EMERSON, w/o R.H. EMERSON, b. 14 May 1833; d. 28 Sep 1880; EMERSON > (front). > Charley EMERSON > Mertie (no dates; right). > > Page 467. Row 2. > 1 Nelson BAILEY, Co. C, 25th OVI, b. 1 Mar 1848; d. 16 Mar 1932 (GAR marker). > Sarah E. EMERSON BAILEY, his wife, b. 25 Aug 1851; d. 7 Jul 1925. > > 4. 1873 Atlas, Huron County, Ohio. > > Lydia EMERSON, Norwalk Twp, page 12, section 2, lot 8, 10 acres. > R.H. EMERSON, Norwalk Twp, page 12,section 2, lot 7, 12 acres. > > 5. History of the Fire Lands, by W.W. Williams, 1879. > > Page 99. Section on Roster of Soldiers (Civil War). > > Listed under Company B, 166th Ohio National Guard: Private Reuben EMERSON. > > Regards, > > Ken Shute, in MD (kwsroots@aol.com). > > ==== OHHURON Mailing List ==== > Join and support RootsWeb, home of the Huron County, Ohio list and many other genealogy lists and resources - go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/

In a message dated 8/4/00 6:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, clde@arn.net writes: << Subj: EMERSON Date: 8/4/00 6:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: clde@arn.net (De-Vonna Clark) To: Kwsroots@aol.com Ken, Will you check your sources for information on Reuben H. EMERSON and his wife Lyda J. CARTWRIGHT or their children? Their children are Sarah (I have her info), Laurel (male), Charles, Laura, Mary, Leonard, Annie, and Norman. The children were born between 1851 and 1865. I believe they lived in Norwalk. I have the birth & death indexes and the 1870 census book so you don't need to check those. Thanks! De-Vonna Clark Amarillo, TX >> Hi De-Vonna, Here is what I found on your Reuben H. EMERSON: 1. Index to Biographical Record of Huron and Lorain Counties, Ohio, by J.H. Beers & Co., 1894. R.H. EMERON, page 168. I don't have a copy of this book. George Twaddle used to have a copy, and do look ups, but he's no longer listed on the HCC/OGS home page for this volunteer service. The Wakeman Community Library has a copy, so you might try them. Go to the HCC/OGS home page, and click on Libraries and Museums. 2. Huron County, Ohio Marriages, 1815-1900, by Scheuer Publications, 1992. Reuben H. EMMERSON m. Lydia Jane CARTWRIGHT 20 Oct 1850. Reuben H. EMMERSON m. Sarah BENDER 7 Sep 1884. 3. Huron County, Ohio Cemetery Inscriptions, by HCC/OGS, 1997. East Norwalk Cemetery, Norwalk Township. Page 467. Row 3. 3 R.H. EMERSON, b. 20 Jun 1827; d. 29 Jan 1917 (GAR marker). Lyda J. EMERSON, w/o R.H. EMERSON, b. 14 May 1833; d. 28 Sep 1880; EMERSON (front). Charley EMERSON Mertie (no dates; right). Page 467. Row 2. 1 Nelson BAILEY, Co. C, 25th OVI, b. 1 Mar 1848; d. 16 Mar 1932 (GAR marker). Sarah E. EMERSON BAILEY, his wife, b. 25 Aug 1851; d. 7 Jul 1925. 4. 1873 Atlas, Huron County, Ohio. Lydia EMERSON, Norwalk Twp, page 12, section 2, lot 8, 10 acres. R.H. EMERSON, Norwalk Twp, page 12,section 2, lot 7, 12 acres. 5. History of the Fire Lands, by W.W. Williams, 1879. Page 99. Section on Roster of Soldiers (Civil War). Listed under Company B, 166th Ohio National Guard: Private Reuben EMERSON. Regards, Ken Shute, in MD (kwsroots@aol.com).

Hi All, Sorry to slip this in, but I'm looking for member Bob Kerner and my old address for him is not working. Bob, please get in touch, I need your help with Print Shop Pro again.... Peace, Judy Chapin Kelble http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhuron Webmaster Huron County Chapter/OGS http://www.scioto.com/OHGenWeb Assistant State Coordinator OHGenWeb

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, nanpare wrote: > I visted the Norwalk Library last week and found an article on D.N. CARPENTER, At the top of the page it says Huron County Ohio page 111. Could someone tell me which book that was and the author? Needless to say, I forgot to write down my source!!!! > I want you all to know, I finally made an entry from the HCCI into my software!!! A first!!! [I do have relation in Huron Co., just haven't done their lines yet. TROUP, TERWILLIGER, BAKER, WASBURN, and James Wallace PARAMORE married Helen CLOCK/KLOCK of Monroeville.] James and Helen moved to St Louis MO. and he became a RR tycoon, making millions [and loosing millions, I might add]. Anyhow they were very well off and Helen had a summer home in Manchester-by-the Sea in Mass. > Guess I'm rambling, better quit......Nancy > > > ==== OHHURON Mailing List ==== > Enjoy your stay in Huron County, OH > If you feel you must unsubscribe from the list mode > send the word 'unsubscribe' to OHHURON-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Nancy, The book you are looking for is the "Commemorative Biographical Record of the Counties of Huron and Lorain, Ohio" Vol. 1. It was published by J.H. Beers & Co., Chicago, IL 1894. Hope this helps ;-) Debbie Orth Norwalk Public Library

Nancy, Thank you for the helpful information. Thelma,Queensland,Australia.

Hi Ken, I'm so tickled!! I have a look up for you!! D.N Carpenter married Sarah A. Smith Dec 10, 1854, to this union were three girls, the oldest being Mary [Lou, Emma, one child died young.] Mary married Isaiah M. Croninger, a contractor and builder. Can you produce a marriage date for them? Would you also do a complete search on them? You KNOW how much I appreciate you!!!!! [Thanks, but I already have their cemetery records <grin>] Cheers, Nancy

I visted the Norwalk Library last week and found an article on D.N. CARPENTER, At the top of the page it says Huron County Ohio page 111. Could someone tell me which book that was and the author? Needless to say, I forgot to write down my source!!!! I want you all to know, I finally made an entry from the HCCI into my software!!! A first!!! [I do have relation in Huron Co., just haven't done their lines yet. TROUP, TERWILLIGER, BAKER, WASBURN, and James Wallace PARAMORE married Helen CLOCK/KLOCK of Monroeville.] James and Helen moved to St Louis MO. and he became a RR tycoon, making millions [and loosing millions, I might add]. Anyhow they were very well off and Helen had a summer home in Manchester-by-the Sea in Mass. Guess I'm rambling, better quit......Nancy

----- Original Message ----- From: "CornellM" <CornellM@webworldinc.com> To: <nanpare@accnorwalk.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: HCC lookup cemetery book > On the Roots Web Archive site I happened across a listing for the > following: > Huron Co., OH, cemetery inscriptions - index > STANDEN, Susan E., page 304 > STANDEN, Timothy, page 304 > There was no further information on what cemetery or where located in > Huron Co. We were under the impression that this Timothy Standen > (1796-1871) was buried at Ridgelawn Cem., in Elyria, and found a > tombstone (dates unreadable) there. Susan Cogswell was his second wife, > her former married names were Squire and Reeder. > > Any information appreciated. Thank you, > Mariam C. Standen > Hi Mariam, here is what I have on STANDEN in the Huron County, Ohio Cemetery Inscriptions 1997 by the Huron County Chapter of the OGS. STRONG'S RIDGE CEMETERY, LYME TOWNSHIP page 304 Row 35 17 STANDEN, Susan E. w/o Timothy STANDEN b. 4 Jy 1821; d. 11 May 1903 Hope this is helpful to your research. Cheers, Nancy If this information has assisted your research, would you consider sending a donation [sugg. $1. per name] to the Huron County Chapter of the OGS. They have produced a cemetery book that any chapter could use for an example. Over 1,000 pages and completely indexed. They do have a copyright but have graciously put their index on the Huron Web page to make it available to your research. Mail to:Huron County Chapter/OGS, PO Box 923, Norwalk, OH 44857-0923 OHHURON Mailing List Enjoy your stay in Huron County, Ohio. See more Huron County research at:http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhuron >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Jane Adams" <marjada@ktc.com> To: <nanpare@accnorwalk.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: HCC lookup cemetery book > Nancy, > Many years ago I was told the records of Riverside Cemetery in Monroeville > showed a Susan PLOWRIGHT died in 1862 @ 8 years. I do not find this in the > cemetery records and wondering why. Any thoughts? > > Mary Jane Adams > marjada@ktc.com Hi Mary Jane, I'm not sure what to tell you on this. Possibly human error in transcription. Possible error in your information. Did they live close to another county? Maybe went to church in an adjoining county and was buried there? Have you tried the court house. That is a few years early for them, but there are a few early dates. I am sending this on to the Huron list and hopefully someone will be able to give you some hints.......Nancy >