This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bower, Gwynn, Ady Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/1YB.2ACI/728 Message Board Post: I am looking for information about my great grandparents Jacob Bower, b. june 24, 1830 and Rachel Gwynn, b. Oct 25, 1832. They were both from Harrison county when they married in 1913. Rachel's parents were Jesse Gwynn and Mary Ady who married in Harrison Co. June 28, 1826. I would like information on any of these persons. I am planning a trip to Harrison Co. in the near future and wonder where the best places are for genealogical information. Thank You!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Summers Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1YB.2ACI/670.3.1.2 Message Board Post: I am going to put you in contact with two other people, I know will tie into your line. I'll email you later with it.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Summers, Stites Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1YB.2ACI/670.3.1.1 Message Board Post: I have often wondered if someone Sylvia (Summers) Stites, mis-traced this line. It is helpful to learn of errors. I am going to be posting other info. and you should receive it if you're on the Summers mailing list. So watch for it and let me know what you think. I am curious. Please email me with more info.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/1YB.2ACI/670.3.1 Message Board Post: Just an FYI on the John Summers who died in Short Creek Twp. 1856, he isn't the son of John T. He is my gggg grandfather whom I am stuck on, but from all I've seen he is not related at all to John T.

Kathy, I have Nathaniel Caldwell Guthrie 4 Apr 1831, d. 4 Jul 1923 m. Ruth Rose on 2 Feb 1854 in Harrison co., Ohio.(Ruth d/Amos Rose b 1831 in Pa , d.1856and Eliz Garner b. before 1831 in Harrison co., Ohio. ) Amos was s/Robt and Sarah Sophia Rose married in1796, according to Tom (thomc1945@comcast.net 2nd wife of Nathaniel was Nancy Garner m. 14 Apr 1857, d. 21 May 1859. 3rd wife of Nathaniel was Sarah Adelaide Edney m. 17 Nov 1866, lived near Deersville, Oh., in Harrison co. (Sarah was 10th child of Rbt and Mary Pittis Edney of England. Generations: 1 Robert Guthrie 1752-1815 m.Jane Caldwell 1752-1815 2 James Cunningham Guthrie 1798-1864 m.Eliz Auld 1821-? 3 Nathaniel Caldwell 1831-1923 m. Ruth...Nancy and Sarah... Don Wagner, New Philadelhia, Oh.

Thank you all for helping me look for the marriage record of William and ELizabeth ca 1827-38. Even though we didn't find the marriage, it helped me come to a conclusion. Someone may benefit from my experience, so I'm posting the results. There were no records found in Guernsey, Harrison, Tuscarawas, Carroll, Belmont, & Jefferson Counties in Ohio. There were no records ound in Wood, Brooke, or Ohio counties in (W)VA. I did more research online and found that Elzabeth Trickle had families of Nathan Trickle and William Trickle living nearby in Nottingham Twp., Harrison County. It seems like she had family nearby, so why go somewhere else to marry? Just as I was deciding that the marriage was probably in Harrison County (They lived there & William has other marriages in Harrsion County in 1822 and 1840.), but was NOT SHOWING UP IN THE INDEX, I got the following email. "about your marriage record for Harrison Co. I wanted to relay an experience of mine and maybe yours might be similar. I knew that one of my gr grandfathers had been married several times I went to the courthouse to get records. They weren't listed in the index under either name so I went page by page by page and found them. Not just one but two for this same guy. This was 1820-35 time frame. I don't know what happened but they didn't seem to get indexed or added properly. I wish you luck! by the way those didn't show anything but the two names date and who married them." So next trip to Ohio, I'm going page by page through the marriage records. Thank you all so much. Sharon Laizure Hofer

I had a similar experience with marriage records. They were not showing up on indexes. I got the microfilmed copy sent to my local FHC and found that the original index had detoriated so badly by the time it was filmed that large portions were missing. Also it took me quite a bit of searching to realize that not all the records were recorded the same way. As different Judges or clerks had been responsible for recording the marriages, they got entered different ways. And I found several instances where a space that normall held one record had five or six squashed all together to try and keep the chronological order correct (or so that one preacher could record all his recent marriages together). Very confusing. And I am sure that happend in other counties also. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lazearsearcher@aol.com> To: <OHHARRIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [OHHARRIS] Marriage of Wm Laizure & Eliz. Trickle > Thank you all for helping me look for the marriage record of William and > ELizabeth ca 1827-38. Even though we didn't find the marriage, it helped me > come to a conclusion. > > Someone may benefit from my experience, so I'm posting the results. > > There were no records found in Guernsey, Harrison, Tuscarawas, Carroll, > Belmont, & Jefferson Counties in Ohio. There were no records ound in Wood, > Brooke, or Ohio counties in (W)VA. > > I did more research online and found that Elzabeth Trickle had families of > Nathan Trickle and William Trickle living nearby in Nottingham Twp., Harrison > County. It seems like she had family nearby, so why go somewhere else to > marry? > > Just as I was deciding that the marriage was probably in Harrison County > (They lived there & William has other marriages in Harrsion County in 1822 > and 1840.), but was NOT SHOWING UP IN THE INDEX, I got the following email. > > "about your marriage record for Harrison Co. I wanted to relay an > experience of mine and maybe yours might be similar. > I knew that one of my gr grandfathers had been married several times I > went to the courthouse to get records. They weren't listed in the index > under either name so I went page by page by page and found them. Not > just one but two for this same guy. This was 1820-35 time frame. I don't > know what happened but they didn't seem to get indexed or added > properly. > > I wish you luck! by the way those didn't show anything but the two names > date and who married them." > > So next trip to Ohio, I'm going page by page through the marriage records. > > Thank you all so much. > Sharon Laizure Hofer > > > ==== OHHARRIS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Harrison County OHGenWeb pages at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohharris/ >

Hello, I'm checking on a marriage license for Jane McCullough and William B. Laizure who were married on 7 Nov. 1822. They were married by JOSEPH ANDERSON. I'm trying to see if I can find out which church they attended and,possibly, get more records. Was Joseph a minister? Sharon Laizure Hofer

Thank you Rev.Durbin for your comments. It's something I hadn't thought of before now. Thanks for sharing! Sincerely, Pam Drake padrake@psci.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Durbin" <eddurbin@adelphia.net> To: <OHHARRIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: [OHHARRIS] Pastors' Record Books > I often see questions regarding where one might find church records > and/or clergy Pastoral Records. Having been a clergyman all of my life, > I thought I might shed some light on the subject and make some > suggestions. > > I have a Pastoral Record Book of my own ministry containing primarily > Records of Marriages, Baptisms and Deaths that occurred in each of the > churches I have served. They are listed chronologically and are grouped > as such for each church I have served. Most clergy keep the same time of > records for their own reference or to provide information should those > for whom a service was performed request dates and other details. > > Usually, my records contain the full name, address at the time of the > the service, age -- if not birth date -- of the person(s) involved, and, > where appropriate, the name of the parents, place where the event took > place, etc. There is space in these record books for sermon titles and > other details that I found not necessary to keep. Sometimes, I write a > personal note for some events to help me remember something important > that was related to the service. > > I often wonder where such records end up after a minister is deceased > and after the family feels they have no need to keep them. I've never > seen such books on "E-Bay" and I don't believe I've ever seen record > books in a public library or historical society unless the minister was > a "famous" person. > > Currently, I have not only my own record book but also those of my > wife's late husband who was also a minister, and her late father's > records. > > Wouldn't it be great if we clergy persons were to leave them to a > local genealogical center in the area where we have spend most of our > lives and ministries? How might this suggestion become circulated? Could > individuals like yourself who know the family of a deceased minister's > suggest that the information in his/her record could be valuable to > those doing genealogical work given to a historical society or > genealogical library of their choice? > > Personally, I know that some of the parts of my records are missing > either because I didn't get them promptly recorded after the event or > else my Church Secretary may not have recorded them for me. This I now > deeply regret but that before genealogical research existed in the form > it now is and usually consisted of the family's information being > recorded in the "Family Bible." > > Needless to say, the minister's records do not take the place of > his/her church's records and might vary slightly in content since not > all the information in the Pastor's Records are applicable to the church > he is serving either to protect the individuals' right to privacy -- > such as a wedding performed years after a couple's children are raised > -- to formalize what had been a "common law" marriage. > > Regarding LOCAL CHURCH RECORDS of churches that no longer exist, the > denomination's headquarters should be contacted to see if they are > archived by that denomination's historian. > > Unfortunately, like some courthouse records, fires and flood, sometime > destroy records and since they generally are not kept under lock and key > or in a safe or vault, they are sometimes borrowed and not returned. > This is especially true of the older records in books which were filled > when a new record book is started. > > Tragically, I have some old family diaries that were written in ink > which appears to have been "homemade" and has faded so badly that the > entire book shows only the "flourishes" in the handwriting -- since the > quill would have spread at these places and more ink put on the page. > I've tried using ultraviolet light to bring out the missing part of > words, but the ink did not cooperate with a faint glow where parts of > the words were faded. > > I hope this information is of help to someone. > > Ed > > ______________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stephan-Stephen-Furbay/Furby Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1YB.2ACI/726 Message Board Post: Anyone know parents/siblings of Beulah Stephan who married James Furbay May 8, 1838? She was born June 17, 1804 and supposedly came with her parents to Harr. Co. from Reading, Pa. (Berks Co.) Was she married previously, as there is a child listed in the census that is older than their marriage? Could she be related to Thomas Stephen, born 1819, who had a dtr. Beulah Ellen? Would appreciate any help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Furby/Furbay - Luke-Stephan-Merchant-White-Watson-Kinsey-Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1YB.2ACI/725 Message Board Post: Would like to hear from desc. of this couple, especially concerning parents & siblings of both. Waitman, born 1762, prob. MD or DE, and Jane b. 9/1/1772 VA. They lived in Winchester, VA in late 1700's to about 1817 when they moved to Harr. Co. Waitman died in 1857; Jane in 1853; buried in Branson/Furbay Cem., Shortcreek. Names that married into this family are Beulah Stephan, Abraham Merchant, Margaret White, Daniel Watson, Hannah Kinsey, & Cynthia Smith.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1YB.2ACI/19.168 Message Board Post: Are you aware that there is a Handley Library in Winchester, VA? Many Harrison Co. folks (including my ancestors, Waitman & Jane Furby) made a stopover in Winchester before coming to Harrison Co. Thought you'd like to know.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rankin- Reeves-Dunlap-Robb Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1YB.2ACI/296.320.327 Message Board Post: Did your Rankin marry into the Reeves family, early settlers of Tusc. Co.? Also, do you have in your Dunlap line a Monica, dtr. of John & Susanna, who married John Robb in mid-1700's?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1YB.2ACI/319.1 Message Board Post: I have a Monica Dunlap (father, John; mother, Susanna) who married John Robb in the 1700's, and they located to Harrison & Belmont Counties. Does this tie in with your family anywhere? Thanks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/1YB.2ACI/673.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Just found this extended discussion regarding information from your Society. While it appears that the information has been removed, I wonder what was really on that site. Was that merely a reference to the Lilly Porter Collection saying that information was found there or was it posted entirely? If a researcher cannot post references to their entries, of what value are your books. I realize that many abuse things but am concerned about the implication of the discussion. I have researched extensively in Harrison Co and have been pleased with my results. In fact, that is reason that I became greatly involved in my local society for past ten years. Since I cannot provide information for you, I preserve the past for others in this area.

This is a long shot, but it works in some cases to identify out-of-wedlock parents. There was such a relationship in my extended family that was identified thus: The baby's grandma instigated a court action to get money from her (unmarried) daughter's father. That's how we know where the Mystery Boy came from. I had suspected an out-of-wedlock birth, but that's how it was confirmed. Occasionally a baptismal record, if you can locate it, will show the true parents, but more often will just show the mother if the parents are not married. (I found one from Scotland that said "Born from fornication". Can't you just hear those angry Scots rolling those r's in forrrnication?!) Susan Osburn Osburn, Dickerson, Rankin, Harris, McFadden, etc.

I'm hoping that one of you can suggest a way that I can identify the parents of an individual, other than through the census. I have a Hiram H. Cope, born July 1837 in Nottingham Twp. In the 1850 census he appears in the household of Samuel & Jane Cope. However, he does not appear to be Samuel's son. While Hiram was bequeathed the sum of $100 in Samuel's will, Hiram was the only heir whose relationship was not mentioned - and the sum was the same given to a grand-daughter. I believe Hiram's mother to be Samuel's unmarried daughter Martha, who died when Hiram was four years old. But I don't know how to prove it. Was there some kind of record that would require the naming of parents back then? I don't think birth certificates were issued as early as 1837. Do school records exist for this area - that go back that far? Were there obits written back then? Any ideas on how to attack my "brick wall" would be greatly appreciated. Gary Flynn geflynn@earthlink.net

To all that sent encouraging responses, I wanted to thank you, I have tried to reply to everyone, but it is now becoming to over whelming to answer everybody back. I can understand how these list administrators that have several counties to do, feel. I have several leads and on my other lines and many many awesome folks who have offered to help. I have been researching for just a little under a year now, and have found many people and information. I have made many contacts and feel that I can help others with what I have. I have researched all that I can on my Heckman family until I receive proof from St. Augustine's church in Minster, Ohio as to who my Clemens's parents are, I am stuck. Right now he is an only child, and that is hard to believe. Through marriage, baptismal, probate and land contracts, and cemetery records WE KNOW HE EXISTS!! Ha ha To all of those people that receive a couple of hundred emails a week, I understand, I am in the same boat. It was a one time shot and proved in my mind successful. Happy Hunting Thanks, Lorrie Heckman Smith smittysix@juno.com May God be between thee and harm, in all the empty places you must walk. Researching Heckman(n),Smith,Barga,Mertz,Dotson, Ratterman,Brussell,Keesee

My apologies to all of those that had repeats of this same message. Because my folks are spread out all over the country, I felt it was necessary to connect with all of the counties of Ohio. I did not understand that I would get such unfriendly mail from some people. Some of them were helpful. After reviewing the Acceptable policy use at rootsweb, I did not see anything about mass mailings. If one exists would you please direct me to that? Because of my limited access to information, the Internet is all I have. I am not able to get to many locations people have suggested. Thanks, Lorrie Heckman Smith smittysix@juno.com May God be between thee and harm, in all the empty places you must walk. Researching Heckman(n),Smith,Barga,Mertz,Dotson, Ratterman,Brussell,Keesee

Looking for researchers of Ohio Heckmans. Johann or John Clemens Heckman (Parents possibly Henry and Maria Catharina Heckman B. Abt 1831 died July 23, 1885 in Minster, Ohio married Bernadina Schillmoeller and Elizabeth Sturwald. There are variations of the wifes names Between the three of them they had 14 kids. All children were baptized at St. Augustine in Minster Ohio and St. Lawrence in Cincinnati. He may have been from Visbek or Vetchta in Southern Oldenburg. Not sure if he was Catholic when he came over. 2nd Generation Children of Clemens and Bernadina ****1. Henry Heckman b. May 26, 1855 Minster, Auglaize Co.d. March 03, 1893 St. Mary's, Ohio married Catherine Bergmann June 18, 1878 ***2. Bernard Heckmann born in 1857 in Auglaize county died 1931 Minster, Auglaize County married Clara Scheiper. (Schafer) 3. Agnes Heckmann born Sept 07, 1862 died Jan 31, 1890 - married Bernard J. Schmiesing on June 2, 1890 ****4.Clemens Heckman born Feb 28, 1865 in Minster, Ohio and died September 05, 1948 in Hamilton, Ohio he married Louise Haas 5. Antone Heckmann born 4-30-1867 died September, 04-1867 born and died in Minster 6. John Heckmann born November 04, 1867 in Minster, Ohio died-18-1942 is Osgood, Darke Co., Ohio married Agnes Liesner ****7. Caroline Heckmann born July 21, 1871 and died 09-26-1939 In Minster, Ohio married Henry Herman Boecker on June 09, 1891 *8. Mary Ann Heckmann born 10-22-1873 died 12-18-1957 married Henry Bergman . Josephine Heckmann born November 21, 1877 died March 11, 1958 married Bernard Berning. - Two infant males were born between Clemens and John. The first one being named John and the second was John Clemens. German families often named there children after a child that died in honor of the dead children. They were stuck on John and Clemens. Children of Clem and Elizabeth ***1. Elizabeth "Lizzy" Heckman born June 10, 1882 in Auglaize County and died in 1959. She married Bernard J. Leugers 2. Rosa Heckman born June 12, 1883 3. Joseph Heckman Birn10-1-1884 died 1896 The*** indicates that we have more information but it is not included in this request. We are trying to find out if Clem Senior was the first generation to step on American soil, or was he born and raised here. . We are trying to collect decendent information as well. Will share with you what we have Thanks, Lorrie Heckman Smith smittysix@juno.com May God be between thee and harm, in all the empty places you must walk. Researching Heckman(n),Smith,Barga,Mertz,Dotson, Ratterman,Brussell,Keesee Thanks, Lorrie Heckman Smith smittysix@juno.com May God be between thee and harm, in all the empty places you must walk. Researching Heckman(n),Smith,Barga,Mertz,Dotson, Ratterman,Brussell,Keesee