I am seeking the mariage and birth certs for my maternal great grandparents who were married in Muskingum Co, OHIO in January of 188/9. They died in Hancock Co, OH after 1919. Would like to correspond with others researching these family lines. Margaret Shank ( Arvada, CO)

Hi Len: I have some connection with the Punches/Pontius line. Margaret Hager mar'd Peter Punches and had at least 7 children. Somewhere I also have more info from another contact, but I have to look it up. Shirley OHHANCOC-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > OHHANCOC-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 16 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Surname PUNCHES ["Niesen" <hilltop@ak.net>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from OHHANCOC-D, send a message to > > OHHANCOC-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Surname PUNCHES > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 16:15:27 -0900 > From: "Niesen" <hilltop@ak.net> > To: <OHHANCOC-D@rootsweb.com> > > Hello - > > I am researching the surname PUNCHES from Hancock County, OH. The family > seems to have originated in PA. Have heard the original name was PONTIUS, > but am having trouble with connecting it. The earliest ancestor I've found > is Peter Punches, born in PA, living in Hancock, OH. An early deed shows > that he came from Pickaway County, OH. Prior to that, the line is lost. > > I would appreciate hearing from anyone who may have information on this > line. > > Len in Alaska

I am hoping someone recognizes this family. Thank you. Stephanie 1 Henry Cherry b: 1710 d: 1756 Newton, Bucks Co., PA . +Ruth Burras m: 23 Oct 1731 NJ ..... 2 Ruth Cherry b: Bet. 1732 - 1733 Bucks Co., PA *2nd Wife of Henry Cherry: . +Martha Wade m: Abt. 1734 Father: Robert Wade ..... 2 Charles Cherry b: 1734 ..... 2 James Cherry b: Bet. 1735 - 1740 PA d: 1804 Shamokin, Northumberland Co., PA ......... +Margaret Logan ............. 3 Charles Cherry b: 1761 d: Bef. 1842 ............. 3 Philip Cherry b: 30 Apr 1766 PA d: 20 Jul 1842 Burial: Harrison Twp Cem, Pickaway Co., OH ............. 3 John Cherry b: 1767 PA ............. 3 Joseph Cherry ............. 3 Abraham Cherry d: 1852 OH Burial: Springfield Twp., Clark Co., OH ................ +Margaret McManaway ............. 3 Mary Cherry ............. 3 James Cherry b: Aft. 1774 PA ..... *2nd Wife of James Cherry: ......... +Elizabeth Burras ............. 3 Jesse Cherry b: 7 Jul 1778 Berks Co., PA d: 5 Jan 1871 Amanda Twp., Hancock Co., OH Burial: Lee Cemetery, Hancock Co., OH ................ +Catherine Mertz b: 10 Jul 1782 PA m: Bet. 1802 - 1803 PA d: 25 Apr 1854 Amanda Twp., Hancock Co., OH Burial: Lee Cemetery, Hancock Co., OH ............. 3 Reuben Cherry d: 1810 OH ............. 3 Elizabeth Cherry ............. 3 Burras Cherry b: 1782 PA ................ +Elizabeth Ball m: 1 Jun 1821 Pickaway Co., OH ..... 2 John Cherry b: 1736 d: NJ

Hello - I am researching the surname PUNCHES from Hancock County, OH. The family seems to have originated in PA. Have heard the original name was PONTIUS, but am having trouble with connecting it. The earliest ancestor I've found is Peter Punches, born in PA, living in Hancock, OH. An early deed shows that he came from Pickaway County, OH. Prior to that, the line is lost. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who may have information on this line. Len in Alaska

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A212A49C18E54410C7EFA519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Halloo! Is anybody out there? Got this on the Licking list and found it interesting. Pages can be viewed and saved and printed as pdf files. Be sure to search for FINLEY , however, to find Findlay businesses. - Leah Pendleton Raney in Texas --------------A212A49C18E54410C7EFA519 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <OHLICKIN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail2.centurytel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05130; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:32:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03392; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:27:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:27:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <039001bf6da2$f0d53f60$a27e73d1@oemcomputer> From: "Jeanne Crews" <jcrews@eriecoast.com> Old-To: <OHLICKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:28:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [OHLICKIN] OH business directory 1860/61 Resent-Message-ID: <SbyRm.A.w0.f7Dm4@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: OHLICKIN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: OHLICKIN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <OHLICKIN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/940 X-Loop: OHLICKIN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: OHLICKIN-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 I got this from another list. It is the "Ohio State Gazetteer and Business Directory for 1860-61". Very interesting and easy to search. http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=AJA2907 Jeanne --------------A212A49C18E54410C7EFA519--

--part1_48.103a46d.25c71143_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_48.103a46d.25c71143_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: MJPinPTC@aol.com From: MJPinPTC@aol.com Full-name: MJPinPTC Message-ID: <1b.72c643.25b6625b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:42:03 EST Subject: (no subject) To: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb. com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 55 I have Abraham BEALS, b. 7 Jan 1798 in Maryland, d. 29 Dec 1855 in Hancock County Ohio. He married, 1836, Rebecca ALLOWAY, b. 12 Dec 1801 in Pennsyvania, d. 27 Nov. 1880 in Hancock County, Ohio. Abraham BEALS entered Hancock County on 17 Apr 1832 from Stark County. I don't know if these are Quaker records or public records. I do not have their pedigrees. Do you have them in your files? --part1_48.103a46d.25c71143_boundary--

Would like to correspond with others researching BROWN and ABBOTT families from Muskingum CO, OH whose above children married in 1888/9. The family moved to Hancock CO, OH where their daughter, my grandmother, Laila Mae was born in 1893. "Mae" married Oscar Harrison Winters in Findlay, Hancock OH in 1918. Mae had brothers Roy and Stuart/Stewart that I know of. Margaret Shank ( Arvada, CO) researching SHANK, GRANT, ABBOTT, BROWN, CRITES, POWELL, WINTERS

Just went to the BLM site ... http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ ... and was ecstatic to learn they are adding WESTERN lands information in February! 8-) Barbara DAVIDSON Norkus

Suzanna, Please feel free to track AFB Rose in Carroll Co, MO. It's been a while since I worked with these families. I have been focused on David Rose and Hannah Par, and his parents, Robert Rose and wife Abigail, in PA, NJ, and NY. I have a funeral card, obituary listing, and cemetery register that says Elizabeth Rose Hall died 14 Feb 1909, not 1908. More importantly for you, I have several records for AFB and his wife Mary in Hancock Co, OH. Mary had been committed to the state insane asylum at least twice. AFB had to take out a huge loan to pay for her keep. There is a large packet of material in the court records re a lawsuit filed by the lender to get his money back. Not very happy material. Shortly after he remarried, AFB and his wife evidently went to WI. Without digging through my files, I think I recall that one of his sons was there already. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanna Wells <wellses@ohio.tds.net> To: Gerald S. Lenzen <gslenzen@orednet.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 9:07 AM Subject: Re: War of 1812 Roster > Thank you. Now I know that they were in Carroll Co, MO. That has been the > sticking point since I didn't know where in MO. Have you written to Carroll > Co.? If not, I will do so. > > I have a copy of the obit on AFB's wife if you are interested. If so, send me > your address and I will send on to you. Also, I have the names of the > children. I would be interested in ANY info on the family that you have. I > will followup on whatever leads you have. As I am not a direct descendant, I > don't have knowledge about the Bible. Wish I did--my search could have been a > lot easier! > > I was sent these dates on Elizabeth ROSE HALL: 20 Feb 1826 Fairfield Co, OH d. > 14 Feb 1908 Buried Howard Co, MO mar. 26 Dec 1844 Obediah Hall. I also have > the names of the children, some w/spouses. > > Willing to share any info I have on the families. > Suzy > "Gerald S. Lenzen" wrote: > > > Suzanna, > > > > I've gone back and reviewed my comment to you about looking for a record of > > William Long in his parents records. I don't know where I got the idea that > > Williams parents could acquire his benefits. That idea is incorrect based on > > my own research experience. Ignore the recommendation. I'm still wide-eyed > > about his young age at death. Is that correct according to some record? Or > > is it family tradition? Had he been married? Why do you need much more info > > about him if he had no descendants? > > > > ----------- > > > > Aaron Fenton Burson Rose was the youngest child of John Rose and Margaret > > Berry. I have bits and pieces of information about AFB, his wives, and his > > descendants. My GGGrandmother, Elizabeth Rose Hall, AFB's oldest sister, > > died in AFB's home in Carrollton, Carroll Co, MO, in 1909. > > > > I tried to track some of AFB's descendants when in Salt Lake City several > > trips back. I wasn't too successful. As I recall, without digging through my > > notes, some went to Wisconsin, others to Indiana and Missouri. Christine > > Rose may have more descendant information that she has not included in her > > report on the David Rose and Hannah Par family. These are AFB's Great > > Grandparents. > > > > Are you a descendant of AFB Rose? I have been searching for a direct > > descendant of AFB for many years. A family history written in the 1880's in > > Indiana by Judge James Rose attributes the particulars in that report to > > Burson Rose of Hancock Co, OH. As far as I can determine, there was no other > > "Burson" Rose in the area at the time. I am assuming that AFB somehow > > acquired the family bible willed to his uncle, James Rose, by James Rose, > > Sr. I can find no other source that would have the details mentioned in the > > Judge Rose manuscript. I'd like to find that bible. Do you know of it's > > whereabouts? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Suzanna Wells <wellses@ohio.tds.net> > > To: Gerald S. Lenzen <gslenzen@orednet.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 12:01 PM > > Subject: Re: War of 1812 Roster > > > > > Is your John ROSE related to Aaron Fenton Burson ROSE b. 1841 Delaware > > Twp., > > > Hancock Co, OH s/o John Rose and Margaret Berry? Aaron mar. 1865 Mary > > Ann > > > ROLLER and 2nd 1902 Netta MATTISON. I have their children's names, but > > need > > > dates, spouses, grandchildren. Can you help on them? > > > > > > I had been told earlier that if he had died that the parents had no claim. > > I'll > > > have to look into that then. Thanks. > > > Suzy > > > > > > "Gerald S. Lenzen" wrote: > > > > > > > Suzanna, > > > > > > > > I am struck by the birth and death dates listed for the William Long you > > are > > > > researching as having died in MI in the War of 1812. It appears he was > > 16 > > > > years old at the time. Was this info from some record, or is it from > > family > > > > tradition? If he was really that young, he was probably not married. As > > his > > > > natural heirs, his parents could take out claims for his pension or > > bounty > > > > land. Have you looked in Virgil White's War of 1812 index for that type > > of > > > > claim? > > > > > > > > I have copies of both Hervey Scott and C. M. I. Wiseman's histories of > > > > Fairfield Co, OH. Neither one lists a John Long in their writeups. A > > John > > > > Long is listed in several locations in the early tax records of > > Fairfield > > > > County, OH. There appear to be more than one of them. If you are having > > > > trouble finding from where they came, you might try Huntingdon Co, PA. > > There > > > > were Longs living near and married into my Lane and Brown families in > > > > several genearations. They were in Fairfield Co about 1800. > > > > > > > > Family Tree Maker's CD # 175, Ohio Vital Records #1, lists John Long's > > will > > > > abstract on page 584 of Gateway to the West. His wife Sebena and son, > > > > Robert, are listed as executors. No other children are listed. William > > > > Roller and Andrew Poulson were witnesses. > > > > > > > > By coincidence, two entries lower on the page from John Long is my > > ancestor, > > > > James Rose. His executor, John Rose, was my ancestor. > > > > > > > > Gerry Lenzen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Suzanna Wells <wellses@ohio.tds.net> > > > > To: <OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:42 AM > > > > Subject: War of 1812 Roster > > > > > > > > > Looking for proof of a relative in the War of 1812. I'd like to send > > > > > for the military records. My ggggrandmother's brother's line showed > > > > > that another brother, William Franklin LONG b 1 Mar 1797 d. 6 Dec > > 1813 > > > > > (in/near Detroit, MI) in the War of 1812). I have looked for lists, > > but > > > > > have not found his name. TheyWilliam's parents (John and > > > > > Isabella/Sibella (THOMPSON) LONG) were in Fairfield Co., OH, in 1810, > > so > > > > > William probably served from that area. > > > > > They were not in Hancock Co. until the 1820's. > > > > > Any idea where to go from here? > > > > > Suzy > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Scott, The BLM website is www.glorecords.blm.gov/. This is a wonderful site. If you had ancestors that acquired land directly from the Federal government, you can actually print a copy of the original patent directly from this site. They have images as well as textual legal descriptions that can be downloaded. I do not know where the Warner history is available for lookup. It is fairly rare to find. More available is "History of Hancock County, Ohio, by D.B. Beardsley, Republic Printing Co, 1881. I would suggest that you go to GenWeb and search for the nearest large library near you that may have its card catalog on line. Look for either book. Both are fairly good. If you can find it in a nearby library, the research section will usually look up simple requests for you. You can uaually make the request by E-mail now. The Beardsley book has been microfilmed by the LDS. You can order film #1000318 from your local Family History Center. The history is the first item on the film. You will probably find a later history by Brown. It is a rehash of the other books with much of the family detail left out. My personal preference is either Warner or Beardsley. Each has different features. Both have lots of people stuff. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: SAFE,SCOTT (HP-FtCollins,ex1) <scott_safe@hp.com> To: 'Gerald S. Lenzen' <gslenzen@orednet.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: RE: War of 1812 Roster & the ROSE Family > Gerald - You mention the BLM Web site. Do you have the url for this? > > Also, for the book "History of Hancock Co., Ohio," by R.C. Brown Warner, > 1886, do you know where this is available for lookup? I am tracking EPLEY > family, and I have heard that both George and Henry EPLEY are listed in the > history books of Hancock Co. > > Thanks for the information, > > Scott Safe > > Scott_Safe@hp.com >

Thanks again Darlene. It does not appear there is a quick solution to this problem. Someone needs to research the appropriate county records in MI, once James G. Rose is located there. The 1860, 1870, and 1880 censuses should be checked to help locate the family. Beers says they were there by 1886. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Darlene Lewis <lewisnc@turbosurf.net> To: Gerald S. Lenzen <gslenzen@orednet.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: Re: War of 1812 Roster & the ROSE Family > Jerry...accordiing to the marriage book that our Hancock Chapter published > which containes marriages from 1828-1864...there is an * asterick beside her > name...so I looked in the preface to see what a * meant and it means that > the "date is for application ...no return filed" Does that help you? He is > not listed in the other 2 marriage books at all. Book #2 is 1865-1884 and > #3 is 1885-1898 > > Darlene Lewis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald S. Lenzen <gslenzen@orednet.org> > To: <OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: War of 1812 Roster & the ROSE Family > > > > Jean, > > > > No, the Judge Rose I was referencing was a son of John Rose. John was > > brother to James Rose, and son of David Rose and Hannah Par. Judge James > E. > > Rose of Auburn Indiana prepared a (partial) manuscript titled > "Genealogical > > Biographical and Historical Sketches and Reminiscenses from Records and > > Traditions of the Rose Family" in 1888. John R. Scoville of Butler, > Indiana > > located it in 1972. The mss was published in the Rose Family Bulletin, IX, > > Whole No. 34, June 1974, pp 937-940. > > > > Christine Rose also printed two reunion notices for this family which took > > place in the 1880's. They were in RFB , No.2, pp 31-32, and No. 3, pp > 55-57. > > > > I am alittle confused by the lineage listed below. I found a marriage > > license for James G. Rose and Emma Emily Saunders in the Hancock Co, OH, > > vital records. You indicate that James Rose married Emily Wolford. I know > > that the couple was listed with Andrew Wolford on the 1850 census in > > Deleware Township, page 82. Charlotte was not there. This fits with your > > ecord of her death in 1847. I have always wondered why they were with this > > family. Emily is listed as born in England. All the rest of the family is > > listed born in OH. Was she adopted? Was she the daughter of an earlier > wife > > of Andrew from the earlier wife's prior marriage? Emily just seems to be > too > > old to be the daughter of Andrew and Charlotte. I have assumed she was not > > related, and that James Rose was working for Andrew Wolford. > > > > Perhaps Emily WAS the daughter of Andrew and Charlotte. She is about five > > years older than James Rose. She may have been married once already, and > > married James under her married name. I don't remember looking in the VR > > files for Emily Wolford married to a Saunders. Maybe you could do that. If > > true, that would identify her first husband and probably confirm her > maiden > > name. There may be marriage and death records for Saunders in Fairfield or > > Hancock Cos, OH. If she was NOT the daughter of Andrew Wolford, then one > > needs to look for a marriage of any male Saunders surname to any Emily > given > > name prior to 22 April 1850. > > > > The 1840 census for Andrew Wolford lists one male 20-30, one male under 5, > > one female 20-30, and one female under 5. This raises the question again, > > Why are there not two female children listed? Pages 25-26 of that census > > list many of your and my family names. However, there is no Saunders > listed. > > The name Saunders is known in Fairfield Conty, OH, from where many of > these > > folks came. > > > > Final question, How are you related to the James G. Rose listed above? You > > call him an ancestor, but I don't see any descendancy listed in your > > lineage. He is a grandson to my James Rose and Sarah Norris through my > John > > Rose and Margaret Berry. John and Margaret's daughter, Elizabeth, who > > married Obediah Hall, was my ancestress. She was next youngest in age to > > James G. Rose. My line follows through Calvin Sigel Hall and Laura Hudson, > > Vallie Blanche Hall and Daniel Hale Taylor Jr., Ella Izora Marie Taylor > and > > Sylvester Otto Lenzen, to me Gerald Sylvester Lenzen md 1959 to Constance > > Lou Miller. My Taylor Grandparents and Hall Great Grandparents are all > > buried in Riverview Cemetery here in Portland, Oregon where we live. > > > > I have briefly looked through my notes for any other new info on James G. > > Rose. Beers and Co. "History of Hancock Co., Ohio," by R.C. Brown Warner, > > 1886, says that he was in Michigan at the time of publication. If you look > > him up on the BLM Federal Land Records web site, there are a huge number > of > > entries for James G. Rose. I have never tracked him down there, so I don't > > know whether or not that is your James G. Rose. It's worth a try. > > > > Let me know how you are related to the Rose clan. > > > > Gerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Cochranmia@aol.com> > > To: <gslenzen@orednet.org> > > Cc: <Cochranmia@aol.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:54 AM > > Subject: Re: War of 1812 Roster & the ROSE Family > > > > > > > Hi Gerry, > > > I have many ancestors located in Hancock Co., OH (Sebastian, Lowman, > > Wolford, > > > Elder, Bibler, Bradford, & on & on) including James Rose. I found James > > Rose > > > (b. 1825) in 1850 Census (Delaware Twp., Hancock Co., OH, Page 82) > > married > > > to Emily Wolford, sister to Margaret Wolford who married Aaron > Sebastian. > > > In 1850 he is living near my great great grandparents George & Jane > > > Sebastian. Is this the same James Rose you are describing as Judge in > > > Indiana? I was unable to find him after 1850. If so, do you have a > copy > > of > > > the family history written in the 1880s? > > > > > > Look forward to hearing from you. > > > Jean Cochran > > > cochranmia@aol.com > > > > > > Descendants of Andrew WOLFORD > > > > > > 1 Andrew WOLFORD b: 1811 d: 1879 in Hancock Co., OH, Age 68 > > yrs, > > > 1 mo., 6 da. (Earlywine Cemetery) > > > . +Charlotte (WOLFORD) b: 08 Nov 1815 m: Abt. 1830 d: 22 > May > > > 1847 in Hancock Co., OH Age 30 yrs. 6 mos., 14 days > (Earlywine > > > Cemetery) > > > ......... 2 Emily WOLFORD b: 1830 > > > ............. +James ROSE b: 1825 in OH > > > ......... 2 Margaret "Maggie" WOLFORD b: 15 Jan 1836 in Delaware > > Twp., > > > Hancock Co., OH (see Notes) d: 08 May 1917 in Jackson > > Twp., > > > Hancock Co., OH, Age 81 (Arlington Cemetery, Madison > > Twp.) > > > ............. +Joseph SEBASTIAN b: 1831 in Coshocton Co. or > > Hancock > > > Co., OH (Civil War-OVI, 133 Reg. Co., A, Camp Chase, > > Mustered > > > 02 May 1862, out with Company 20 Aug 1862; and > > Drafted > > > OVI. 47 Reg.. Camp Dennison, Mustered 26 Sep 1864, out 22 May > > > 1865- McDougal General Hosp. New York Harbor) m: 05 Mar 1854 in > Delaware > > > Twp., Hancock Co., OH d: 23 Jan 1918 in Hancock Co., OH > > > (Arlington Cemetery, Madison Twp.) Father: George > > SEBASTIAN > > > Mother: Jane FIVECOATS > > > .................... 3 Lucretia SEBASTIAN b: 1854 in Delaware > Twp., > > > Hancock Co., OH d: 15 Sep 1868 in Jackson Twp., > Hancock > > > Co., OH, Age 16, Typhoid Fever > > > .................... 3 Pleasant "Evaline" SEBASTIAN b: 1854 in > OH > > > d: 1933 in Prob., Hancock Co., OH (Arlington Cemetery, > > > Madison Twp.) > > > ........................ +Martin R. BAKER b: 1849 m: 18 Mar > 1875 > > in > > > Hancock Co., OH d: 1930 in Prob., Hancock Co., OH > > > (Arlington Cemetery, Madison Twp.) > > > .................... 3 Emma L. SEBASTIAN b: 01 Oct 1857 in OH > > > d: 15 Sep 1868 in Hancock Co., OH, Age 10 Years > > (Arlington > > > Cemetery) > > > .................... 3 Elmer H. SEBASTIAN b: 24 Jan 1862 in > Hancock > > > Co., OH (see Notes) (Member of Jackson Co., OH > School > > > Board) d: 30 Mar 1916 in Findlay Home & Hospital, > > > Findlay, OH Age 54 (Died following an operation for kidney trouble.) > > > (Arlington Cemetery) > > > ........................ +Ardella V. WALTERMIRE b: 06 Mar 1862 > in > > > Hancock Co., OH (see Notes) m: 05 Apr 1883 > in > > > Hancock Co., OH (8 children, 11 grandchildren in 1927) d: > > > 20 Dec 1927 in Hancock Co., OH (Arlington Cemetery) Father: > > > Washington WALTERMIRE Mother: Sarah BEAGLE > > > .................... 3 Arvid"Murrell" SEBASTIAN b: 01 Oct 1872 > in > > > Jackson Twp., Hancock Co., OH d: 20 Jul 1891 > in > > > Hancock Co., OH (Arlington Cemetery, Madison Twp/) > > > ......... 2 Isaiah WOLFORD b: 27 Mar 1844 in Delaware Twp., Hancock > > Co., > > > OH d: 08 May 1861 in Civil War, OH Volunteer Infantry., Co., > C, > > > Reg. 82., Age 19 yrs., 11 mo., 12 days. (Earlywine > > Cemetery) > > > > > > *2nd Wife of Andrew WOLFORD: > > > . +Mary Ann (WOLFORD) b: 07 Nov 1825 m: Abt. 1848 in Prob., > Hancock > > > Co., OH d: 31 Dec 1899 in Hancock Co., OH (Earlywine > > Cemetery) > > > > > > ......... 2 Emaline WOLFORD b: 1849 > > > ......... 2 William McClelland WOLFORD b: 24 Sep 1862 d: 11 > Oct > > > 1866 in Hancock Co., OH Age 4 yrs., 17 days (Earlywine > > Cemetery) > > > > > > > > >

Jean, No, the Judge Rose I was referencing was a son of John Rose. John was brother to James Rose, and son of David Rose and Hannah Par. Judge James E. Rose of Auburn Indiana prepared a (partial) manuscript titled "Genealogical Biographical and Historical Sketches and Reminiscenses from Records and Traditions of the Rose Family" in 1888. John R. Scoville of Butler, Indiana located it in 1972. The mss was published in the Rose Family Bulletin, IX, Whole No. 34, June 1974, pp 937-940. Christine Rose also printed two reunion notices for this family which took place in the 1880's. They were in RFB , No.2, pp 31-32, and No. 3, pp 55-57. I am alittle confused by the lineage listed below. I found a marriage license for James G. Rose and Emma Emily Saunders in the Hancock Co, OH, vital records. You indicate that James Rose married Emily Wolford. I know that the couple was listed with Andrew Wolford on the 1850 census in Deleware Township, page 82. Charlotte was not there. This fits with your ecord of her death in 1847. I have always wondered why they were with this family. Emily is listed as born in England. All the rest of the family is listed born in OH. Was she adopted? Was she the daughter of an earlier wife of Andrew from the earlier wife's prior marriage? Emily just seems to be too old to be the daughter of Andrew and Charlotte. I have assumed she was not related, and that James Rose was working for Andrew Wolford. Perhaps Emily WAS the daughter of Andrew and Charlotte. She is about five years older than James Rose. She may have been married once already, and married James under her married name. I don't remember looking in the VR files for Emily Wolford married to a Saunders. Maybe you could do that. If true, that would identify her first husband and probably confirm her maiden name. There may be marriage and death records for Saunders in Fairfield or Hancock Cos, OH. If she was NOT the daughter of Andrew Wolford, then one needs to look for a marriage of any male Saunders surname to any Emily given name prior to 22 April 1850. The 1840 census for Andrew Wolford lists one male 20-30, one male under 5, one female 20-30, and one female under 5. This raises the question again, Why are there not two female children listed? Pages 25-26 of that census list many of your and my family names. However, there is no Saunders listed. The name Saunders is known in Fairfield Conty, OH, from where many of these folks came. Final question, How are you related to the James G. Rose listed above? You call him an ancestor, but I don't see any descendancy listed in your lineage. He is a grandson to my James Rose and Sarah Norris through my John Rose and Margaret Berry. John and Margaret's daughter, Elizabeth, who married Obediah Hall, was my ancestress. She was next youngest in age to James G. Rose. My line follows through Calvin Sigel Hall and Laura Hudson, Vallie Blanche Hall and Daniel Hale Taylor Jr., Ella Izora Marie Taylor and Sylvester Otto Lenzen, to me Gerald Sylvester Lenzen md 1959 to Constance Lou Miller. My Taylor Grandparents and Hall Great Grandparents are all buried in Riverview Cemetery here in Portland, Oregon where we live. I have briefly looked through my notes for any other new info on James G. Rose. Beers and Co. "History of Hancock Co., Ohio," by R.C. Brown Warner, 1886, says that he was in Michigan at the time of publication. If you look him up on the BLM Federal Land Records web site, there are a huge number of entries for James G. Rose. I have never tracked him down there, so I don't know whether or not that is your James G. Rose. It's worth a try. Let me know how you are related to the Rose clan. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cochranmia@aol.com> To: <gslenzen@orednet.org> Cc: <Cochranmia@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:54 AM Subject: Re: War of 1812 Roster & the ROSE Family > Hi Gerry, > I have many ancestors located in Hancock Co., OH (Sebastian, Lowman, Wolford, > Elder, Bibler, Bradford, & on & on) including James Rose. I found James Rose > (b. 1825) in 1850 Census (Delaware Twp., Hancock Co., OH, Page 82) married > to Emily Wolford, sister to Margaret Wolford who married Aaron Sebastian. > In 1850 he is living near my great great grandparents George & Jane > Sebastian. Is this the same James Rose you are describing as Judge in > Indiana? I was unable to find him after 1850. If so, do you have a copy of > the family history written in the 1880s? > > Look forward to hearing from you. > Jean Cochran > cochranmia@aol.com > > Descendants of Andrew WOLFORD > > 1 Andrew WOLFORD b: 1811 d: 1879 in Hancock Co., OH, Age 68 yrs, > 1 mo., 6 da. (Earlywine Cemetery) > . +Charlotte (WOLFORD) b: 08 Nov 1815 m: Abt. 1830 d: 22 May > 1847 in Hancock Co., OH Age 30 yrs. 6 mos., 14 days (Earlywine > Cemetery) > ......... 2 Emily WOLFORD b: 1830 > ............. +James ROSE b: 1825 in OH > ......... 2 Margaret "Maggie" WOLFORD b: 15 Jan 1836 in Delaware Twp., > Hancock Co., OH (see Notes) d: 08 May 1917 in Jackson Twp., > Hancock Co., OH, Age 81 (Arlington Cemetery, Madison Twp.) > ............. +Joseph SEBASTIAN b: 1831 in Coshocton Co. or Hancock > Co., OH (Civil War-OVI, 133 Reg. Co., A, Camp Chase, Mustered > 02 May 1862, out with Company 20 Aug 1862; and Drafted > OVI. 47 Reg.. Camp Dennison, Mustered 26 Sep 1864, out 22 May > 1865- McDougal General Hosp. New York Harbor) m: 05 Mar 1854 in Delaware > Twp., Hancock Co., OH d: 23 Jan 1918 in Hancock Co., OH > (Arlington Cemetery, Madison Twp.) Father: George SEBASTIAN > Mother: Jane FIVECOATS > .................... 3 Lucretia SEBASTIAN b: 1854 in Delaware Twp., > Hancock Co., OH d: 15 Sep 1868 in Jackson Twp., Hancock > Co., OH, Age 16, Typhoid Fever > .................... 3 Pleasant "Evaline" SEBASTIAN b: 1854 in OH > d: 1933 in Prob., Hancock Co., OH (Arlington Cemetery, > Madison Twp.) > ........................ +Martin R. BAKER b: 1849 m: 18 Mar 1875 in > Hancock Co., OH d: 1930 in Prob., Hancock Co., OH > (Arlington Cemetery, Madison Twp.) > .................... 3 Emma L. SEBASTIAN b: 01 Oct 1857 in OH > d: 15 Sep 1868 in Hancock Co., OH, Age 10 Years (Arlington > Cemetery) > .................... 3 Elmer H. SEBASTIAN b: 24 Jan 1862 in Hancock > Co., OH (see Notes) (Member of Jackson Co., OH School > Board) d: 30 Mar 1916 in Findlay Home & Hospital, > Findlay, OH Age 54 (Died following an operation for kidney trouble.) > (Arlington Cemetery) > ........................ +Ardella V. WALTERMIRE b: 06 Mar 1862 in > Hancock Co., OH (see Notes) m: 05 Apr 1883 in > Hancock Co., OH (8 children, 11 grandchildren in 1927) d: > 20 Dec 1927 in Hancock Co., OH (Arlington Cemetery) Father: > Washington WALTERMIRE Mother: Sarah BEAGLE > .................... 3 Arvid"Murrell" SEBASTIAN b: 01 Oct 1872 in > Jackson Twp., Hancock Co., OH d: 20 Jul 1891 in > Hancock Co., OH (Arlington Cemetery, Madison Twp/) > ......... 2 Isaiah WOLFORD b: 27 Mar 1844 in Delaware Twp., Hancock Co., > OH d: 08 May 1861 in Civil War, OH Volunteer Infantry., Co., C, > Reg. 82., Age 19 yrs., 11 mo., 12 days. (Earlywine Cemetery) > > *2nd Wife of Andrew WOLFORD: > . +Mary Ann (WOLFORD) b: 07 Nov 1825 m: Abt. 1848 in Prob., Hancock > Co., OH d: 31 Dec 1899 in Hancock Co., OH (Earlywine Cemetery) > > ......... 2 Emaline WOLFORD b: 1849 > ......... 2 William McClelland WOLFORD b: 24 Sep 1862 d: 11 Oct > 1866 in Hancock Co., OH Age 4 yrs., 17 days (Earlywine Cemetery) >

According to another branch of the family, William LONG died in 1813 in/near Detroit, MI during the War of 1812. Since I had no proof of this, I decided that the military records should be able to give me the hard proof, even though he did die at age 16, if their records are correct. If he did not die at that time, then I could prove that too. ROSE Family: I'm glad I asked about Aaron Fenton Burson ROSE. I have hunted for his family for years in MO. All I had to go on was an obit for his wife and the name of the cemetery. After numerous letters, still no help. AFB/Burson's wife was a ROLLER. Her mother was a THOMAS, one of my line. I would be happy to share the info that I have with others. Perhaps between two of us, we will have more information than either of us had before. Suzy

Suzanna, I've gone back and reviewed my comment to you about looking for a record of William Long in his parents records. I don't know where I got the idea that Williams parents could acquire his benefits. That idea is incorrect based on my own research experience. Ignore the recommendation. I'm still wide-eyed about his young age at death. Is that correct according to some record? Or is it family tradition? Had he been married? Why do you need much more info about him if he had no descendants? ----------- Aaron Fenton Burson Rose was the youngest child of John Rose and Margaret Berry. I have bits and pieces of information about AFB, his wives, and his descendants. My GGGrandmother, Elizabeth Rose Hall, AFB's oldest sister, died in AFB's home in Carrollton, Carroll Co, MO, in 1909. I tried to track some of AFB's descendants when in Salt Lake City several trips back. I wasn't too successful. As I recall, without digging through my notes, some went to Wisconsin, others to Indiana and Missouri. Christine Rose may have more descendant information that she has not included in her report on the David Rose and Hannah Par family. These are AFB's Great Grandparents. Are you a descendant of AFB Rose? I have been searching for a direct descendant of AFB for many years. A family history written in the 1880's in Indiana by Judge James Rose attributes the particulars in that report to Burson Rose of Hancock Co, OH. As far as I can determine, there was no other "Burson" Rose in the area at the time. I am assuming that AFB somehow acquired the family bible willed to his uncle, James Rose, by James Rose, Sr. I can find no other source that would have the details mentioned in the Judge Rose manuscript. I'd like to find that bible. Do you know of it's whereabouts? ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanna Wells <wellses@ohio.tds.net> To: Gerald S. Lenzen <gslenzen@orednet.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: Re: War of 1812 Roster > Is your John ROSE related to Aaron Fenton Burson ROSE b. 1841 Delaware Twp., > Hancock Co, OH s/o John Rose and Margaret Berry? Aaron mar. 1865 Mary Ann > ROLLER and 2nd 1902 Netta MATTISON. I have their children's names, but need > dates, spouses, grandchildren. Can you help on them? > > I had been told earlier that if he had died that the parents had no claim. I'll > have to look into that then. Thanks. > Suzy > > "Gerald S. Lenzen" wrote: > > > Suzanna, > > > > I am struck by the birth and death dates listed for the William Long you are > > researching as having died in MI in the War of 1812. It appears he was 16 > > years old at the time. Was this info from some record, or is it from family > > tradition? If he was really that young, he was probably not married. As his > > natural heirs, his parents could take out claims for his pension or bounty > > land. Have you looked in Virgil White's War of 1812 index for that type of > > claim? > > > > I have copies of both Hervey Scott and C. M. I. Wiseman's histories of > > Fairfield Co, OH. Neither one lists a John Long in their writeups. A John > > Long is listed in several locations in the early tax records of Fairfield > > County, OH. There appear to be more than one of them. If you are having > > trouble finding from where they came, you might try Huntingdon Co, PA. There > > were Longs living near and married into my Lane and Brown families in > > several genearations. They were in Fairfield Co about 1800. > > > > Family Tree Maker's CD # 175, Ohio Vital Records #1, lists John Long's will > > abstract on page 584 of Gateway to the West. His wife Sebena and son, > > Robert, are listed as executors. No other children are listed. William > > Roller and Andrew Poulson were witnesses. > > > > By coincidence, two entries lower on the page from John Long is my ancestor, > > James Rose. His executor, John Rose, was my ancestor. > > > > Gerry Lenzen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Suzanna Wells <wellses@ohio.tds.net> > > To: <OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:42 AM > > Subject: War of 1812 Roster > > > > > Looking for proof of a relative in the War of 1812. I'd like to send > > > for the military records. My ggggrandmother's brother's line showed > > > that another brother, William Franklin LONG b 1 Mar 1797 d. 6 Dec 1813 > > > (in/near Detroit, MI) in the War of 1812). I have looked for lists, but > > > have not found his name. TheyWilliam's parents (John and > > > Isabella/Sibella (THOMPSON) LONG) were in Fairfield Co., OH, in 1810, so > > > William probably served from that area. > > > They were not in Hancock Co. until the 1820's. > > > Any idea where to go from here? > > > Suzy > > > > >

Suzy, I am planning to visit our local archives on Friday (Sumner County, TN). They have a book that lists people who filed pension applications (I found Benjamin F. Sickles from OH in it). I would be happy to check it for you. Have you already tried that??? Sandra Tipton > From: Suzanna Wells <wellses@ohio.tds.net> Looking for proof of a relative in the War of 1812. Any idea where to go from here? Suzy

Suzanna, I am struck by the birth and death dates listed for the William Long you are researching as having died in MI in the War of 1812. It appears he was 16 years old at the time. Was this info from some record, or is it from family tradition? If he was really that young, he was probably not married. As his natural heirs, his parents could take out claims for his pension or bounty land. Have you looked in Virgil White's War of 1812 index for that type of claim? I have copies of both Hervey Scott and C. M. I. Wiseman's histories of Fairfield Co, OH. Neither one lists a John Long in their writeups. A John Long is listed in several locations in the early tax records of Fairfield County, OH. There appear to be more than one of them. If you are having trouble finding from where they came, you might try Huntingdon Co, PA. There were Longs living near and married into my Lane and Brown families in several genearations. They were in Fairfield Co about 1800. Family Tree Maker's CD # 175, Ohio Vital Records #1, lists John Long's will abstract on page 584 of Gateway to the West. His wife Sebena and son, Robert, are listed as executors. No other children are listed. William Roller and Andrew Poulson were witnesses. By coincidence, two entries lower on the page from John Long is my ancestor, James Rose. His executor, John Rose, was my ancestor. Gerry Lenzen ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanna Wells <wellses@ohio.tds.net> To: <OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:42 AM Subject: War of 1812 Roster > Looking for proof of a relative in the War of 1812. I'd like to send > for the military records. My ggggrandmother's brother's line showed > that another brother, William Franklin LONG b 1 Mar 1797 d. 6 Dec 1813 > (in/near Detroit, MI) in the War of 1812). I have looked for lists, but > have not found his name. TheyWilliam's parents (John and > Isabella/Sibella (THOMPSON) LONG) were in Fairfield Co., OH, in 1810, so > William probably served from that area. > They were not in Hancock Co. until the 1820's. > Any idea where to go from here? > Suzy >

Looking for proof of a relative in the War of 1812. I'd like to send for the military records. My ggggrandmother's brother's line showed that another brother, William Franklin LONG b 1 Mar 1797 d. 6 Dec 1813 (in/near Detroit, MI) in the War of 1812). I have looked for lists, but have not found his name. TheyWilliam's parents (John and Isabella/Sibella (THOMPSON) LONG) were in Fairfield Co., OH, in 1810, so William probably served from that area. They were not in Hancock Co. until the 1820's. Any idea where to go from here? Suzy

Looking for information regarding Isaac Sausser. Married Elizabeth Hemry. Findlay 9/1836. 2 BLM land patents 1832&1834 Jackson TWP. Hancock, County. Sincerely, Andy Sausser Adult Services Librarian Huron Public Library 333 Williams Street Huron, Ohio 44839 419-433-5009 419-433-7228 fax saussean@oplin.lib.oh.us

>Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 04:53:05 -0800 (PST) >From: mbesson@iserv.net >Old-X-Envelope-To: <OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com> >Old-To: OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:50:25 -0500 >Priority: normal >To: OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/397 >X-Loop: OHHANCOC-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: OHHANCOC-L-request@rootsweb.com There were Pickens families in Putnam co, OH, north of Leipsic. Check the Putnam co records. Margaret Calvin. > I'm looking for info on William Pickens b.abt.1817 the son of >Thomas Pickens b.1792 & Nancy Reed who settled in Hancock >Co.William m.Elanor Van Dyke of Hancock Co. Other then my >g.grandfather ThomasJ. b.1850 m. Emily German was there any >more children born to William&Elanor,any info on Elanor's family >and what might have happened any info would be appreciated. > Thank You > Mary

I'm looking for info on William Pickens b.abt.1817 the son of Thomas Pickens b.1792 & Nancy Reed who settled in Hancock Co.William m.Elanor Van Dyke of Hancock Co. Other then my g.grandfather ThomasJ. b.1850 m. Emily German was there any more children born to William&Elanor,any info on Elanor's family and what might have happened any info would be appreciated. Thank You Mary