Marilyn, Either as adults or children is great. Lilian is the wife of William(jr). I don't know who Olive's parents are. I believe that William's(sr) father is John Wymer. I don't know who John's parents are either. I appreciate all the help. I've been looking for months on this family and haven't gotten very far. This group has given me at least half of what I've got. Thanks a bunch. Lisa