Thank you for all this. Don't remember if this is the E-mail I answered before. Since I last wrote we found out quite a bit more. Samuel Williams was heavily involved with the Western Methodist Book Concern before his retirement after he was the main clerk for Edward Tiffin in the Land Office. One of our cousins after receiving the information all of you sent found a map that showed Mount Auburn and Cincinatti at a later date, I believe 1868 after Samuel's death. One of John Fletcher Williams children we believe was adopted because he was born in 1855 before John Fletcher Williams married our gr. gr. grandmother but while he was still in school in Wesleyan College. He inherited a piece of land which I thought might be a clue to where the mother of this child was but turns out to be actually close to where I-75 now crosses, probably where the Millenium Hotel is standing. To make a long story short, I found this information and these links. Hope it will help someone else as several of these are to the Ladies Seminary which was in Mount Auburn, Cincinnati Orphans Asylum which was in Mount Auburn and the History of Cincinnati with all the chapters. http://www.alhn.org/~ahtopabp/orphanages/early.html http://dir.genealogytoday.com/orphan_trains.html http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=2683&o_xid=0040445766&o_lid=0040445766&o_xt=13174552 History of the Cincinnati Orphan Asylum, 1832-1882 About this book Source: History of the Cincinnati Orphan Asylum, 1832-1882 : the semi-centennial celebration at Mount Auburn, Cincinnati, 6th, 7th and 8th June, 1882.. Cincinnati. Press of R. Clarke & Co.. 1991. Notes: Errata slip inserted at p. 117. Subjects: Cincinnati Orphan Asylum. Orphanages -- Ohio -- Cincinnati. Ohio -- Hamilton County -- Cincinnati Table of Contents Title page Front matter Address by Mrs. Catharine Bates Address by Mr. Henry Probasco Statement of the Board of Managers Address of Mr. Edward F. Noyes Address of Mr. A.T. Goshorn Proceeding of the Semi-Centennial Commemoration of the Founding of the Cincinnati Orphan Asylum, June 6, 1882 Back matter Note:This is in Family And Local Histories Database-Ancestry.com ------------------------------- http://www.homeoint.org/books3/hospital/index.htm http://www.homeoint.org/books3/hospital/accredited7.htm#74-2 http://publications.ohiohistory.org/ohstemplate.cfm?action=detail&Page=0111145.html&StartPage=145&EndPage=&volume=111&notes=&newtitle=Volume+111+Page+145 http://www.clements.umich.edu/Photos/ill70-84.ndx History of the Cincinnati Orphan Asylum, 1832-1882 : the semi-centennial celebration at Mount Auburn, Cincinnati, 6th, 7th and 8th June, 1882 (Cincinnati : Press of R. Clarke & Co., 1882). 160, [1] p., [1] leaf of plates : ill. 24cm. Not in RLIN. --------------------- http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hamilton/HamiltonChapVIII.htm http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hamilton/HamiltonIndex.htm http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hamilton/HamiltonChapX.htm ---------------------- The Western Methodist Book Concern, located at 190 West Fourth street., Cincinnati, is one of the great, publishing houses of the world, and is a monument to the reading tastes and business enterprises of the denomination. This book business -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HISTORY OF CINCINNATI AND HAMILTON COUNTY. - 205 was begun for the church in Cincinnati, in 1820, by Rev. Dr. Martin Ruter, in a small room 15 x 20 foot, on Elm and Fifth streets. Subsequently the business was removed to George street, then to Main street near Sixth street, then to Main and Eighth streets, and in 1873 to its present and permanent quarters, where the agents have constructed an immense edifice eight stories in height and fronting on Fourth, Plum and Home streets. The entire property is valued at $450,000. The local advisory book committee consists of J. N. Gamble, R. A. W. Buehl, and R. Dymond, who have rendered valuable services. The publishing agents of the church are Rev. Earl Cranston, D. D., and Rev. Lewis Curts, D. D., under whose management the business of the Concern, with its branches at Chicago and St. Louis, amounted during 1893 to $1,046,298.30, and its profits to $138,853.60, all of which belongs to the Church and is used for denominational purposes. Rev. David H. Moore, D. D., is the editor of its leading periodicals, the Western Christian Advocate having a weekly circulation of 31,000. The sale of German publications and periodicals of the Western Book Concern amounted to $110,207.63, in 1893. ------------------------------- http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hamilton/HamiltonChapXI.htm PA Box 137 3 Catalogue. Mount Auburn Young Ladies' Institute, Cincinnati, Ohio, 1857-1858. http://www.ohiohistory.org/resource/archlib/research/women/education.html --------------------------- Like I said, I hope at least one of these will be of help to someone else in their search. So far I have not found a list of children from the Orphans Asylum but it does give the years of operation nor the Ladies Seminary which is not far from there. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hansen" <jrsh9999@earthlink.net> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: RE: Burial Place of Samuel Williams > Hi Pat, > The old Methodist church which was displaced by P&G was in downtown > Cincinnati where the P&G world headquarters now stands. The burials were > removed to other cemeteries as Bob S told you. > Wesleyan Cemetery is on the western side of the city, away from > downtown. There used to be someone on the list who was active in > transcribing the Wesleyan Cemetery records and putting them on-line (maybe > the site you found?). I'm not sure what the status of that is. There has > been a book published on Wesleyan Cemetery records, but that was quite > awhile ago, and it is my understanding there were a lot of errors and > omissions, and that a new and improved version is in the works. Someone > else on the list may know more. > Mt. Auburn is now part of the city, but originally located on a hill > north of the downtown/basin area, east of Vine Street (I'm not sure Vine > Street actually goes through Mt. A., although it's close by if it doesn’t). > Mt. Auburn pretty much merges into Walnut Hills. A big cemetery there is > Walnut Hills Cemetery (formerly the German Protestant Cemetery of Walnut > Hills), founded in the 1840s, I think. There was also a Jewish cemetery > and > a Catholic (German?) cemetery fairly close by. There were probably others > as well. > The map on this page http://www.jasche.com/1899cincy.jpg shows a > M[ethodist] E[piscopal] cemetery in the general Mt. Auburn area. I have > no > idea what became of this cemetery, or if it still exists. There are other > maps on this site (run by someone else who was/is on this list). > Vine Street runs north all the way from downtown near the Ohio River > until its name is changed to Springfield Pike in Wyoming, about 15 miles > away. It divides the city (and county really) into east and west. > Vine Street Hill Cemetery is located on the west side of Vine Street > in Clifton (or just west of Clifton) near the zoo, about 5-6 miles from > the > river, I would say. It's not in Mt. Auburn. Mt. Auburn is to the south > and > east. I believe a Vine Street Hill cemetery book is also in the works (an > update of an earlier edition). Maybe someone with access to the local of > the library can check for you. > Just throwing out some thoughts. Hope this is of some help. > Juliann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Scharf" <rmscharf@ocsnet.net> > To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:16 PM > Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Burial Place of Samuel Williams >> As far as that 'factory was built' statement is concerned, I believe that >> that may be a reference to an older cemetery that was in a area wanted >> for > >> a P & G structure. The remains were exhumed and moved to other burial >> spots, including Wesleyan. According to a P & G retiree, there were no >> gravesites visible when P & G acquired the land. However, when >> excavations > >> for construction were made, some gravestones were found under the >> Methodist fellowship hall. Following discussions with the church and the >> pastor, 8 feet of dirt was taken from that area and taken to Wesleyan. >> Any > >> gravestones found were placed on this site at Wesleyan 'along with a new >> marker commemorating the move'. It was surmised at the time that the >> fellowship hall had been built over the old graves as the church expanded >> and that is why the graves were found UNDER the building. >> Bob S > > -----Original Message----- > From: patriciamorano@bellsouth.net [mailto:patriciamorano@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:37 PM > > If someone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated. We are > having a difference of opinion as to the burial place of my three times > great grandfather, Samuel Williams who died-February 3, 1859 in > Cincinnati, > OH. We have finally gotten to look at his will and in it he requests to > be > buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery. I found what I think his a listing of > him > but no dates with it on a website. The rest of the family thinks he was > buried at Mt. Auburn Cemetery which I can find no record of anywhere. One > person thought that a factory was built over the cemetery and the bodies > removed. I also found another cemtery in the area that Samuel owned a lot > of land-Vine Street Cemetery. Vine Street is a part of Mt. Auburn. Can > someone straighten me out on this? Thank you. Pat Morano > > > ______________________________ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 > > > ______________________________