Hi Cheryl, I think I will be sure to include the source in the body of the message from now on! This email was from some time ago. These are names of men who are in an old (circa 1875) photo album of German Pioneer Society members (in possession of the Cincinnati Historical Society). There is most likely membership information on him as well in one of the Tracer magazines put out by the Hamilton County Genealogical Society. Do you have that information? It gives place of birth, birth date, when they came to the US and through which port, etc. Phyllis -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Fehring [mailto:cahf@fuse.net] Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] RE: KUHLMANN What is the source (and years) that you are using for the names below. I have been trying to find the parents of my husband's great-great grandfather Fredrick Kuhlmann. Fredrick has brothers by the names of George, Johann and Heinrick. Cheryl Hudepohl Fehring