After sending some of these (I have more that I will forward) to the German-Surnames mailing list, I thought it wise to forward them to these two lists as well. There may be someone out there lurking who has these same ancestors! LeeAnn McNabb ----- Original Message ----- From: "mcnabbuc" <mcnabbuc@netzero.net> > 1. Johann Borges, born about 1804 in Hanover (according to census). Not > much is known about this man - I haven't found his immigration data, his > naturalization data, his first wife or any church records that said his > place of origin. His second wife was Mary Meirosse, who he married on 18 > SEP 1849 in Covington, Kentucky. His first child was born in 1845, so we > know for sure Johann had arrived in the Cincinnati, Ohio/Covington, > Kentucky area by 1845. He was Catholic. > > 2. His wife, Mary Meirosse, born around 1827 in what her burial record > says is Dauwma, Germany. This is not the only time I have seen this town > name (though I can't find Dauwma, Germany on a map) - there are a few > other records for individuals in Cincinnati I have come across with this > as their place of origin. No more information is known on Mary Meirosse. > > 3. Henry Hemann, born about 1835 in Prussia. He was in Ohio by 1863, as > his first daughter was born then. He married Mary Abeln (born OCT 1836 in > Prussia). I have no marriage date for this couple. They had 5 children > that I am aware of. This line is my great great aunt's - she recently > passed away and I inherited all of her family heirlooms. Her father is my > ancestor, but as her mother was Frank Spiesz's second wife, I do not share > the Hemann ancestry. In her honor I am now beginning to attempt to trace > her Hemann and Abeln ancestry as well. This family was Catholic. > > > Compared to the others I've sent to this mailing list - Meirosse and > Hemann are the two I've done the least research on to date. > > Thanks again! > > LeeAnn McNabb > Cincinnati, Ohio

In a message dated 2/27/2005 2:43:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBergelt@aol.com writes: Hi, Very interesting information. I think it's a good indication of the "right hand not knowing what the left is doing" when it comes to decisions being made about privacy, records, etc. It always seems to me that the best method of maintaining privacy in copying family records would have to do with keeping the range within a certain number of years (say 75 or at least 50) and exceptions being made for more recent ones depending on the purpose and recipient. If the Social Security number is a problem, they can cross it out before distribution. It might be found on the SSDI anyway. Too many rules in too many places, basically. Best wishes, Ann Ann, Here in Allen County, Ohio I have been to the courthouse twice and both times the same girl waited on me and both times she said that she had had her shoulder operated on and she said that it was hard for her to lift the books. She is probably in her 20's. I am 51, and it is a lot harder on me to lift them than it would be a younger person. The second time I was there, she said that the copier wouldn't work right. I got the feeling that she just didn't want to mess with lifting the books. I live in Allen County, and I could help a lot of people if I could get copies of old marriage certificates for them, but if you can't get the copies of them, then you can't do anything. The marriage certificates that I wanted copied both times were very old and most of the people were deceased, so there wouldn't be a privacy issue. I have been to many courthouses in Kentucky and I have never had a problem with getting copies. It is sad to me that the courthouse in the county that I live in is so genealogy-unfriendly. I have thought about complaining to her superior but I don't know who that would be. Thank you, Charlotte Miller _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html)

Hi, Very interesting information. I think it's a good indication of the "right hand not knowing what the left is doing" when it comes to decisions being made about privacy, records, etc. It always seems to me that the best method of maintaining privacy in copying family records would have to do with keeping the range within a certain number of years (say 75 or at least 50) and exceptions being made for more recent ones depending on the purpose and recipient. If the Social Security number is a problem, they can cross it out before distribution. It might be found on the SSDI anyway. Too many rules in too many places, basically. Best wishes, Ann

Hi Marilyn, There are a lot of contradictions with record availability right now. I tried to order a record from Ancestry.com's company Vital Stats, and it was a horrible affair! I had to know just about all the data on the person before I could even send the form. For example, I filled in three screens of forms for my deceased aunt's birth certificate in Hamilton Co., Ohio, and then it asked in what hospital she was born. Well, she was probably born in a private home in 1921, and the form required an answer. I tried to put "home" "home birth", but these answers were rejected. Anyway, I found that this screen also required that I be her mother, father, son or daughter. Luckily I gave up because I then found that my order would have cost about $53.00! Also, At least for some states, I would have had to send a copy of my signature and proof of my identity and only the Lord knows what else -- a sample of my DNA? What is so strange about all this is that I can walk into my Indiana county courthouse and go through all of the original birth and death records that I want. I can write down any information, although it costs $5.00 to buy a copy. I can also go to the Preble Co., Ohio courthouse and copy birth, death records, wills etc. from microfilm. Why do you think this record availability is so paradoxical? Do you know of the best way to get a copy of a birth certificate for a person (aunt) born in Hamilton Co., Ohio in 1920 who is deceased? Sincerely, Susan

In a message dated 2/27/2005 1:45:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Kaesemein@aol.com writes: Hello Everyone, It seems kind of goofy to me, that when asking for copies of court documents, they don't want to give them to you or the SS numbers are crossed out, but if you go to the web page of the Hamilton county Clerk of Courts and look up any law suits filed, both SS numbers and dates of birth are on the copies that are viewable with Adobe Acrobat. My son-in-law's divorce papers are available for viewing along with the terms of his divorce decree, his SS number and birthdate, his ex-wife's SS number & birthdate, as well as the age, birthdate and name of their minor child. Rather scarey, I think. Marilyn Hi Marilyn, I agree with you 100 percent. Charlotte Miller _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html) _http://www.geocities.com/charlotte7274/index.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/charlotte7274/index.html) _http://www.geocities.com/my_ohio_photos/index.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/my_ohio_photos/index.html) _http://www.geocities.com/c81371/index.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/c81371/index.html)

Hello Everyone, It seems kind of goofy to me, that when asking for copies of court documents, they don't want to give them to you or the SS numbers are crossed out, but if you go to the web page of the Hamilton county Clerk of Courts and look up any law suits filed, both SS numbers and dates of birth are on the copies that are viewable with Adobe Acrobat. My son-in-law's divorce papers are available for viewing along with the terms of his divorce decree, his SS number and birthdate, his ex-wife's SS number & birthdate, as well as the age, birthdate and name of their minor child. Rather scarey, I think. Marilyn -----------------original message------------------------ In a message dated 02/27/05 10:54:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, bgband@cinci.rr.com writes: << I have run into the same situation at the Hamilton County Probate Court. It all stems from laws and regulations keeping one's SSN private. On records with the SSN, it was always deleted before I was given a copy of the record. >>

Hi Pat, If you go to the Archives of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, Ohio web site, there are instructions on how to send for information. They do charge $25.00 to research for one hour, so try to be as clear and specific with your questions as you possibly can. There is a sample letter on the site that shows how to set up your questions. The way that I understand it, the Archdiocese is a central archive that has all the old church data from the congregations in the Cincinnati, Ohio area. Am I correct? Last year, I sent for records, but I didn't get much information from the archive. It appeared to me that they did the absolute minimum possible, but they may find more for you. I hope this helps, Sincerely, Susan

Pat, To my knowledge, the only way you can get copies of Catholic Church records is through the Archives of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, 6616 Beechmont Av., Cincinnati, Ohio 45230. They charge $25.00 and will send as many records (up to 8 or 10) as they can find for you in an hour. Marian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Patsy31748@aol.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: [OH-HAMILT] BRAND church records > > does anyone out there have access to cincinnati church records. > > i am interested in these two: > > JOHAN BRAND b. 1787 Germany d. 22 Mar 1862 age 75 St. John the Baptist > Cath. > Ch. > > MARGARETHA KELLER BRAND b. 1792 Germany d. 15 Jan 1880 age 88 (could be > at > St. John the Baptist Cath. Ch.) > > thank you > pat gough

I have run into the same situation at the Hamilton County Probate Court. It all stems from laws and regulations keeping one's SSN private. On records with the SSN, it was always deleted before I was given a copy of the record. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rmcmaken@aol.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:16 AM Subject: [OH-HAMILT] Re: Laws in Ohio Question > In a message dated 2/25/2005 3:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > OHHAMILT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > I was talking to a lady here in Lima, Ohio today and she said that she > went > > to the courthouse here she wanted to copy some marriage records, and they > told > her that there is a new law that you can't see any records that might > have > social security numbers on them. Is it true that you can't see marriage > records in the state of Ohio any more? > > I went to the courthouse a couple of weeks ago and they let me go through > all the index books that I wanted to and then they got the books out that > had > the marriage certificates in them and I found the ones that I wanted > copies > of. > Then she started copying them and she said that the copier wouldn't work > right so she said that I could write down the information if I wanted > to, > so I > did. But it was a pain having to write it all down, it is not the same > thing > as having the document. > > Thanks, > Charlotte Miller > > I don't know whether the Ohio Revised Code has been changed, but here in > Butler County, Ohio, by order of the Courts, no one, except an authorized > staff > member of the court staff or Butler County Records Center and Archives is > permitted to view the original copy of any marriage record that contains a > Social Security Number. > > An authorized member of the staff will copy the original record, delete > the > SSN, and then give that copy to the person requesting the record. > > Bob McMaken > Volunteer Researcher > Butler County Records Center and Archives > > > > > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, > question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact > the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

does anyone out there have access to cincinnati church records. i am interested in these two: JOHAN BRAND b. 1787 Germany d. 22 Mar 1862 age 75 St. John the Baptist Cath. Ch. MARGARETHA KELLER BRAND b. 1792 Germany d. 15 Jan 1880 age 88 (could be at St. John the Baptist Cath. Ch.) thank you pat gough *************************************************************************** "Housework, if done properly, will kill you." --Erma Bombeck

can anyone out there tell me where the records for the OLD ST MARY'S CEMETERY might be kept now? i believe the cemetery was just under where the I-75 exit to LINN street is today. thanks. pat *************************************************************************** "Housework, if done properly, will kill you." --Erma Bombeck

yes, phyllis, the michael brand listed here was the musical director for the cincinnati symphony orchestra in the late 1880s. i have ruled him out as one of our BRANDS! believe me, if we had had a director of the cinti symphony in our ancestry, we would have known about it! lol. thanks for sharing! pat In a message dated 2/26/2005 3:40:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pgarratt@gessert.us writes: I just ran across some names in two old Cincinnati program guides that I have and thought there might be some interest in them as one of the names has been mentioned on this list recently. Grand Opera House Attaches 1892-1893: Harry Rainforth, Proprietor and Manager. Michael Brand, Musical Director. T. Aylward, Treasurer. Daniel Mayon, Asst. Treas & Secretary. C.B. Strunk, Chief Usher. H.E. Burcky, Chief Scenic Artist. Hester Romer, Mistress of Wardrobe. Harry Hopper, Chief Lithographer. There is also an ad for McAlpins that highlights their Pet Department (Infant's Wear). Odd name for that department. Executive Staff for the Crane Company: Frank Gray, Business Manager. George F. DeVere, Stage Manager. George Vanderwerken, machinist. Phyllis ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times of those we seek in Hamilton County is permissible, but MUST be kept within the list's guidelines. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx *************************************************************************** "Housework, if done properly, will kill you." --Erma Bombeck

In a message dated 2/26/2005 6:17:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Rmcmaken@aol.com writes: I don't know whether the Ohio Revised Code has been changed, but here in Butler County, Ohio, by order of the Courts, no one, except an authorized staff member of the court staff or Butler County Records Center and Archives is permitted to view the original copy of any marriage record that contains a Social Security Number. An authorized member of the staff will copy the original record, delete the SSN, and then give that copy to the person requesting the record. Bob McMaken Volunteer Researcher Butler County Records Center and Archives Bob, Thank you. Charlotte Miller _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html) _http://www.geocities.com/charlotte7274/index.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/charlotte7274/index.html) _http://www.geocities.com/my_ohio_photos/index.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/my_ohio_photos/index.html) _http://www.geocities.com/c81371/index.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/c81371/index.html)

I just ran across some names in two old Cincinnati program guides that I have and thought there might be some interest in them as one of the names has been mentioned on this list recently. Grand Opera House Attaches 1892-1893: Harry Rainforth, Proprietor and Manager. Michael Brand, Musical Director. T. Aylward, Treasurer. Daniel Mayon, Asst. Treas & Secretary. C.B. Strunk, Chief Usher. H.E. Burcky, Chief Scenic Artist. Hester Romer, Mistress of Wardrobe. Harry Hopper, Chief Lithographer. There is also an ad for McAlpins that highlights their Pet Department (Infant's Wear). Odd name for that department. Executive Staff for the Crane Company: Frank Gray, Business Manager. George F. DeVere, Stage Manager. George Vanderwerken, machinist. Phyllis

In a message dated 2/25/2005 3:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, OHHAMILT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I was talking to a lady here in Lima, Ohio today and she said that she went to the courthouse here she wanted to copy some marriage records, and they told her that there is a new law that you can't see any records that might have social security numbers on them. Is it true that you can't see marriage records in the state of Ohio any more? I went to the courthouse a couple of weeks ago and they let me go through all the index books that I wanted to and then they got the books out that had the marriage certificates in them and I found the ones that I wanted copies of. Then she started copying them and she said that the copier wouldn't work right so she said that I could write down the information if I wanted to, so I did. But it was a pain having to write it all down, it is not the same thing as having the document. Thanks, Charlotte Miller I don't know whether the Ohio Revised Code has been changed, but here in Butler County, Ohio, by order of the Courts, no one, except an authorized staff member of the court staff or Butler County Records Center and Archives is permitted to view the original copy of any marriage record that contains a Social Security Number. An authorized member of the staff will copy the original record, delete the SSN, and then give that copy to the person requesting the record. Bob McMaken Volunteer Researcher Butler County Records Center and Archives

St. John the Baptist closed in the 1960's. The records are probably at St. Francis Seraph Church but the friars there do not have the staff to do genealogical research. They refer you to the archdiocesan archives: www.catholiccincinnati.org/admin/archives.htm The archives should also ahve the records from Old St. Mary's. Jim --- Carol Sanman <carolsanman@cinci.rr.com> wrote: > Have you tried emailing the churches involved. > Here's St mary's website > http://www.oldstmarys.org/introduction/ > Not sure of the other one. > Carol > On Feb 22, 2005, at 7:24 AM, Patsy31748@aol.com > wrote: > > > > > > > does anyone on this list have ready information to > the old st. mary's > > church > > records? i am looking for any listings of the > surname BRAND. > > > > there could be BRAND listings at st john the > baptist church as well. > > > > dates include 1830 to 1865. > > > > thank you. > > pat gough > > > > > > > *********************************************************************** > > > **** > > > > "Housework, if done properly, will kill you." > > --Erma Bombeck > > > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > > This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. > If you have a > > problem, question, need direction or to report a > virus, please contact > > the List Mom off-list at > OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so > much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland > Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private > 'chit-chat' on this > list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to > the lives and times > of those we seek in Hamilton County is permissible, > but MUST be kept within the list's guidelines. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so > much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Tom, I grew up in Cumminsville. Our parochial school (St. Patrick's) was right next to St. Joseph Orphanage. I'm not familiar with a St. Peter's Orphanage in Cumminsville. The original St. Peter's Asylum was established around 1830 on Sycamore St. in downtown. By mid-1800's, the archdiocese bought land from Jacob Hoffner at Blue Rock & Cherry streets and moved the children from town to Cumminsville. The name was changed to St. Joseph Orphanage and remained in Cumminsville until the 1970's or so when it was moved to Montfort Heights. You might contact St. Joseph Orphanage, 5400 Edalbert Drive 45231 (513)231-5010 to see if they have any records. You can also find more on the history by "googling" for either institution. Jim in Cincinnati --- TTCarverFL@aol.com wrote: > > Greetings all, > Does anyone have information on the records of the > St. Peter's Orphan > Asylum in Cumminsville? > Searching for more information on four CARNEY > children listed below. > Thanks for any and all information in advance. > Tom in Florida > > 1870 Census Cincinnati, Ohio. > > St. Peter's Orphan Asylum, > Cumminsville Post Office. > > Mary Carney, age 6, born 1864 in Ohio. Parent's born > in Ireland for all. > James Carney, age 5, born 1865 in Ohio > John Carney, age 8, born 1862 in Ohio > Michael Carney, age 4, born 1866 in Ohio. > > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > ~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's Parade of > States Awaits! ~*~*~*~ > -- Table of all States: > http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Hello, I was talking to a lady here in Lima, Ohio today and she said that she went to the courthouse here she wanted to copy some marriage records, and they told her that there is a new law that you can't see any records that might have social security numbers on them. Is it true that you can't see marriage records in the state of Ohio any more? I went to the courthouse a couple of weeks ago and they let me go through all the index books that I wanted to and then they got the books out that had the marriage certificates in them and I found the ones that I wanted copies of. Then she started copying them and she said that the copier wouldn't work right so she said that I could write down the information if I wanted to, so I did. But it was a pain having to write it all down, it is not the same thing as having the document. Thanks, Charlotte Miller

<< John Colletta to Lecture at 2005 Ohio Genealogical Society Conference Popular genealogical lecturer John Colletta will be presenting three lectures at the 2005 Ohio Genealogical Conference in Akron, Ohio. The theme for the conference, scheduled for April 14-16, is "From Farmland to City Streets: Our Ancestors' Changing Environment." In "Passenger Arrival Records, 1820-1957," he will discuss the U.S. passenger arrival records of 1820 through 1957, which are available at the National Archives in Washington, DC, as well as at the thirteen Regional Archives around the country, any one of thousands of Latter-day Saints Family History Centers around the world, many libraries, and on the Internet. Colletta will explain what facts family researchers need to know to begin their search for an immigrant ancestor's ship, as well as how to conduct the search. Using specific examples, he will illustrate how to exploit National Archives indexes, published indexes and other pertinent research tools, including CD-ROMs and Internet websites. He will also address how to find the ship of an ancestor who arrived before 1820. In his lecture, "Italian Ancestry: Researching in the United States and Italy," he will explore key resources available here in the United States for tracking a family back to the immigrant ancestor from Italy, then describe the broad spectrum of civil and religious records available in Italy for taking that family far back into the past, generation by generation. He will discuss how resources both here and there may be accessed in the following ways: 1) in person; 2) by mail; 3) using microfilm via the Family History Library; 4) the Internet; and 5) hiring someone in Italy. In his third lecture, entitled "The Library of Congress: An Introduction and Overview for Genealogists," John Colletta will take the mystery out of using our national library, which he believes is a resource underutilized by genealogists. He will "walk" his audience through the institution, reading room by reading room-all twenty of them-and highlight the resources available. He also will discuss the extraordinary web site of the Library of Congress, plus make many practical suggestions (the lecturer has lived within walking distance of the library for twenty-six years). Finally, he will make a persuasive argument that a trip to Washington could advance your family research tremendously! Based in Washington, DC, John Philip Colletta, PhD., conducts workshops for the National Archives and teaches courses for the Smithsonian Institution and local universities. He lectures nationally and is a faculty member of the Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research at Samford University and the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy. His publications include They Came in Ships and Finding Italian Roots. His latest book is Only a Few Bones. The 2005 OGS Conference and accompanying exhibition will be held at the Quaker Square Convention Center in downtown Akron. The adjoining Crowne Plaza Hotel will serve as the headquarters hotel for the conference. The Ohio Genealogical Society is the largest state genealogical society in the nation, with over 5000 members in 94 chapters around the state and elsewhere in the U.S. It publishes The OGS Quarterly, OGS Genealogy News, Ohio Records & Pioneer Families, and Ohio Civil War Genealogy Journal. For more information, contact OGS at 419-756-7294 or ogs@ogs.org. The conference program is available on the society's website at www.org.org. John Colletta to Lecture at 2005 Ohio Genealogical Society Conference Popular genealogical lecturer John Colletta will be presenting three lectures at the 2005 Ohio Genealogical Conference in Akron, Ohio. The theme for the conference, scheduled for April 14-16, is "From Farmland to City Streets: Our Ancestors' Changing Environment." In "Passenger Arrival Records, 1820-1957," he will discuss the U.S. passenger arrival records of 1820 through 1957, which are available at the National Archives in Washington, DC, as well as at the thirteen Regional Archives around the country, any one of thousands of Latter-day Saints Family History Centers around the world, many libraries, and on the Internet. Colletta will explain what facts family researchers need to know to begin their search for an immigrant ancestor's ship, as well as how to conduct the search. Using specific examples, he will illustrate how to exploit National Archives indexes, published indexes and other pertinent research tools, including CD-ROMs and Internet websites. He will also address how to find the ship of an ancestor who arrived before 1820. In his lecture, "Italian Ancestry: Researching in the United States and Italy," he will explore key resources available here in the United States for tracking a family back to the immigrant ancestor from Italy, then describe the broad spectrum of civil and religious records available in Italy for taking that family far back into the past, generation by generation. He will discuss how resources both here and there may be accessed in the following ways: 1) in person; 2) by mail; 3) using microfilm via the Family History Library; 4) the Internet; and 5) hiring someone in Italy. In his third lecture, entitled "The Library of Congress: An Introduction and Overview for Genealogists," John Colletta will take the mystery out of using our national library, which he believes is a resource underutilized by genealogists. He will "walk" his audience through the institution, reading room by reading room-all twenty of them-and highlight the resources available. He also will discuss the extraordinary web site of the Library of Congress, plus make many practical suggestions (the lecturer has lived within walking distance of the library for twenty-six years). Finally, he will make a persuasive argument that a trip to Washington could advance your family research tremendously! Based in Washington, DC, John Philip Colletta, PhD., conducts workshops for the National Archives and teaches courses for the Smithsonian Institution and local universities. He lectures nationally and is a faculty member of the Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research at Samford University and the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy. His publications include They Came in Ships and Finding Italian Roots. His latest book is Only a Few Bones. The 2005 OGS Conference and accompanying exhibition will be held at the Quaker Square Convention Center in downtown Akron. The adjoining Crowne Plaza Hotel will serve as the headquarters hotel for the conference. The Ohio Genealogical Society is the largest state genealogical society in the nation, with over 5000 members in 94 chapters around the state and elsewhere in the U.S. It publishes The OGS Quarterly, OGS Genealogy News, Ohio Records & Pioneer Families, and Ohio Civil War Genealogy Journal. For more information, contact OGS at 419-756-7294 or ogs@ogs.org. The conference program is available on the society's website at www.org.org. >>

Bill, I started reading this message in hopes of finding my Anna Maria Wagener, instead I found my ex husband's family. My mother in law's grandparents were Daniel Gambrel and Catherine Bingham. Her mother was also a Lily Gambrel who married F Moore. Are the Gambrels related to you too, or were they related to Bob through another line? Karen Kiefel ----- Original Message ----- From: "bfogle57" <bfogle57@sbcglobal.net> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: [OH-HAMILT] Bob Wagner > Hello List, I am sure many of you remember Bob Wagner doing research for > WUNDER, WAGNER, FOGLE, DOWDLE and other families mostly of whom migrated > from Germantown, Philadelphia to Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Bob > had a unique e-mail address RWAGNERI945@aol.com. His address caused much > consternation because the letter before the 945 was an i and not a 1 > (one). Another guy had the 1 in his address and he cared nothing for the > WAGNER genealogy. Bob, (Robert Hartley WAGNER, Jr.) died one-year ago > today. He was a Viet Nam Veteran who was severely injured ultimately > causing his death for the defense of his country. I miss Bob, my second > cousin, and I am sure many of you miss him also. Here is a list of Bob's > ancestors: > > Ancestors of Robert Hartley WAGNER, Jr. > --------------------------------------- > +--- 5-Gottlieb WAGNER,b.20 Apr 1801,d.29 May 1866 > +--+ 4-Stephan WAGNER,b.4 Feb 1835,d.8 May 1873 > | +--- 5-Rebecca (Rebeka) Justine STEINDECKER,b.13 Apr 1806,d.31 > Oct 1858 > +--+ 3-Adolphus Henry WAGNER,b.12 Apr 1863,d.21 Jan 1945 > | | +--- 5-Dietrich (Adolph) William FOERTMEYER,b.Abt 1798,d.After > 1849 > | +--+ 4-Emma FOERTMEYER,b.3 Apr 1837,d.7 Aug 1894 > | | +--- 6-John GEORGE,d.??? > | +--+ 5-Dorthea "Doris" GEORGE,b.9 Dec 1802,d.17 Feb 1864 > | +--- 6-Doris SEINEKE,d.??? > +--+ 2-Robert Hartley WAGNER Sr.,b.17 Feb 1902,d.29 Jan 1980 > | | +--- 6-George WUNDER,b.4 Nov 1757,d.6 Nov 1825 > | | +--+ 5-Samuel Henry WUNDER,b.27 Mar 1788,d.31 Oct 1856 > | | | +--+ 6-Ann VANAKEN,b.16 Aug 1756,d.1840 > | | +--+ 4-William Wartman WUNDER,b.1830,d.23 Mar 1898 > | | | | +--- 6-William WARTMAN,b.Abt 1765,d.??? > | | | +--+ 5-Catherine "Kitty" WARTMAN,b.19 Aug 1795,d.21 Jun 1873 > | | | +--- 6-Elizabeth,d.??? > | +--+ 3-Mary Louisa "Mamie" WUNDER,b.22 Dec 1866,d.17 Jun 1964 > | | +--- 5-Jacob F. DOWDLE,b.Abt 1775,d.??? > | +--+ 4-Mary Louise "Emma" DOWDLE,b.8 Jan 1834,d.15 Oct 1915 > | +--- 5-Christina DOWDLE,d.??? > --+ 1-Robert Hartley WAGNER Jr.,b.24 Jan 1945,d.24 Feb 2004 > | +--+ 6-Green Berry DICK,b.1820,d.4 Sep 1877 > | +--+ 5-George G. DICK,b.12 Feb 1857,d.??? > | | +--+ 6-Sarah SPEARS,b.Abt 1826,d.??? > | +--+ 4-Abraham G. DICK,b.16 Jan 1883,d.22 Nov 1954 > | | +--- 5-Catherine,b.1863,d.??? > | +--+ 3-George Thomas DICK,b.15 Mar 1902,d.31 Mar 1986 > | | | +--+ 6-Gideon JASPER,b.18 Jun 1818,d.9 Apr 1871 > | | | +--+ 5-Thomas JASPER,b.1853,d.??? > | | | | +--- 6-Margaret JASPER,b.1823,d.??? > | | +--+ 4-Nancy Loretta Ellen JASPER,b.17 Dec 1880,d.26 Feb 1947 > | | +--- 5-Priscilla M. HUFFAKER,b.1855,d.Abt 1895 > +--+ 2-Nancy Ellen DICK,b.16 Mar 1922,d.15 Feb 2000 > | +--+ 6-Harlan GAMBREL,b.Abt 1825,d.After 1855 > | +--+ 5-Daniel GAMBREL,b.16 May 1846,d.10 Jan 1924 > | | +--- 6-Sealy PERCIFUL,b.1841,d.??? > | +--+ 4-Nelson T. GAMBREL,b.1875,d.27 Sep 1949 > | | | +--- 6-John Madison BINGHAM,d.??? > | | +--+ 5-Catherine BINGHAM,b.1 Aug 1855,d.10 Oct 1897 > | | +--- 6-Lucinda CARNES,d.??? > +--+ 3-Lillian May Wehling GAMBREL,b.17 Sep 1904,d.21 Apr 1956 > | +--- 5-James Henry SMITH,d.??? > +--+ 4-Nancy Ellen SMITH,d.??? > | +--- 6-William GAMBREL,d.??? > +--+ 5-Evaline GAMBREL,d.??? > +--- 6-Emily,d.??? > > If you desire more information please reply to this message. > > Bill Fogle > > Scanned for viruses by SYMANTEC. > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > ~~ The List GOLDEN RULE ~~ > Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestor that pertains to Hamilton > County. ...Positively *NO* selling or OFF TOPIC announcements or > messages. If you're unsure, email the List Mom first at: > OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >