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Are you erroring when trying to go to the conference adobe page? It comes up for me fine. Try the download the latest version of adobe link, shut your computer down after the download, bring it back up, then try the printable page link. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob" <bgband@cinci.rr.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] RUNNING INTO BRICK WALLS? > I went to the the website and followed the links to the registration form > for this conference but kept getting the message "error on page". Any help > or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Bob > bgband@cinci.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MHess138@aol.com> > To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:25 AM > Subject: [OH-HAMILT] RUNNING INTO BRICK WALLS? > > > > Ohio Chapter of Palatines to America is sponsoring their spring conference > > to > > be held on April 2, 2005 beginning at 9am, at the Midwest Hotel & > > Conference > > Center (previously the Ramada Plaza Hotel) on Sinclair Rd in Columbus, OH. > > Fee is $25 for members and $30 for non members this includes a day of > > lectures, continental breakfast, lunch and refreshments. Non members are > > always > > welcome. > > Topics are: > > A Panel to discuss genealogy software, The basics in German Research, > > Special > > Problems with German Names, Researching 18th Century Alsatian Emigration, > > Are your Pennsylvania Dutch Ancestors really Swiss? Locating the European > > Village of Origin for your 18th Century German Family. > > For more information go to www.palam.org/ or e-mail sjbhall@ aol.com Re: > > spring conference > > > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > > ~~ The List GOLDEN RULE ~~ > > Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestor that pertains to Hamilton > > County. ...Positively *NO* selling or OFF TOPIC announcements or > > messages. If you're unsure, email the List Mom first at: > > OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact > the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

I went to the the website and followed the links to the registration form for this conference but kept getting the message "error on page". Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Bob bgband@cinci.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <MHess138@aol.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [OH-HAMILT] RUNNING INTO BRICK WALLS? > Ohio Chapter of Palatines to America is sponsoring their spring conference > to > be held on April 2, 2005 beginning at 9am, at the Midwest Hotel & > Conference > Center (previously the Ramada Plaza Hotel) on Sinclair Rd in Columbus, OH. > Fee is $25 for members and $30 for non members this includes a day of > lectures, continental breakfast, lunch and refreshments. Non members are > always > welcome. > Topics are: > A Panel to discuss genealogy software, The basics in German Research, > Special > Problems with German Names, Researching 18th Century Alsatian Emigration, > Are your Pennsylvania Dutch Ancestors really Swiss? Locating the European > Village of Origin for your 18th Century German Family. > For more information go to www.palam.org/ or e-mail sjbhall@ aol.com Re: > spring conference > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > ~~ The List GOLDEN RULE ~~ > Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestor that pertains to Hamilton > County. ...Positively *NO* selling or OFF TOPIC announcements or > messages. If you're unsure, email the List Mom first at: > OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi List, I am looking for some information on the family of Truman Strong who lived in Miami Township in 1830. By 1840, Truman and his wife Rachel are living in Colerain where they remain until the 1860's. I would like to know when Truman and Rachel were married, believe in would be in the late 1820's in either Miami Township or in Colerain. Believe Rachel's maiden name is Booth or Boothby. Children of Truman and Elizabeth are: 1. John W. born in Cincinatti about 1832. He married Elizabeth Yanney in Hamilton County. 2. William born about 1836, most likely in the area. 3. Truman born about 1839. 4. George born about 1845. 5. Mary born about 1851. Truman was farmer in the area for many, many years and am hoping that there maybe information on him or a write up on him in some historical book. I believe Truman may have died at some point after the 1860 federal census where I loose all track of him. I am hoping maybe he is buried in one of the cemeteries in the area of Colerain. If anyone could help me out with this, it would be most helpful. Also, could someone tell me what type of community Colerain was in those days? Also, I am trying to determine if this family was Quackers...any suggestions as how to go about determining that? Thanks for your time, Paula

If anyone has any questions or comments on this genealogy report, or think they may be related, please do let me know! I do apologize as there are probably a few errors in spelling or spacing in these, when I convert them from PAF to FTW then to RTF to get them in the emails, there are a few things that bring up "errors" that can't be converted. LeeAnn McNabb Cincinnati, Ohio Descendants of Franz Joseph Rosenfelder Generation No. 1 1. FRANZ JOSEPH1 ROSENFELDER was born Abt. 1825 in Unknown, Baden, Germany, and died February 07, 1892 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. He married MARIE ANNA LOHNE June 01, 1855 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, daughter of KARL LOHNE and MONIKA HOERDT. She was born October 03, 1834 in Lauf, Baden, Germany, and died April 06, 1911 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Notes for FRANZ JOSEPH ROSENFELDER: Is not listed in the Baden Emigration Index, therefore emigrated from Baden illegally. Arrived on the same ship (Virginia) as Rosalie and Marie Anna Lohne in January of 1854 in New Orleans. Then came up the river into Cincinnati, Ohio. At the Walnut Hills Cemetery in Cincinnati there is a large ROSENFELDER stone with the following single names attached, all of which are a part of this family: Papa (Louis), Mama (Maria Lohne), Louis, Kitty, Otto, Caroline and Lucien. In the same plot is Robert and Mayme Rosenfelder (Robert is a son of Louis and Maria). More About FRANZ JOSEPH ROSENFELDER: Burial: February 10, 1892, Walnut Hills Cemetery Cause of Death: Schlerosis of the Liver Immigration: January 1854, New Orleans, Louisiana Occupation: Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; Occupation: Restaurant/Saloon Owner Religion: Appears to have been Protestant More About MARIE ANNA LOHNE: Burial: April 08, 1911, Walnut Hills Cemetery, Pike County, Indiana Immigration: January 1854, New Orleans, Louisiana Religion: Catholic Children of FRANZ ROSENFELDER and MARIE LOHNE are: i. BERTHA2 ROSENFELDER, b. Abt. 1842; d. September 04, 1862. More About BERTHA ROSENFELDER: Burial: September 05, 1862, Walnut Hills Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio 2. ii. LOUIS ROSENFELDER JR., b. Abt. 1851, Ohio; d. January 31, 1917. iii. PAULINE ROSENFELDER, b. Abt. 1855, Ohio. Notes for PAULINE ROSENFELDER: I looked for marriage records until 1903 but I didn't find one - she may have died? 3. iv. WILLIAM E. ROSENFELDER, b. Abt. 1859, Ohio. v. OTTO ROSENFELDER, b. Abt. 1862, Ohio; d. May 08, 1864, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. More About OTTO ROSENFELDER: Burial: May 10, 1864, Walnut Hills Cemetery vi. MARIA ROSENFELDER, b. December 15, 1864, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. December 15, 1864, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. More About MARIA ROSENFELDER: Burial: December 15, 1864, Walnut Hills Cemetery vii. EMMA ROSENFELDER, b. May 1866, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. July 08, 1867, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. More About EMMA ROSENFELDER: Burial: July 09, 1867, West Hills Nursing Home, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio viii. OTTO J. ROSENFELDER, b. Abt. 1868, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. September 11, 1908, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Notes for OTTO J. ROSENFELDER: Lived on Belle Avenue More About OTTO J. ROSENFELDER: Burial: September 14, 1908, Walnut Hills Cemetery Occupation: Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; Occupation: "designer" ix. CHARLES J. ROSENFELDER, b. Abt. 1869, Ohio, USA; d. June 18, 1950. More About CHARLES J. ROSENFELDER: Burial: June 28, 1950, Walnut Hills Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio Occupation: 1910, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA; Occupation: "Wholesale Notions" x. CELIA OR CECILIA ROSENFELDER, b. Abt. 1870, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. Aft. 1950; m. KING. Notes for CELIA OR CECILIA ROSENFELDER: Noted at the following addresses in Cincinnati: 2421 McMicken and 2120 Hudson More About CELIA OR CECILIA ROSENFELDER: Occupation: Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; Occupation: Saleslady 4. xi. THERESA ROSENFELDER, b. August 02, 1874, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. January 31, 1905, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. xii. FRANK ROSENFELDER, b. September 19, 1875, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. 5. xiii. ROBERT ROSENFELDER, b. January 22, 1879, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. May 19, 1928. Generation No. 2 2. LOUIS2 ROSENFELDER JR. (FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born Abt. 1851 in Ohio, and died January 31, 1917. He married WILHELMINA WILLINGER February 02, 1880 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. She was born Abt. 1860, and died December 12, 1899 in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. More About LOUIS ROSENFELDER JR.: Burial: February 03, 1917, Walnut Hills Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio Occupation: Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; Occupation: Guard at Water Works and Work House, as well as proprietor of Frenchmen's Corner (liquor and fine cheeses) Religion: Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; Religion: Attended St. Peters German Evangelical Church Children of LOUIS ROSENFELDER and WILHELMINA WILLINGER are: i. KATIE3 ROSENFELDER. 6. ii. OTTO LOUIS ROSENFELDER, b. January 28, 1881, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. November 12, 1957, Lebanon, Ohio. 7. iii. VIOLA ROSENFELDER, b. May 08, 1884, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. April 06, 1961, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. 8. iv. ESTELLA ROSENFELDER, b. January 14, 1886, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. October 24, 1959, San Diego, California, USA. 9. v. WILLIAM BERNARD ROSENFELDER, b. November 01, 1889, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. October 16, 1969, Salem Park Nursing Home, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. vi. ERNESTINA ROSENFELDER, b. August 20, 1892, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. March 17, 1894, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. More About ERNESTINA ROSENFELDER: Burial: March 19, 1894, Spring Grove Cemetery 3. WILLIAM E.2 ROSENFELDER (FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born Abt. 1859 in Ohio. He married CATHERINE NEWTON. She was born Abt. 1861, and died November 24, 1891. Notes for WILLIAM E. ROSENFELDER: In various Cincinnati directories we find the family living at 105 Emming, 481 Vine, and 16 8 E. 5th A bit confused as to wife of William Rosenfelder. I see a William Rosenfelder marrying Kittie Barrs on 08 OCT 1884 and then a William E. Rosenfelder to a Katie Kubisch on 25 MAY 1892 . I did not find a marriage record to a Catherine Newtown. More About WILLIAM E. ROSENFELDER: Occupation: Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; Occupation: "Barkeep", "Driver" Notes for CATHERINE NEWTON: This may be Katherine Barrs who married a William Rosenfelder on 09 OCT 1884 in Hamilton County. I know that in the 1885 Cincinnati City Directory Catherine is listed as a "cigar maker " living at 481 Vine (this is of course after she's already married to William). More About CATHERINE NEWTON: Burial: November 26, 1891, Walnut Hills Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio Child of WILLIAM ROSENFELDER and CATHERINE NEWTON is: i. LOUIS3 ROSENFELDER, b. November 17, 1886, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. October 17, 1934, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Notes for LOUIS ROSENFELDER: Notes from Walnut Hills Cemetery say he was single. But when he filled out his WWI Draft Registration Card he stated he was married. He is listed variously as a Ice Peddler and a Teamster. On WWIDRC it lists 129 Pete Court as his address. More About LOUIS ROSENFELDER: Burial: October 20, 1924, Walnut Hills Cemetery 4. THERESA2 ROSENFELDER (FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born August 02, 1874 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died January 31, 1905 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. She married FRANK SPIESZ March 21, 1894 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, son of GEORGE SPIESZ and CHRISTINA BRUECKMANN. He was born October 18, 1866 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died January 04, 1947 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. More About THERESA ROSENFELDER: Burial: February 02, 1905, Spring Grove Cemetery Cause of Death: Spinal Meningitis Notes for FRANK SPIESZ: Note there are two different birth dates I am finding for my Frank. It's either 18 OCT 186 6 or 20 SEP 1867. I have a picture of the families home at 1153 Bates Avenue taken 5 AUG 1928, and the home at 2831 McMicken Avenue. I have a copy of the marriage record for Frank and Theresa, and an original copy of the marriage certificate for Frank and Josephine. Lived at 51 Harrison Avenue with his father and family until the early 1890s. 1894-1895 - 733 West McMicken Avenue 1899-1900 - 2142 Turner 1907 - 2409 McMicken Avenue 1917 - 1535 Jones 1929-1930 1153 Bates Avenue 1933-1934 - 1153 Bates Avenue 1939 - 33 W. 9th, apt. 34 1910 Census - Cincinnati, Ohio - 2831 McMicken Frank Spiesz, age 43, second marriage, born Ohio, parents Germany, Cutter at Clothing House Josephine, age 32, first marriage, born Ohio, parents Germany Iva, age 15, born Ohio, works at shoe factory Mildred V, age 5, born Ohio Kathryn, age 1 and 1 month, born Ohio Aunt Kay (Kathryn Helen Campbell) described her father as having "light brown hair, blueish green eyes, and average build". She said he liked "pool and baseball". He was "quiet and mild-mannered". His occupation was a tailor and he homebrewed his whole life. More About FRANK SPIESZ: Burial: St. Joseph's Cemetery in Cincinnati Occupation: 1885, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; Occupation: Was a Tailor or Cutter at his father's business on Harrison Avenue Children of THERESA ROSENFELDER and FRANK SPIESZ are: i. THERESA3 SPIESZ, b. May 03, 1894, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. ii. IVA SPIESZ, b. Abt. 1895, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA; m. ERNEST FERRARI; b. September 01, 1902, Ohio; d. June 1975, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Notes for IVA SPIESZ: Can't find marriage record at Hamilton County Courthouse. More About ERNEST FERRARI: Occupation: 1930, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA; Occupation: Commercial Traveler for a Wholesale Grocer iii. MARGUERITE SPIESZ, b. August 29, 1896, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. March 26, 1897, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Notes for MARGUERITE SPIESZ: I have a copy of her funeral notice More About MARGUERITE SPIESZ: Burial: March 28, 1897, Spring Grove Cemetery 10. iv. MILDRED VIOLA SPIESZ, b. December 23, 1904, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. May 30, 1994, Covington, Kentucky, USA. 5. ROBERT2 ROSENFELDER (FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born January 22, 1879 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died May 19, 1928. He married MAYME SCHROTH June 20, 1905 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, daughter of JOHN SCHROTH and EMMA PRETT. She was born 1887, and died May 01, 1967 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Notes for ROBERT ROSENFELDER: Various addresses in Cincinnati: 1522 Bremen, 3139 Vine, 8313 Kenwood, 2909 Glendora. Serve d in World War I. Listed as a Salesman at Hauke ? on his WWIDRC. Addresses for this family : 1522 Bremen, 3139 Vine, 8313 Kenwood, and 2909 Glendora. I have a picture of the gravestone for him and his wife from Walnut Hills Cemetery in Cincinnati, Ohio. More About ROBERT ROSENFELDER: Burial: May 21, 1928, Walnut Hills Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio Notes for MAYME SCHROTH: I have her and Robert's gravestone photo, and it states her death year as 1967, whereas Walnut Hills Cemetery Records state 1961. More About MAYME SCHROTH: Burial: May 05, 1967, Walnut Hills Cemetery Children of ROBERT ROSENFELDER and MAYME SCHROTH are: i. MILDRED EMMA MARIE3 ROSENFELDER, b. June 23, 1906, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Notes for MILDRED EMMA MARIE ROSENFELDER: Was a Stenographer ii. JOHN R. ROSENFELDER, b. January 10, 1909, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. May 20, 1979, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Notes for JOHN R. ROSENFELDER: "Clerk" It says in the Spring Grove Cemetery records that he is divorced. Not known at this time i f there are children or what his wife's name was. More About JOHN R. ROSENFELDER: Burial: Spring Grove Cemetery Generation No. 3 6. OTTO LOUIS3 ROSENFELDER (LOUIS2, FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born January 28, 1881 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died November 12, 1957 in Lebanon, Ohio. He married FRIEDA STEFFEN April 27, 1907 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, daughter of MATTHEW STEFFEN. She was born September 17, 1885 in Kentucky, and died February 20, 1967 in South Gate Nursing Home, Morrow, Ohio. Notes for OTTO LOUIS ROSENFELDER: "Machinist", "Foreman", "Electrotyper" Lived on Bell Avenue for a while, then moved to Hand Avenue in Ryland, Kentucky More About OTTO LOUIS ROSENFELDER: Burial: November 12, 1957, Spring Grove Cemetery Notes for FRIEDA STEFFEN: The informant for the records at Spring Grove Cemetery were given by her daughter Mrs. Harold Downing. Which daughter married Harold Downing? More About FRIEDA STEFFEN: Burial: February 22, 1967, Spring Grove Cemetery Children of OTTO ROSENFELDER and FRIEDA STEFFEN are: i. RUTH E4 ROSENFELDER, b. Ohio. ii. CLIFFORD ROSENFELDER, b. Ohio. iii. IDA CORINE ROSENFELDER, b. March 04, 1903, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. June 25, 1991, Ohio. Notes for IDA CORINE ROSENFELDER: First was married to an unknown Schmartz, then to an unknown Keilson. 7. VIOLA3 ROSENFELDER (LOUIS2, FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born May 08, 1884 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died April 06, 1961 in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. She married FRANK SCHWAIN October 26, 1910 in Hamilton County, Ohio, USA, son of MARTIN SCHWEIN and PHILOMENA MARX. He was born Abt. 1868 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, USA. Notes for VIOLA ROSENFELDER: Worked at the library before marriage and lived at 817 Dayton. Marriage Notes for VIOLA ROSENFELDER and FRANK SCHWAIN: by Catholic Priest (James A. Moore) Children of VIOLA ROSENFELDER and FRANK SCHWAIN are: i. ALICE4 SCHWAIN. ii. FRANK ROBERT SCHWAIN, b. February 05, 1913, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. June 07, 1967, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; m. GEORGIA CHARLOTTE VOEGELE; b. February 26, 1910; d. January 16, 2001, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. 8. ESTELLA3 ROSENFELDER (LOUIS2, FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born January 14, 1886 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died October 24, 1959 in San Diego, California, USA. She married CHARLES EDWARD ROSENBERGER July 27, 1910 in San Diego, California, USA, son of R. W. ROSENBURGER. He was born September 14, 1871 in Iowa, and died March 05, 1964 in San Diego, California, USA. More About ESTELLA ROSENFELDER: Occupation: 1930, San Diego, California, USA; Occupation: Saleslady at Fruitstand Notes for CHARLES EDWARD ROSENBERGER: Living with father R.W. Rosenberger in 1880 in Sumner, Iowa County, IA In 1930 census they were living on Magnolin Street in "El Cajon". More About CHARLES EDWARD ROSENBERGER: Occupation: 1930, San Diego, California, USA; Occupation: Retail Merchant at Fruit Store Child of ESTELLA ROSENFELDER and CHARLES ROSENBERGER is: i. BETTY ALLEEN4 ROSENBERGER, b. June 18, 1911, San Diego, California, USA; d. September 22, 1989, San Diego, California, USA. 9. WILLIAM BERNARD3 ROSENFELDER (LOUIS2, FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born November 01, 1889 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died October 16, 1969 in Salem Park Nursing Home, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. He married HELEN RUSIN, daughter of JOHN RUSIN and ROSE PULASKY. She was born February 23, 1892 in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA, and died October 16, 1966 in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. Notes for WILLIAM BERNARD ROSENFELDER: Was a Clothing Cutter. He served in WWI. He lived at 748 Beechwood and 1436 Race at various times. Last residence at 4203 Glen-Este - Withamsville Road, Cincinnati, Ohio More About WILLIAM BERNARD ROSENFELDER: Burial: October 20, 1969, Spring Grove Cemetery More About HELEN RUSIN: Burial: October 20, 1966, Spring Grove Cemetery Children of WILLIAM ROSENFELDER and HELEN RUSIN are: i. VICTOR4 ROSENFELDER. ii. JAMES ROSENFELDER, b. 1918. 10. MILDRED VIOLA3 SPIESZ (THERESA2 ROSENFELDER, FRANZ JOSEPH1) was born December 23, 1904 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died May 30, 1994 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. She married BERNARD ANTONIUS MEINERS April 08, 1934 in St. George's Catholic Church, Clifton, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA, son of JOSEF MEINERS and MARIA VOLLMER. He was born June 12, 1907 in Bottrop, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Deutschland, and died May 1972 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for MILDRED VIOLA SPIESZ: Mildred went to the University of Cincinnati for nursing and graduated. In the years I knew her, she loved to play card games, garden, and watch television. She was a very opinionated woman. She was born Protestant, but when her father remarried to a Catholic, she became Catholic with the rest of the family. She remained independent her whole life and the day of her death, she was still gardening in her yard. She died peacefully in her sleep. She and her husband, Bernard Meiners, lived at 609 S. Arlington Road in Park Hills, Kentucky. More About MILDRED VIOLA SPIESZ: Burial: June 03, 1994, St. Joseph's Old Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio Notes for BERNARD ANTONIUS MEINERS: Bernard Meiners was in the tool and die trade in Germany, and at that time, after WWI, the jobs were scarce and they were always given to married men first. So, his aunt, Sister Mary Angela Meiners (who was Mother Superior at the Sisters of Notre Dame Provincial House in Park H ills, Kentucky) sponsored him to come the USA. He emigrated in 1927 at the age of 19 on the ship "Berlin 3" (I have pictures). When he arrived in Cincinnati he went to work, but soon found he was discriminated against because of his thick German accent. He appealed to hi s aunt at the provincial house, and the nuns took him in and taught him to speak English with out an accent. My grandmother recalls she never once heard her father speak with an accent . During WWII he was active in anti-Hitler activities, and gave a speech on the rise of Socialist Nationalism under Hitler. An article on him and his speech appeared in the Cincinnati Enquirer. He went back to his hometown of Moenchengladbach (t! his is where he was actually raised, though born in Bottrop) after WWII and I have inherited pictures showing the devastation. He and his wife, Mildred Viola Spiesz, bought a house not far from the Provincial House where Bernard spent so much of his time, at 609 S. Arlington Road in Park Hills, Kentucky. More About BERNARD ANTONIUS MEINERS: Burial: St. Joseph's Cemetery in Cincinnati Emigration: February 05, 1927, Bremen, Germany Immigration: 1927, New York City, New York, USA Children of MILDRED SPIESZ and BERNARD MEINERS are: i. LIVING4 MEINERS. ii. LIVING MEINERS. 11. iii. LIVING MEINERS. iv. LIVING MEINERS. Generation No. 4 11. LIVING4 MEINERS (MILDRED VIOLA3 SPIESZ, THERESA2 ROSENFELDER, FRANZ JOSEPH1) She married DONALD JAMES CALVERT January 18, 1958 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, son of LEONARD CALVERT and LORETTA ARNOLD. He was born January 19, 1938 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died April 30, 2002 in Hollywood, Broward County, Florida. Notes for DONALD JAMES CALVERT: I have a copy of the marriage certificate for Donald James Calvert and LIVING Meiners. Children of LIVING MEINERS and DONALD CALVERT are: i. LIVING5 CALVERT. ii. LIVING CALVERT. iii. LIVING CALVERT. iv. LIVING CALVERT.

Donald Cavlert (at the very end of the list) was my grandfather. Descendants of Johann ended up on both sides of the river. If anyone has any questions or thinks they may be related, please do contact me! Thanks. LeeAnn McNabb Cincinnati, Ohio Descendants of Johann Borges Generation No. 1 1. JOHANN1 BORGES was born Abt. 1804 in Hanover. He married (1) ELIZABETH BOSTERMANN. She died Abt. 1849. He married (2) MARY MEIROSSE September 18, 1849 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. She was born Abt. 1827 in Dauwma, Germany, and died April 1902 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for JOHANN BORGES: Addresses: 156 E. 12th and 160 E. 12th 1860 census - Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky John Borgers, age 56, Laborer, Hanover Mary, age 32, Oldenburg John, age 15, Kentucky Frances, age 13, Kentucky Louisa, 9, Kentucky Richard, 7, Kentucky Herman, 9/12, Kentucky 1880 Census - Covington, Kenton, Kentucky - 1st Ward John Burgis, 73, Hanover, Laborer, Hanover, Hanover Mary Burgis, 52, Oldenburg, Oldenburg, Oldenburg Richard Burgis, 28, Kentucky, Brick Moulder Harmon Burgis, 21, Kentucky, Works in Rolling Mill Barney Burgis, 20, Kentucky, Laborer William Burgis, 17, Kentucky, Works in Brickyard More About JOHANN BORGES: Burial: September 01, 1901, Mother of God Church, Covington, Kentucky Religion: St. Joseph's Church; Religion: Catholic Notes for MARY MEIROSSE: KENTUCKY POST, 16 APR 1902, page 1: "BURY SON AND MOTHER TOGETHER - Devoted to his aged mother , Mary Borges, 74, of 156 East Twelfth Street, Covington, who died Tuesday, Herman Borges, 45, broke down immediately and a t 8 o'clock Wednesday passed away. He had nursed his mother attentively for weeks, and the strain became apparent a week ago, but he bravely held out. The shock and reaction were too much, and he sank rapidly immediately after her death. They will be buried together." "My Last Will and Testament In the name of God, Amen. I, Mary Borges, a widow, being at present of sound mind and disposing memory and realizing the uncertainty of this life, do therefore declare and publish this as and for my last Will and Testament, in the manner and form as follows to wit: Item 1st I direct that all my just and lawful debts be paid out of my Estate by my Executrix, herein after named, as soon as practicable after my death, including the sum of Fifty Dollars for Holy Masses for the repose of my Love and that of my deceased husband John Borges, to be read b y the Rector of St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Church of Covington, Ky. I further direct that a lot be purchased on the Mother of God Cemetery and upon the same two ordinary tombstone s be erected over the graves of myself and that of my deceased husband John Borges. I further direct that Fifty Dollars be paid to the St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Mens Society of St. Josephs Church on account my said deceased husband having been a member thereof. I further direct that Fifty Dollars be paid to the St. Elizabeth Hospital of Covington, Ky., for the benef it of said institution. I also direct that the sum of one hundred dollars each be paid to Mary Schomaker, John Borges and Francis Meyer. Item 2nd All the rest and residue of my Estate being real personal and mixed, I direct that be equall y divided amongst my children named Dick Borges, Ben Borges, William Borges, Herman Borges an d Louisa Sprengelmeyer share and share alike between them, as it will be necessary to pay the bequests as herein set forth, to Mary Schomaker, John Borges and Francis Meyer, and to my s aid mentioned children, the Real Estate of which I may die possessed of being a lot 50 feet front and upon which is situated a brick and part frame dwelling house in which I now reside known as No. 156 East 12th Street, in the City of Covington, Ky, shall be sold by my Executrix herein after named either at public or private sale as she may deem best, and her deed shall pass a good and sufficient Title to the same to the purchaser or purchasers thereof, but said sale shall not take place until one year after my death, and said bequests not to be paid until the expiration of said out year. Item 3rd I hereby nominate and appoint my daughter Louisa Sprengelmeyer (a widow) Sole Executrix of this my Last Will and Testament and I request the County Court to let her qualify as such on he r own Bond without additional security. " 1900 she and Herman are living in Covington, found under the spelling Burgis. It shows born NOV 1827 in Oldenburg. More About MARY MEIROSSE: Burial: April 15, 1902, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Immigration: 1849 Marriage Notes for JOHANN BORGES and MARY MEIROSSE: Marriage Book 1, page 130. Children of JOHANN BORGES and ELIZABETH BOSTERMANN are: 2. i. JOHN A.2 BORGES, b. August 15, 1845, Kentucky; d. July 14, 1925, Covington, Kentucky, USA. 3. ii. FRANCES BORGES, b. March 1846, Kentucky; d. February 25, 1919, Kenton County, Kentucky. Children of JOHANN BORGES and MARY MEIROSSE are: 4. iii. LUDOVICA FRANCISCA "LOUISA"2 BORGES, b. January 30, 1850, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. December 05, 1942, Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky. 5. iv. JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH BORGES, b. June 1852, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. February 25, 1908, Covington, Kentucky, USA. v. HERMAN BORGES, b. Abt. 1859, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for HERMAN BORGES: According to census he was a "Rolling Mill Hand" and "Iron Worker". Living with his mother i n the 1900 census at 156 E. 12th Street. Appears to have died single. Kentucky Post, Page 1, 16 APR 1902: "Bury Son and Mother Together": Devoted to his aged mother Mary Borges, 74, of 156 E. 12th Street, Covington, who died Tuesday, Herman Borges, 45, broke down immediately, and at 8 o'clock Wednesday passed away. He had nursed his mother attentively for weeks, and the strain became apparent a week ago, but he bravely held out. The shock and reaction were too much, and he sank rapidly immediately after her death. They will be buried together. There is a birth certificate in Kenton County for a Henry Borgus, whose father is a J. Borgus and mother an UNKNOWN Morrold. Birthdate is 13 OCT 1857. Could this be Herman? More About HERMAN BORGES: Burial: April 16, 1902, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky 6. vi. BENJAMIN BORGES, b. 1859, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. January 14, 1923, Covington, Kentucky, USA. 7. vii. WILLIAM BORGES, b. August 1863, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. December 09, 1937, Kenton County, Kentucky. Generation No. 2 2. JOHN A.2 BORGES (JOHANN1) was born August 15, 1845 in Kentucky, and died July 14, 1925 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. He married (1) ELIZABETH. He married (2) ELISABETH OSNER December 28, 1884 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, daughter of GEORGE OSNER and SUSAN RICKERT. She was born July 27, 1856 in Delhi, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died June 02, 1935 in Kenton County, Kentucky. Notes for JOHN A. BORGES: In his will, date August 1922 he leaves everything to his wife Elizabeth. In the 1900 census his occupation is listed as "Rolling Molder". He's lived on E. 59th Street, as well as: 1902 - 1358 Garrard 1910 - 358 Garrard 1920 - 1340 Garrard On the 1900 census he lists boths of his parents as from Hanover, this is consistent with the se parents. One does notice his birth would be BEFORE his parents were married. Was he fro m a previous marriage possibly? Is this Elizabeth also his second wife? It appears his first child was born January 1869 an d the marriage between he and Elizabeth didn't happen until 1884. Research this more thoroughly Kentucky Post, page 1, 15 JUL 1925 - Obituary: AGED MAN DEAD - Funeral for John A. Borges to Be Held Friday John A. Borges, 80, of 1340 Garrard Street, Covington, who was found dead in bed Tuesday nigh t, will be buried from the residence Friday morning. Requiem high mass is to be celebrated a t St. Joseph's Church, Covington, at 9 o'clock. Interment will be in Mother of God cemetery. The aged man was found lifeless in his bed Tuesday, after he had gone to his room to rest. Shortly after noon, feeling fatigued, Borges told members of his family he was going to his room to rest. When called for supper he did not answer and members of the family going to hi s room to investigate found him dead. David W. Stephens, Kenton County Coroner, who as summoned, returned a verdict of death by natural causes. Borges is survived by his widow, Mrs. Elizabeth Osner Borges, and four daughters and one son . Could it be that his parents are in fact John Borges and Elisabeth UNKNOWN? In his plot at Mother of God cemetery, we see that Grave No. 1 has "Mrs. Elizabeth Borges and children" interred MARCH 1922 from "Old Cemetery". Found a marriage in Hamilton County, Ohio of a Johann Borgess to an Elisabet Willenburg on 10 JUN 1867. In the 1880 census, Elisabeth was born around 1852 in Ohio. So, this could be our couple! Do more research on this point. More About JOHN A. BORGES: Burial: July 17, 1925, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Occupation: "Brick molder" Will: August 1922, Kenton County Courthouse, Covington, Kentucky Notes for ELISABETH OSNER: Census states her parents were born in Hanover. 1880 Census, 6th Ward, Covington, Kenton, Kentucky: Elisabeth, 24, OH-Bavaria-Prussia, in th e hh of Phillip RICKERT Residence: by 1920, lived in Covington, KY 1930 Census, Covingtom Kenton, KY, Dist 27: Elizabeth, 73, OH-Germany-PA, Emma, 41, saleslady , Edward, 38, shoe cutter, Stella, 36, saleslady, Charles Tunney, son-in-law, 36, cab driver , OH-Irish Free State-OH, Frances (Borges) Tunney, 31 More About ELISABETH OSNER: Burial: June 05, 1935, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Christening: August 10, 1856, Delhi, Hamilton County, Ohio Children of JOHN BORGES and ELIZABETH are: i. JOHN JOSEPH3 BORGES, b. January 30, 1869, Kentucky; d. May 11, 1926, Covington, Kentucky, USA; m. MARY A. DEDDEN, December 12, 1921, St. John's Catholic Church, Covington; b. Abt. 1876. Notes for JOHN JOSEPH BORGES: "bartender" 1910 - 1100 Madison I have a copy of her marriage certificate. More About JOHN JOSEPH BORGES: Burial: May 13, 1926, Mother of God Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky Occupation: December 15, 1921, Covington, Kentucky; Occupation: Painter More About MARY A. DEDDEN: Burial: May 12, 1933, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky ii. MARY BORGES, b. July 1872. Notes for MARY BORGES: In the 1920 census she is single. More About MARY BORGES: Burial: August 27, 1927, Mother of God Church, Covington, Kentucky iii. PHILIPP BORGES, b. Abt. 1876, Kentucky; d. Bef. 1926. iv. CAROLINA BORGES, b. Abt. 1878, Kentucky; d. Bef. 1926. v. ELISABETH BORGES, b. Abt. 1880, Kentucky. Notes for ELISABETH BORGES: Her gravestone has b. 1898 on it? More About ELISABETH BORGES: Burial: March 02, 1922, Mother of God Church, Covington, Kentucky Children of JOHN BORGES and ELISABETH OSNER are: vi. EMMA3 BORGES, b. January 1889, Kentucky; d. November 27, 1994, Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for EMMA BORGES: "Clerk", died single. She was featured in a Cincinnati Enquirer article for her 100th birthday! 21 JAN 1989 - TURNING 100 IS OCCASION TO THANK BLESSED MOTHER Emma Borges looked at a huge basket of 100 red and white and pink carnations, breathed the heady scent, touched the skin soft petals and tucked her face behind clasped hands in delight. Miss Borges turned 100 on Friday, and the flowers were a gift of love. She savored them for a moment and made a decision. "I want the flowers to go to the Blessed Mother," she said. Her friends and family, packed into a recreation room at Mother Margaret Hall in Delhi Township, Ohio, weren't surprised. For 100 years Emma Borges has been giving her best to God. I t was only natural that she'd want to share her bounty with the mother of Jesus. Miss Borges plants to use her flowers to decorate a statue of the Blessed Mother in the hall' s chapel. "Her whole life has been religion, prayer and the Catholic church, " said Miss Borges' cousin , Vera May Pundsack of Ft. Wright, who arranged the gathering. "She had a pipeline to heaven. " She worked hard and prayed hard and smiled a lot. "I was born in the shadow of her house," said Jack Burkhart of Edgewood. "I'm 66 years old . She's always been the same. A happy person. She has such a personality." Miss Borges grew up at 12th and Greenup streets and later lived at 20th and Pearl in Covington. She moved to Delhi Township about two years ago. Miss Borges arched heavy eyebrows and nodded to the crowd, buzzing and laughing and eating dainty sandwiches. "I never expected anything like this," she said. "All these people from all my life." The memories are sweet. "I made my first communion when I was 13, and that very summer I went to work," she said. "My family didn't have much money." She worked for milliners. "No pay for the first six months. That was the way then," she said. She started with Potter Shoes in Cincinnati when she was 25 and retired at 69. She and two sisters and a brother never married. They stayed in the family home. Some at the birthday celebration talked of the Borges dinners and card parties, filled with good jokes and good food. Those who couldn't make it to Miss Borges' party sent letters. A birthday greeting from President Reagan was upstaged by a letter from a favorite priest and a blessing from the pope. "Oh, that Vera May," Miss Borges said, pinpointing the instigator of the letters. "I've had it good," Miss Borges said. "I love my God. That's the first thing. If I didn't have my Lord, I wouldn't have anything. "" More About EMMA BORGES: Burial: November 29, 1994, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky vii. EDWARD H. BORGES, b. February 1891; d. February 20, 1959, Kenton County, Kentucky. Notes for EDWARD H. BORGES: not married in the 1930 census More About EDWARD H. BORGES: Burial: February 23, 1959, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky viii. STELLA BORGES, b. Abt. 1894, Kentucky; d. October 25, 1978, Kenton County, Kentucky. More About STELLA BORGES: Burial: October 28, 1978, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky ix. FRANCES BORGES, b. February 14, 1899, Covington, Kentucky; d. August 09, 1980, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA; m. CHARLES J. TUNNEY, August 09, 1922, St. Joseph Catholic Church, Covington; b. May 15, 1894, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio; d. February 05, 1969, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA. Notes for FRANCES BORGES: In 1930 was living with widowed mother and husband. Her and her husband didn't have any chidren in that 1930 census. I have a copy of her marriage certificate to Charles J. Tunney. Address at time of death: 15 E. 20th Street in Covington. More About FRANCES BORGES: Burial: August 12, 1980, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky More About CHARLES J. TUNNEY: Burial: February 07, 1969, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Occupation: August 19, 1922, Covington, Kentucky; Occupation: Auto Mechanic 3. FRANCES2 BORGES (JOHANN1) was born March 1846 in Kentucky, and died February 25, 1919 in Kenton County, Kentucky. She married HENRY MEYER July 14, 1870 in Kenton County, Kentucky. He was born Abt. 1850 in Oldenburg, Germany, and died Bef. 1900. Notes for FRANCES BORGES: From a previous marriage of Johann's maybe? She may have married a Henry Meyers on 14 JUL 18 70 in Kenton County. Ages match up, but haven't been able to confirm yet. New note on above information: I believe this now to be correct, after examining the will o f Mary Borges, her step-mother, you note how Mary has her in the will (as well as John, jr) but distinguishes them in a separate list, not as her children. They were her step-children! No doubt John must have been married previously to someone else, who probably died. Look again at old Borges family hand-written charts, John and her may have been the earlier children John Borges and Elisabeth Bolstermann family. In the 1870 census she is a seamstress living with the Tacey family surrounded by the same ne ighbors as her parents in 1860. Her parents are not to be found there though. More About FRANCES BORGES: Burial: February 28, 1919, Mother of God Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky Children of FRANCES BORGES and HENRY MEYER are: i. HENRY3 MEYER, b. Abt. 1870, Kentucky. ii. ANNA MEYER, b. December 1874, Kentucky. More About ANNA MEYER: Occupation: 1900, Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky; Occupation: Seamstress iii. FRANCES MEYER, b. September 1875, Kentucky. More About FRANCES MEYER: Occupation: 1900, Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky; Occupation: Seamstress iv. FREDERICK MEYER, b. August 1877, Kentucky. More About FREDERICK MEYER: Occupation: 1900, Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky; Occupation: Shoe Cutter 4. LUDOVICA FRANCISCA "LOUISA"2 BORGES (JOHANN1) was born January 30, 1850 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died December 05, 1942 in Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky. She married (1) ADOLPH KROLL. He died Bef. December 1942. She married (2) JOHN SPRENGELMEYER August 02, 1870 in Saint Anthony, Covington, Kentucky, USA. He was born Abt. 1842 in Hanover, Germany, and died Bef. 1900. Notes for LUDOVICA FRANCISCA "LOUISA" BORGES: Census states she and John had one child, but by 1900 the child was dead and Louisa was widow ed living with her mother and brother (Herman) at 156 E. 12th. In the 1900 census, her surname is spelled Sprengelmeier. According to that census, she ha d one child who did not survive. More About LUDOVICA FRANCISCA "LOUISA" BORGES: Burial: December 07, 1942, Mother of God Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky Christening: July 04, 1850, Mother of God Church, Covington Notes for JOHN SPRENGELMEYER: Not one Sprengelmeyer in the 1920 census in Kenton County More About JOHN SPRENGELMEYER: Occupation: 1870, Covington, Kentucky, USA; Occupation: School Teacher Child of LUDOVICA BORGES and JOHN SPRENGELMEYER is: i. MARIA3 SCHRENGELMEYER OR SPRINGELMEYER, d. May 1906. 5. JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH2 BORGES (JOHANN1) was born June 1852 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died February 25, 1908 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. He married MARY THERESA HEVING October 22, 1880 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, daughter of BERNARD HEVING and GESINA BRINK. She was born September 02, 1859 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died September 14, 1933 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH BORGES: Addresses for this gentleman include: 903 Montague, 3 John Street, 1002 Prospect, and 928 Leo nard. He worked at the Heving brickyard for a few years (which is probably where he met his wife, Mary Theresa Heving). 1880 - 156 E. 12th 1900 - 130 Rush or Bush 1910 - 7 Short John Street 1930 - 739 Dalton I have a picture of his (and Mary Hevings) gravestone at the Mother of God Cemetery in Kenton County, Kentucky 1900 Census - Kenton County Kentucky Richard Mary Josephine John Julia Benjamin Frank May Helen Lizzie According to a Death Notice, they had a son named Charles that died at a young age and was buried at Mother of God cemetery. Unfortunately, I did not keep the date on the article! Will look into that again. I have a copy of his death certificate. More About JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH BORGES: Burial: February 28, 1908, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Christening: June 27, 1852, Mother of God Church, Covington, Kentucky Notes for MARY THERESA HEVING: I have a copy of her death certificate. More About MARY THERESA HEVING: Burial: September 18, 1933, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Children of JOHANN BORGES and MARY HEVING are: 8. i. JOSEPHINE3 BORGES, b. November 1881, Kentucky. ii. JOHN BERNARD BORGES, b. November 25, 1883, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. March 03, 1962, Covington, Kentucky, USA. More About JOHN BERNARD BORGES: Burial: March 07, 1962, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Christening: November 28, 1883, St. Augustine, Covington, Kentucky, USA 9. iii. JULIA ELIZABETH BORGES, b. May 10, 1886, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. July 21, 1920, Covington, Kentucky, USA. iv. BENJAMIN BORGES, b. November 11, 1888, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. July 08, 1980. Notes for BENJAMIN BORGES: Addresses: 739 Dalton living with mom and John (in 1930) More About BENJAMIN BORGES: Burial: July 12, 1980, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky v. FRANK RICHARD BORGES, b. April 18, 1891, Covington, Kentucky, USA; m. LILLIAN KATZENSTEIN; b. Abt. 1884, Cincinnati, Ohio; d. November 01, 1956. Notes for FRANK RICHARD BORGES: Frank fought in WWI. Was a "custodian" and a "filler at a veneer plant". Their home in 193 0 was 3630 Michigan. More About FRANK RICHARD BORGES: Burial: April 27, 1970, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Christening: April 19, 1891, St. Augustine, Covington, Kentucky, USA More About LILLIAN KATZENSTEIN: Burial: November 05, 1956, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky 10. vi. MAY BORGES, b. October 03, 1893, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. February 04, 1984, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA. 11. vii. HELEN MARIA BORGES, b. February 09, 1896, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. September 1984, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA. viii. LIZZIE FILOMENA BORGES, b. August 07, 1898, Covington, Kentucky; d. June 25, 1922, Kenton County, Kentucky. More About LIZZIE FILOMENA BORGES: Burial: June 28, 1922, Mother of God Cemetery 6. BENJAMIN2 BORGES (JOHANN1) was born 1859 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died January 14, 1923 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. He married (1) ANNA BRINK October 24, 1882 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, daughter of WILLIAM BRINK and ANNA. She was born 1858 in Ohio, and died 1894. He married (2) MARIA DEAN January 16, 1895 in Kenton County, Kentucky. She was born Abt. 1855, and died Bef. 1910. Notes for BENJAMIN BORGES: Starting in 1900 all of his children are living with their aunt and uncle (William Borges and Maria Brink). What happened to Annie is unknown at this time. Kentucky Post, Page 3, 15 JAN 1923: "Obituary": Borges - Bernard, relict of Anna Borges (nee Brink), Sunday, January 14, 1923, aged 64 years . Funeral Wednesday morning, Jan 17, from the residence of his daughter, Mrs. Jos. F. Schult e, 1816 Holman Street, Covington, Kentucky, at 7:30, with requiem mass at St. Augustine Church at 8 o'clock. Friends invited. Burial in Mother of God Cemetery. His children were living with his brother and sister-in-law (William Borges and Mary Brink) in the 1900 census. He died at St. Elizabeth Hospital of Cardiac Dilation. He was admitted t o the hospital just the day before his death on 13 JAN 1923. His residence at the time was 1 816 Holman. The cause/ailment listed in the hospital records for his cardiac dilation was La Grippe/Asthma. More About BENJAMIN BORGES: Burial: January 17, 1923, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton Vale, Kentucky Notes for ANNA BRINK: 1880 Census - Covington William Brink, 58, born Germany, works in Brickyard Ann, 50, born Germany Henry, 22, born KY Anna, 20, born OH Mary, 17, born OH Willie, 11, born Ohio More About ANNA BRINK: Occupation: 1880, Covington, Kentucky; Occupation: Seamstress Children of BENJAMIN BORGES and ANNA BRINK are: 12. i. MARY W3 BORGES, b. August 1883, Kentucky; d. September 02, 1974, Kenton County, Kentucky. 13. ii. ANNIE J BORGES, b. December 1884, Kentucky; d. January 21, 1968, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA. 14. iii. LOUISA BORGES, b. September 1890, Kentucky. iv. FRANCES BORGES, b. September 1892, Kentucky. Notes for FRANCES BORGES: Listed as "lithographer" in 1900 census. 7. WILLIAM2 BORGES (JOHANN1) was born August 1863 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died December 09, 1937 in Kenton County, Kentucky. He married MARIA BRINK November 20, 1889 in Mother of God Church, Covington, daughter of WILLIAM BRINK and ANNA. She was born February 1863 in Ohio. Notes for WILLIAM BORGES: "Teamster", "Laborer". Lived at 1430 Banklick. At the time of his death he lived 333 Bush Street in Covington, Kentucky. The informant for the death certificate was Rev. Father Freiberg from St. Mary's Cathedral. He died from an automobile accident. More About WILLIAM BORGES: Burial: December 11, 1937, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Occupation: 1900, Covington, Kentucky; Occupation: Day Laborer Notes for MARIA BRINK: Will for Mary Anna Borges, filed MAY 1914: Joseph Schulte (executor). Recipients: William Borges, jr. (her son), Mamie Schulte (niece) , Anna Borgess (niece), Louise Borges (niece), and Frances Borges (niece). Also names the B rink Family and her aunt and uncle - the Humpert family. Look into this! Her aunt must have been a Brink or of her mother's side. Maybe be able to find out more about the family if I research them. I have a copy of this will. In 1880 - Covington, Kentucky - Mary is a Servant for the JD and Mary Ellis family Her gravestone is the back of one of the William Brink gravestones at Mother of God Cemetery. More About MARIA BRINK: Burial: July 07, 1914, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Occupation: 1880, Covington, Kentucky; Occupation: Seamstress Will: May 08, 1914, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA Child of WILLIAM BORGES and MARIA BRINK is: i. WILLIAM3 BORGES, b. September 1890, Kentucky; d. December 08, 1958, Kenton County, Kentucky; m. HELEN G.; b. October 27, 1897; d. February 13, 1983, Kenton County, Kentucky. Notes for WILLIAM BORGES: WWI Veteran. More About WILLIAM BORGES: Burial: St. Mary's Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky Occupation: "Repairman of Railroad" Notes for HELEN G.: Lived at 440 Graves, Erlanger when she died. Attended St. Henry Church. More About HELEN G.: Burial: February 15, 1983, St. Mary's Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky Generation No. 3 8. JOSEPHINE3 BORGES (JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH2, JOHANN1) was born November 1881 in Kentucky. Child of JOSEPHINE BORGES is: i. UNKNOWN BORGES4, b. May 24, 1902, Covington, Kentucky. Notes for BORGES: On the birth certificate father is listed as Benjamin Shicker or Shicken or Thicker or Thicke n. It says the parents are not married. The UNKNOWN Borges was born at his mother's residence, at 71 River Road in West Covington, Kentucky. I can not yet say FOR SURE this is Josephine, it lists mother as Josie. Will research further. Wish I knew the name of the male child, it would make it easier to research! 9. JULIA ELIZABETH3 BORGES (JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH2, JOHANN1) was born May 10, 1886 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died July 21, 1920 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. She married HENRY J ARNOLD, son of EDWARD ARNOLD. He was born March 16, 1879 in Lexington, Kentucky, USA, and died November 14, 1931 in Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for JULIA ELIZABETH BORGES: I have a copy of her death certificate. More About JULIA ELIZABETH BORGES: Burial: July 21, 1920, Mother of God Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky Christening: May 12, 1886, St. Augustine, Covington, Kentucky Notes for HENRY J ARNOLD: Census information indicates his birth to be more around 1873 than the date given by his daughter as his birth date on the death certificate. Marriage - haven't been able to find one in Covington or Cincinnati. I believe Julia may have run away (as Loretta was actually born Loretta Borgas, in other words Henry Arnold and Julia Borges weren't married at the time) - I do find a marriage record but a few months after Loretta's birth for a Julia Fogel and Henry Arnold (who is also a firefighter, like mine, and whose father is Edward, like mine). So, it's a possibility. Still attempting to find the marriage record just in case! OBIT - no date given "SET ARNOLD RITES West Covingtonian, 52, Succumbs at Home on John St Funeral services for Henry Arnold, 52, who died Saturday at his home, 900 John Street, West Covington, will be held Tuesday at 8:30pm at the Middendorf Funeral Home, 917 Main Street, Covington. Requiem high mass will be held at 9 am at St. Patrick Church, Covington. Burial wil l be in Mother of God Cemetery. Arnold leaves three sons, Elmer, Bernard and Edward Arnold and two daughters, Loretta and Carrie Arnold, all of the John St. address." More About HENRY J ARNOLD: Burial: November 17, 1931, Mother of God Cemetery, Covington, Kentucky Occupation: Firefighter Children of JULIA BORGES and HENRY ARNOLD are: 15. i. LORETTA4 ARNOLD, b. August 26, 1907, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA; d. November 20, 1974, Terre Haute, Indiana, USA. ii. ELMER J ARNOLD, b. July 27, 1911, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. March 16, 1998, Covington, Kentucky, USA. More About ELMER J ARNOLD: Burial: March 20, 1998, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky iii. CARRIE ARNOLD, b. September 06, 1911, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. November 29, 1980, Ohio; m. JACOB FREEZE. More About CARRIE ARNOLD: Burial: December 02, 1980, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky iv. BERNARD B ARNOLD, b. March 12, 1914, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. January 30, 1992, Covington, Kentucky, USA. More About BERNARD B ARNOLD: Burial: January 31, 1992, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky v. EDWARD W ARNOLD, b. December 17, 1917, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. March 14, 1996, Ludlow, Kenton County, Kentucky; m. GENEVA. Notes for EDWARD W ARNOLD: Edward removed himself from this family - I do not have more information as to the reason why . 10. MAY3 BORGES (JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH2, JOHANN1) was born October 03, 1893 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died February 04, 1984 in Kenton County, Kentucky, USA. She married NICHOLAS JOSEPH CASTELLINI February 03, 1915 in St. Patrick's Catholic Church, Covington, son of LUIGI CASTELLINI and JULIA MACHELLNA. He was born May 17, 1889 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, and died August 31, 1960. Notes for MAY BORGES: No children in the 1930 census More About MAY BORGES: Burial: February 08, 1984, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY Christening: October 08, 1893, St. Joseph's, Covington, Kentucky Notes for NICHOLAS JOSEPH CASTELLINI: 1954 Covington Directory: h. 419 W. 6th Birth certificate says Nicholas L. Castellini, rather than Nicholas J. Castellini. Doctor A . Ravogli Cemetery Stats has Nicholas P. Castellini More About NICHOLAS JOSEPH CASTELLINI: Burial: September 03, 1960, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY Christening: June 21, 1889, St. Xavier, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Occupation: 1930, Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky; Occupation: Tinner Children of MAY BORGES and NICHOLAS CASTELLINI are: i. MARY ALBERTA4 CASTELLINI, b. February 05, 1915, Covington, Kentucky; d. February 05, 1915, Covington, Kentucky. More About MARY ALBERTA CASTELLINI: Burial: February 07, 1915, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY Christening: February 05, 1915, St. Patrick. Covington, Kentucky ii. MARGUERITE HELEN CASTELLINI, b. January 12, 1922, Covington, Kentucky; d. January 16, 1922. Notes for MARGUERITE HELEN CASTELLINI: The Mother of God Cemetery Record index says she was buried on 07 JAN 1922, which can't be, because she wasn't born yet! More About MARGUERITE HELEN CASTELLINI: Burial: Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY Christening: January 15, 1922, St. Patrick. Covington, Kentucky iii. DOROTHY ANNA MARIA CASTELLINI, b. October 02, 1924, Covington, Kentucky. Notes for DOROTHY ANNA MARIA CASTELLINI: She is buried in the same plot as her grandparents - Richard Borges and Maria Theresa Heving Borges More About DOROTHY ANNA MARIA CASTELLINI: Burial: February 20, 1929, Mother of God Cemetery Christening: October 05, 1924, St. Patrick. Covington, Kentucky iv. EDWARD CASTELLINI, b. January 04, 1932, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA; d. January 04, 1998, Glendale, Maricopa, Arizona; m. WANDA; b. November 20, 1930; d. June 24, 1999, Glendale, Arizona. 11. HELEN MARIA3 BORGES (JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH2, JOHANN1) was born February 09, 1896 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, and died September 1984 in Kenton County, Kentucky, USA. She married JOSEPH B. HACKMAN June 24, 1925 in St. Aloysius Catholic Church, Covington, son of HENRY HACKMAN and MARY KELLER. He was born Abt. 1890 in Reading, Ohio, and died June 17, 1956 in Kenton County, Kentucky. Notes for HELEN MARIA BORGES: Lived with her sister May "Borges" Castellini and her husband and the 1930 census. I have a copy of her marriage certificate. More About HELEN MARIA BORGES: Burial: September 12, 1984, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY Christening: February 13, 1896, St. Joseph Catholic Church, Covington Notes for JOSEPH B. HACKMAN: 1927 Covington Directory: 471 Dalton 1945 Covington Directory: 836 Perry 1948 Covington Directory: 120 W. 5th. More About JOSEPH B. HACKMAN: Burial: June 21, 1956, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY Occupation: 1930, Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky; Occupation: Laborer with Sheet Metal Children of HELEN BORGES and JOSEPH HACKMAN are: i. MARY C.4 HACKMAN, b. Abt. 1926, Kentucky. More About MARY C. HACKMAN: Occupation: 1945, Covington, Kentucky, USA; Occupation: Saleswoman at H & S Pogues Company ii. ROBERT HENRY JOSEPH HACKMAN, b. June 16, 1927, Kenton County, Kentucky. Notes for ROBERT HENRY JOSEPH HACKMAN: Not in SSDI More About ROBERT HENRY JOSEPH HACKMAN: Christening: June 26, 1927, St. Aloysius, Covington, Kentucky Occupation: 1945, Covington, Kentucky, USA; Occupation: Engineer at DeLuxe Engraving Company iii. LAVENA M HACKMAN, b. July 09, 1931, Kenton County, Kentucky. iv. PAUL R HACKMAN, b. June 02, 1938, Kenton County, Kentucky; d. December 16, 1998, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. More About PAUL R HACKMAN: Burial: December 21, 1998, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY 12. MARY W3 BORGES (BENJAMIN2, JOHANN1) was born August 1883 in Kentucky, and died September 02, 1974 in Kenton County, Kentucky. She married JOSEPH F. SCHULTE June 13, 1906 in Mother of God Church, Covington, Kentucky, USA, son of FRANK SCHULTE and CATHERINE FUEHNER. He was born December 07, 1883 in Kentucky, and died November 03, 1955 in Kenton County, Kentucky. Notes for MARY W BORGES: Death certificate info: Volume 45, Certificate 22431, in year 1974. I have a copy of their m arriage certificate. 1816 Holman Street was her and her husband's address at the time of her father's death. Per his death certificate. Notes for JOSEPH F. SCHULTE: Death certificate - Volume 47, Certificate #23052 - look up sometime for parents names and bi rth date. I have a copy of his funeral card. address at time of death was 1816 Holman Street in Covington. More About JOSEPH F. SCHULTE: Burial: November 07, 1955, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Occupation: 1920, Covington, Kentucky, USA; Occupation: Car Repairer on Railroad Children of MARY BORGES and JOSEPH SCHULTE are: i. EDWARD A4 SCHULTE, b. Abt. 1911, Kentucky; m. VIRGINIA. ii. DOROTHY SCHULTE, b. Abt. 1912, Kentucky; m. WILLIAM G FUNKE; b. July 26, 1909; d. May 06, 1987, Kenton County, Kentucky. iii. FREDERICK SCHULTE, b. June 10, 1913, Kenton County, Kentucky; d. June 10, 1913, Kenton County, Kentucky. More About FREDERICK SCHULTE: Burial: June 10, 1913, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY iv. RAYMOND F SCHULTE, b. July 01, 1914, Kenton County, Kentucky; d. December 18, 1992, Kenton County, Kentucky; m. (1) ALLENE; b. 1917; d. 1969; m. (2) LOYOLA R MORGAN, November 24, 1978, Campbell County, Kentucky; b. Abt. 1917. Notes for RAYMOND F SCHULTE: He had two gravestones at Mother of God Cemetery - one reflecting war service, and one with his first wife Allene More About RAYMOND F SCHULTE: Burial: December 21, 1992, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY More About ALLENE: Burial: Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky v. ALVIN SCHULTE, b. Abt. 1917, Kentucky; m. IDA M MEYERS, September 14, 1990, Kenton County, Kentucky; b. Abt. 1914. vi. ANNA MAY SCHULTE, b. Abt. 1918, Kentucky; m. RALPH MIDDENDORF, 1946; b. July 07, 1921, Kenton County, Kentucky. vii. NORMA M SCHULTE, b. April 24, 1919, Kenton County, Kentucky; m. BILL GROLLIG. viii. MARY SCHULTE, b. December 14, 1920, Kenton County, Kentucky. ix. ROBERT SCHULTE, b. July 30, 1922, Kenton County, Kentucky; m. ROSEMARY. x. JOSEPH D SCHULTE, b. August 09, 1924, Kenton County, Kentucky; m. BARBARA. xi. WILLIAM R SCHULTE, b. August 27, 1927, Kenton County, Kentucky; d. January 13, 1997, Campbell County, Kentucky; m. JOYCE. 13. ANNIE J3 BORGES (BENJAMIN2, JOHANN1) was born December 1884 in Kentucky, and died January 21, 1968 in Kenton County, Kentucky, USA. She married JOHN H. RAUEN June 17, 1922 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, son of JOHN RAUEN and ELIZABETH. He was born Abt. 1888 in Kentucky. Notes for ANNIE J BORGES: "Filler" in 1900 census, later "vestmaker". I have a copy of her marriage certificate. 1930 census with family at 3161 Rosina (cousin William Borges, age 39 still living with her and he is still single). St. Elizabeth Hospital Records 1861-? : Annie was admitted on 14 MAY 1923 and wasn't discharged until 10 JUN 1923. She must've had many complications during childbirth. It does not say whether the baby survived or not. Page 573. More About ANNIE J BORGES: Burial: January 26, 1968, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY More About JOHN H. RAUEN: Burial: February 19, 1952, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY Occupation: June 17, 1922, Covington, Kentucky; Occupation: Teamster Children of ANNIE BORGES and JOHN RAUEN are: i. MALE4 RAUEN, b. May 14, 1923, St. Elizabeth's Hospital, Kenton County, Kentucky. ii. WILLIAM J. RAUEN, b. December 12, 1924, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA; d. June 28, 1979, Ft. Mitchell, Kenton County, Kentucky, USA. More About WILLIAM J. RAUEN: Burial: June 30, 1979, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY iii. FRED JACK RAUEN, b. Abt. 1927, Kentucky; m. RUTH M; b. Abt. 1915. More About FRED JACK RAUEN: Burial: March 15, 1980, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY More About RUTH M: Burial: June 15, 2000, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, KY 14. LOUISA3 BORGES (BENJAMIN2, JOHANN1) was born September 1890 in Kentucky. She married JOHN SUTTER Abt. 1918. He was born Abt. 1890 in Kentucky, and died December 08, 1975 in Boone County, Kentucky. Notes for LOUISA BORGES: Much like her sister in 1900 census she is listed as a "filler" Children of LOUISA BORGES and JOHN SUTTER are: i. RALPH B4 SUTTER, b. December 13, 1918, Kenton County, Kentucky; d. February 04, 1994, Boone County, Kentucky. ii. JOHN J SUTTER, b. April 19, 1921, Kenton County, Kentucky. iii. THOMAS SUTTER, b. January 14, 1925, Kenton County, Kentucky. Generation No. 4 15. LORETTA4 ARNOLD (JULIA ELIZABETH3 BORGES, JOHANN THEODORE DIETRICH2, JOHANN1) was born August 26, 1907 in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA, and died November 20, 1974 in Terre Haute, Indiana, USA. She married LEONARD CALVERT March 02, 1937 in Covington, Kentucky, USA, son of JOHN CALVERT and MARY SINGER. He was born January 10, 1910 in Chicago, Illinois, USA. Notes for LORETTA ARNOLD: I have a copy of her birth record - she was actually born Loretta Borges, as her parents may not have been married yet. I also have a copy of her death record. More About LORETTA ARNOLD: Burial: November 22, 1974, Mother of God Cemetery, Kenton County, Kentucky Child of LORETTA ARNOLD and LEONARD CALVERT is: i. DONALD JAMES5 CALVERT, b. January 19, 1938, Covington, Kentucky, USA; d. April 30, 2002, Hollywood, Broward County, Florida; m. LIVING MEINERS, January 18, 1958, Covington, Kentucky, USA. Notes for DONALD JAMES CALVERT: I have a copy of the marriage certificate for Donald James Calvert and LIVING Meiners.

Hello Everyone, A subscriber named Rene, who lives in Northern Kentucky has contacted me that she has a copy of << Index of Death and Marriage Notices Appearing in the Cincinnati Daily Gazette 1827-1881 Part One" by Jeffrey G. Herbert >> that she no longer has any use for and would like to find a good home for it. She says it was put out by the Hamilton Co. Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society and according to the table of contents it lists the Cincinnati cemeteries in 1850; the Revolutionary War Soldiers living in Cincinnati; members of the Pioneer Assoc. of Cincinnati in 1858; marriage licenses issued in Cincinnati from Nov. 1795 to May 1796; the alphabetical listings of death notices in the Daily Gazette from 1827-1881; and the alphabetical marriage notices for the same time period. If anyone is interested in this book, DO NOT contact her through this mailing list. You can contact her privately at NaiThom@aol.com Thanks! Marilyn - List Mom

Janet, I'll keep this on file and let you know if I find anything. LeeAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANSGEN@aol.com> > LeeAnn, > Michael HOEHN was born June 13, 1813. Frank was a few years older or > younger. I can't remember. Both named their first son George. Michael also > had a son > named Aloysius which is not very common. They came to Cincinnati in the > early 1840's. Frank stay there for 10 years then moved to Putnam County > Ohio > where he bought a farm. > > Janet

LeeAnn, Michael HOEHN was born June 13, 1813. Frank was a few years older or younger. I can't remember. Both named their first son George. Michael also had a son named Aloysius which is not very common. They came to Cincinnati in the early 1840's. Frank stay there for 10 years then moved to Putnam County Ohio where he bought a farm. Janet

It is kind of silly to hide or remove a SS# from a death record since it is in the SSDI anyway. I just copied four of them today from as recent as 1990. However It does make sense I think when it comes to marriage or Birth records within the past 75 years or so (which is about when SS started. I always find it kind of funny hiding all this anyway. I am in the military and my SSN is literally on every piece of paper that has anything to do with me and is probably seen by dozens of people very day. Any access list has the SSN of hundreds of people and is used by different people every day. Of course my father refused to give his SSN to anyone besides SSA. Even when they wanted it for his voter registration and other things he always insisted they give him a seperate number not his SSN. Rodney > > From: Carol Sanman <carolsanman@cinci.rr.com> > Date: 2005/02/28 Mon PM 08:15:09 EST > To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Laws in Ohio Question > > When I talked with the historian at Kenton Co, He said there's some > rule that they can't be published for 100 years. And it was only 50 > for the death certificates. Which is why the 1954 death records are > available. And birth certificates are not. > On Feb 27, 2005, at 3:02 PM, CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/27/2005 2:43:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > AnnBergelt@aol.com writes: > > > > Hi, > > > > Very interesting information. I think it's a good indication of the > > "right > > hand not knowing what the left is doing" when it comes to decisions > > being > > made about privacy, records, etc. > > > > It always seems to me that the best method of maintaining privacy in > > copying > > family records would have to do with keeping the range within a > > certain > > number of years (say 75 or at least 50) and exceptions being made for > > more > > recent > > ones depending on the purpose and recipient. > > > > If the Social Security number is a problem, they can cross it out > > before > > distribution. > > > > It might be found on the SSDI anyway. > > > > Too many rules in too many places, basically. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Ann > > > > > > Ann, > > > > Here in Allen County, Ohio I have been to the courthouse twice and both > > times the same girl waited on me and both times she said that she had > > had her > > shoulder operated on and she said that it was hard for her to lift the > > books. > > She is probably in her 20's. I am 51, and it is a lot harder on me to > > lift them > > than it would be a younger person. The second time I was there, she > > said that > > the copier wouldn't work right. I got the feeling that she just > > didn't want > > to mess with lifting the books. I live in Allen County, and I could > > help a > > lot of people if I could get copies of old marriage certificates for > > them, but > > if you can't get the copies of them, then you can't do anything. The > > marriage > > certificates that I wanted copied both times were very old and most > > of the > > people were deceased, so there wouldn't be a privacy issue. I have > > been to > > many courthouses in Kentucky and I have never had a problem with > > getting copies. > > It is sad to me that the courthouse in the county that I live in is so > > genealogy-unfriendly. > > I have thought about complaining to her superior but I don't know who > > that > > would be. > > > > Thank you, > > Charlotte Miller > > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html_ > > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html) > > > > > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > > ~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's Parade of States Awaits! > > ~*~*~*~ > > -- Table of all States: http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact > the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

When I talked with the historian at Kenton Co, He said there's some rule that they can't be published for 100 years. And it was only 50 for the death certificates. Which is why the 1954 death records are available. And birth certificates are not. On Feb 27, 2005, at 3:02 PM, CharlotteAnneMlr@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/27/2005 2:43:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AnnBergelt@aol.com writes: > > Hi, > > Very interesting information. I think it's a good indication of the > "right > hand not knowing what the left is doing" when it comes to decisions > being > made about privacy, records, etc. > > It always seems to me that the best method of maintaining privacy in > copying > family records would have to do with keeping the range within a > certain > number of years (say 75 or at least 50) and exceptions being made for > more > recent > ones depending on the purpose and recipient. > > If the Social Security number is a problem, they can cross it out > before > distribution. > > It might be found on the SSDI anyway. > > Too many rules in too many places, basically. > > Best wishes, > > Ann > > > Ann, > > Here in Allen County, Ohio I have been to the courthouse twice and both > times the same girl waited on me and both times she said that she had > had her > shoulder operated on and she said that it was hard for her to lift the > books. > She is probably in her 20's. I am 51, and it is a lot harder on me to > lift them > than it would be a younger person. The second time I was there, she > said that > the copier wouldn't work right. I got the feeling that she just > didn't want > to mess with lifting the books. I live in Allen County, and I could > help a > lot of people if I could get copies of old marriage certificates for > them, but > if you can't get the copies of them, then you can't do anything. The > marriage > certificates that I wanted copied both times were very old and most > of the > people were deceased, so there wouldn't be a privacy issue. I have > been to > many courthouses in Kentucky and I have never had a problem with > getting copies. > It is sad to me that the courthouse in the county that I live in is so > genealogy-unfriendly. > I have thought about complaining to her superior but I don't know who > that > would be. > > Thank you, > Charlotte Miller > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlotteamiller/index.html) > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > ~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's Parade of States Awaits! > ~*~*~*~ > -- Table of all States: http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Freinsheim is currently in Rhein-Pfalz, but at one time was considered Bavaria. So, your ancestor may be from the same area as mine (or may not). Do you have an approximate birth date for Michael and Frank and I can try and keep an eye open in the Freinsheim records if I come to truly understand them :). LeeAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANSGEN@aol.com> > LeeAnn, > On the census it always has Bavaria as a birthplace. Is this the area you > are researching? > > Janet > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, > question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact > the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

LeeAnn, On the census it always has Bavaria as a birthplace. Is this the area you are researching? Janet

To subscribe to this list send an email to: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L-request@rootsweb.com put the word subscribe in the body of the messge. On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:49:14 -0500, J Hansen <jrsh9999@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi LeeAnn, > How do you like the German surname list? I've never tried it. > I recently subscribed to the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com > list. Don't let the name mislead you, it seems to be focused on German > emigration as a whole, and on helping people figure out their families' > locations of origin there. The administrator is friendly and knowledgeable. > He is in Germany and up-to-date on what's available. > Juliann > > -----Original Message----- > From: mcnabbuc [mailto:mcnabbuc@netzero.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:34 PM > To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fw: [Ger-Sur] more brickwalls - Borges, Meirosse, Hemann and Abeln > > After sending some of these (I have more that I will forward) to the > German-Surnames mailing list, I thought it wise to forward them to these two > > lists as well. There may be someone out there lurking who has these same > ancestors! > > LeeAnn McNabb > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.1 - Release Date: 2/27/2005 > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post > your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi LeeAnn, How do you like the German surname list? I've never tried it. I recently subscribed to the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com list. Don't let the name mislead you, it seems to be focused on German emigration as a whole, and on helping people figure out their families' locations of origin there. The administrator is friendly and knowledgeable. He is in Germany and up-to-date on what's available. Juliann -----Original Message----- From: mcnabbuc [mailto:mcnabbuc@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:34 PM To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: [Ger-Sur] more brickwalls - Borges, Meirosse, Hemann and Abeln After sending some of these (I have more that I will forward) to the German-Surnames mailing list, I thought it wise to forward them to these two lists as well. There may be someone out there lurking who has these same ancestors! LeeAnn McNabb -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.1 - Release Date: 2/27/2005

Hello Janet. I do know her parents were Johann Hoehn and Barbara Wolf. They lived in Freinsheim, Bavaria. Johann Hoehn was born 1802 in Frienshiem and his parents were Wendel Hoehn and Sophia Jacobi. At this time I do not have any of her siblings :(. I haven't attempted looking them up on the IGI yet since that isn't my ancestral line (mine is through George Spiesz's second wife Christina Brueckmann, also of Freinsheim). I recently recieved the microfilm for Freinsheim. I've only looked at it once, but I will try again. I found it VERY difficult to read (more difficult than other old german church records I've ordered) so my comprehension was minimal at best. But, after looking at it a few times, I may begin to decipher it better. In the next month, if I find any siblings on that microfilm, I will post them to this mailing list in hopes that you will see them. On the census, did they ever say a part of Germany they were from? For instance, Hesse or Bavaria or Thuringen or Prussia? Thanks for writing Janet. LeeAnn McNabb ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANSGEN@aol.com> > LeeAnn, > I am researching the name Hoehn in Cincinnati. Do you know who Anna Maria > Hoehn's parents were or brothers? I have a Michael Hoehn and Frank Hoehn > who > came to Cincinnati in the early 1840's. I have no idea where they came > from in > Germany. > > Janet

LeeAnn, I am researching the name Hoehn in Cincinnati. Do you know who Anna Maria Hoehn's parents were or brothers? I have a Michael Hoehn and Frank Hoehn who came to Cincinnati in the early 1840's. I have no idea where they came from in Germany. Janet

i sent to the archdiocese a few years ago while searching my father's VOEGTLE side of the family. the archdiocese sent me pages of information from the church records. it was wonderful. i will do this again. thanks. In a message dated 2/27/2005 1:42:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SHASTA4737@aol.com writes: Hi Pat, If you go to the Archives of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, Ohio web site, there are instructions on how to send for information. They do charge $25.00 to research for one hour, so try to be as clear and specific with your questions as you possibly can. There is a sample letter on the site that shows how to set up your questions. The way that I understand it, the Archdiocese is a central archive that has all the old church data from the congregations in the Cincinnati, Ohio area. Am I correct? Last year, I sent for records, but I didn't get much information from the archive. It appeared to me that they did the absolute minimum possible, but they may find more for you. I hope this helps, Sincerely, Susan ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx *************************************************************************** "Housework, if done properly, will kill you." --Erma Bombeck

Ok guys, here's the last one I sent to the list serv. The only one that would apply to your two mailing lists would in fact be the first (the others are in Germany), so I've deleted those. Anyway, I will also be sending over the next few days, more family group sheets of descendancy of my various Cincinnati and Covington ancestors. Any questions on those, please do email me. LeeAnn McNabb ----- Original Message ----- From: "mcnabbuc" <mcnabbuc@netzero.net> > My first brickwall I do not have much information (despite the fact I've > tried very hard to find info on him) - Franz Josef "Louis" Rosenfelder, > born about 1825 somewhere in Baden. He arrived in New Orleans in January > of 1854 on the ship Virginia. I've already checked the Baden Emigration > index and no luck. I've tried the IGI and various other lists at my > library for Baden (including wanted men from Baden). He arrived on the > same ship as his wife (though they weren't married at the time) - Maria > Anne Lohne and her sister Rosalie (who are included in the Baden > Emigration Index). After they arrived in New Orleans, Franz and Maria > made their way to Cincinnati, Ohio and it was in Cincinnati that they > married. He was a saloon owner for the rest of his life.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mcnabbuc" <mcnabbuc@netzero.net> > 1. George Carl Spiesz. The little information I have on him and his > family were from a journal he left. He was born 13 NOV 1820 in > Hohen-Sulzen (now a part of Rhein-Pfalz, but at the time a part of Hesse > Darmstadt). He emigrated from Le Havre, France on 10 MAY 1846 and arrived > in New York on 11 JUN 1846. He then made his way to CIncinnati, Ohio > where he apprenticed for a short time as a tailor. He married Anna Maria > Hoehn (of Freinsheim, Rhein-Pfalz) on 11 APR 1847 in Cincinnati, Ohio. He > opened his own tailoring business that was at 51 Harrison Avenue in > Westwood, Cincinnati, Ohio. He made his declaration of intent for > citizenship in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio on 12 APR 1852. They had > four children. Anna Maria passed away on 19 OCT 1853 in Cincinnati, Ohio. > George remarried to a Christina Brueckmann (also of Freinsheim) on 6 AUG > 1854 in Cincinnati, Ohio. They had 5 children. George passed away on 17 > SEP 1895 in Cincinnati, Ohio. > > The mystery comes in his siblings and his parents. In his journal, he > never speaks of his father (nor gives his name) so I've gone on the > assumption that his father had already passed away by the time he left for > the United States. His mother is mentioned, but he never gave her name! > I do know from the journal that she died on 29 or 30 APR 1860 in or near > Pfifflichheim (near Worms?). The handwriting was hard to read, but I know > it's a town very near Woerms. I also know he had three siblings (but > could've had more he may not have mentioned). He mentioned a Barbara, who > went with him on the ship to the US, but died on the High Seas 28 MAY > 1846. He also had a brother named Philip who died 29 JUN 1855 in > Hohen-Sulzen. He also had a sister named Anna Maria who lived near Woerms > and was married. No married name was given for her. But it is said their > mother died while visiting her. I believe I may have found her spouse > though (this is just conjecture) - Johann Brueckma! > nn. I found it odd that both of George's wives were from Freinsheim. > Freinsheim is near Woerms. When I began looking through the church > records for Freinsheim (for Brueckmanns) I began seeing baptisms for > children of an Anna Maria Spiess who had a husband named Johann > Brueckmann. Johann is no doubt related to George's second wife Christina > Breuckmann. I'm treating this as a possibility, nothing more. Anna > Maria's death date was not written in his journal (unlike his other > siblings). She may have outlived him. > > I have been having a very hard time reading the church records of > Freinsheim, much harder than I have had reading others. Anyone recognize > these Spiesz's or Brueckmann's, or has a good knowledge of Hohen-Sulzen or > Freinsheim - I would love to hear from you! > > > LeeAnn McNabb > Cincinnati, Ohio > > PS. This family was Evangelische-Reformierte > > > ==== GERMAN-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in > Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old > Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To > subscribe click on > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >