Lori, Sometimes on the census, complete formal names are used. Perhaps her formal name was Eleanor and not Ellen. Just something else to tweak your search. Ann

Lori, If you have a marriage certificate from the church, you probably have more info than you would get from the courts. It's true a good number of records were lost in courthouse fires. But there is also the problem of information required on marriage records at that time.....very little. Back then you didn't get ages or birthdates but that he was at least 21 and she was at least 18. Parents of either was not asked for nor any witnesses. You got the names of the couple, the date of the marriage and who performed the service. You're lucky to have what you do, but unfortunately it seems that's the best you are going to do. I'm actually in the same spot you are. My great grandparents were married May 10, 1870. I was able to get that from an index of restored marriage records. Their's was one lost in one of the fires. My next step will be to contact the Archdioceses to research their archives for the church record. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but hopefully you have a better understanding. If still needed, I can offer the shoulder to cry on, and a box of tissues. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori" <lori-n@juno.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: [OH-HAMILT] Hamilton County Court > > Hi folks, > > I could use some help from some of you that have experience with records > at the Hamilton County Court. > > I wrote to them on the 15th of February, and already heard back from them > today. However, the results were not what I'd hoped for. > > I have a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, William MARTIN and > Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. They were married at St. Xavier's on 3 NOV 1880. > The only information provided on the marriage certificate was the names of > the couple and names of the witnesses. > > As most of you know, I've been at a dead end with this for close to a > year, so decided to write to Hamilton County to see if I could get a copy > of the marriage license/application, etc. > > The court request came back: "I have searched the years 1863-1884 and > found no record for the request you have given us." > > I don't understand how that can be. I gave them the exact date of the > marriage. I know when Ann B. helped me with this, she told me that it was > from restored records. Is it the court records I'm looking for that were > destroyed? > > I'm bummed out in a major way. I need desperately to verify Nellie's > parents names, as I'm having doubts about the information on her death > certificate. I don't know where else to turn to try and get that > information, as I have absolutely nothing on her prior to her census > information a few months prior to the marriage. > > Nellie worked for the Chas Taft family, and I wrote to them some time ago > to see if they had anything, and they were unable to help. > > Any thoughts, suggestions, shoulders to cry on? > > Thanks, > > Lori > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, > question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact > the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Well, we're more a page for Hamilton County, Ohio, but the advice would probably be the same: The 1880 census is free online, with an every-name index, at Familysearch.org. When you get to Familysearch, click on "Search", then on "Census", then choose the 1880 census. The rest will be easy. You enter the name you're looking for, and the place (county and state) Even if the person wasn't the "head of the household" (i.e., if they were in an orphanage,) their names should still appear in the index. Hope this helps you --- good luck! Linda in Utah -------------- Original message -------------- > Hello List, > > I am searching for info on what was listed in the Ancestry 1880 Census for > Cuyahoga County as the German Methodist Orphan Asylum. > > It seems that some of my cousins family were living the at the time of the > census > and I would like to find out how to find any info that may be available for > this. > > Thanks in advance for your time and I greatly appreciate any and all help. > > > > Peggy > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Have you been to the *NEW* HAMILTON COUNTY OHIO Message Board? To get > there, go to http://boards.rootsweb.com click on the U.S. States link. > On the next page, click on the Counties link by the file folder icon. > Then click on the link for Hamilton county. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi Barbara, I wrote and heard back from Hamilton County Probate Court at 230 E. 9th St, 10th Floor. I think it's the same one that you're talking about? I had rented the microfilms from LDS for marriages in the Cincinnati newspaper to no avail. I could try the library in case they have other materials they can refer to. Thanks for the help! Lori -- Barbara Noble <barbaranoble@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi Lori, Is this Hamilton County Court the same as the Hamilton County Probate Court? If not, you might try calling the Probate Court at 513-946-3551. They have Marriage Index/Records from 1817 thru the Present. For certified copies, it is $2.00 and uncertified, it is 50 cents. Another suggestion would be to write or call the Hamilton County Library for a newspaper announcement on their marriage. I have gotten more information on my family from newspaper articles than from any other source. Best wishes in your search and don't give up. Lori <lori-n@juno.com> wrote: Hi folks, I could use some help from some of you that have experience with records at the Hamilton County Court. I wrote to them on the 15th of February, and already heard back from them today. However, the results were not what I'd hoped for. I have a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, William MARTIN and Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. They were married at St. Xavier's on 3 NOV 1880. The only information provided on the marriage certificate was the names of the couple and names of the witnesses. As most of you know, I've been at a dead end with this for close to a year, so decided to write to Hamilton County to see if I could get a copy of the marriage license/application, etc. The court request came back: "I have searched the years 1863-1884 and found no record for the request you have given us." I don't understand how that can be. I gave them the exact date of the marriage. I know when Ann B. helped me with this, she told me that it was from restored records. Is it the court records I'm looking for that were destroyed? I'm bummed out in a major way. I need desperately to verify Nellie's parents names, as I'm having doubts about the information on her death certificate. I don't know where else to turn to try and get that information, as I have absolutely nothing on her prior to her census information a few months prior to the marriage. Nellie worked for the Chas Taft family, and I wrote to them some time ago to see if they had anything, and they were unable to help. Any thoughts, suggestions, shoulders to cry on? Thanks, Lori ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- Barb in Indiana ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== Have you been to the *NEW* HAMILTON COUNTY OHIO Message Board? To get there, go to http://boards.rootsweb.com click on the U.S. States link. On the next page, click on the Counties link by the file folder icon. Then click on the link for Hamilton county. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Renee, His parents name were William and Mary MARTIN. I do not know if they immigrated to the US though. Thanks, Lori -- "The Werth Family" <brtwerth@cox.net> wrote: Hi, Do you know your William Martin's parent's names? Renee Werth Hi Folks, I'm wondering if anyone has access to Cincinnati directories for 1880 and working backwards from there. Looking for William MARTIN. In 1880, he was living on Longworth St. in a boarding house of some sort. He was employed as a waiter at Hunt's Hotel. I'm trying to establish how long he had been in the Cincinnati area prior to 1880. I should mention his age in 1880 was 24. Also tracking the woman that became his wife in 1880, Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. In 1880 she was living in the Charles Taft household and listed as a servant age 20. I don't know how and even if she would be listed, but figured it's worth a shot. Again, working backwards from 1880. Thanks so much in advance, Lori ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== ~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's Parade of States Awaits! ~*~*~*~ -- Table of all States: http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== Tired of this List? Going on vacation, a business trip? Or, do you just want off? Unsubscribing (and subscribing) are a snap from here! http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/hamilton.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi folks, I've seen a couple of messages requesting info on orphan homes. I have a copy of the Ohio Soldiers & Sailors Orphans Homes, containing children from April-Nov of 1870. It's not a huge time period, but I am willing to do lookups. (It's also got employees listed in the back, with their salaries) Please put surname and something like Orphan Home in the subject line, so it gets my attention. Lori

Hi Tom, I have the church records, I must not have made that clear. The only thing contained was my ggrandparents names, date of the wedding and the names of the witnesses. Thanks for the suggestion, Lori -- Tom <texastee10@comcast.net> wrote: I doubt if crying will help, I've never known an instance where it was helpful. Since you know the date and where they were married I'd suggest writing the church direct. On some church records I've seen the parties addresses listed along with the parents names. Tom Lori wrote: >Hi folks, > >I could use some help from some of you that have experience with records at the Hamilton County Court. > >I wrote to them on the 15th of February, and already heard back from them today. However, the results were not what I'd hoped for. > >I have a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, William MARTIN and Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. They were married at St. Xavier's on 3 NOV 1880. The only information provided on the marriage certificate was the names of the couple and names of the witnesses. > >As most of you know, I've been at a dead end with this for close to a year, so decided to write to Hamilton County to see if I could get a copy of the marriage license/application, etc. > >The court request came back: "I have searched the years 1863-1884 and found no record for the request you have given us." > >I don't understand how that can be. I gave them the exact date of the marriage. I know when Ann B. helped me with this, she told me that it was from restored records. Is it the court records I'm looking for that were destroyed? > >I'm bummed out in a major way. I need desperately to verify Nellie's parents names, as I'm having doubts about the information on her death certificate. I don't know where else to turn to try and get that information, as I have absolutely nothing on her prior to her census information a few months prior to the marriage. > >Nellie worked for the Chas Taft family, and I wrote to them some time ago to see if they had anything, and they were unable to help. > >Any thoughts, suggestions, shoulders to cry on? > >Thanks, > >Lori > > >==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== >This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact >the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== Missed posts? Deleted that one that put a chink in the wall? Try the Archives. Select either searchable or browsable Archives from here! http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/hamilton.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi folks, I could use some help from some of you that have experience with records at the Hamilton County Court. I wrote to them on the 15th of February, and already heard back from them today. However, the results were not what I'd hoped for. I have a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, William MARTIN and Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. They were married at St. Xavier's on 3 NOV 1880. The only information provided on the marriage certificate was the names of the couple and names of the witnesses. As most of you know, I've been at a dead end with this for close to a year, so decided to write to Hamilton County to see if I could get a copy of the marriage license/application, etc. The court request came back: "I have searched the years 1863-1884 and found no record for the request you have given us." I don't understand how that can be. I gave them the exact date of the marriage. I know when Ann B. helped me with this, she told me that it was from restored records. Is it the court records I'm looking for that were destroyed? I'm bummed out in a major way. I need desperately to verify Nellie's parents names, as I'm having doubts about the information on her death certificate. I don't know where else to turn to try and get that information, as I have absolutely nothing on her prior to her census information a few months prior to the marriage. Nellie worked for the Chas Taft family, and I wrote to them some time ago to see if they had anything, and they were unable to help. Any thoughts, suggestions, shoulders to cry on? Thanks, Lori

Lori, Have you considered this entry from the 1870 census for La Salle, Illinois? Parents are Lawrence and Mary Ryan. Only problem seems to be the ages - Mary (senior) is 60 which would have made her 47 when Mary E. was born. Still, I've seen huge mistakes on censuses too. But, do note that Mary E. was born in Ohio. Perhaps Ellen M was Mary Ellen. Cheryl Hartley Name: Lawrence Ryan Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Age in 1870: 51 Birthplace: Ireland Home in 1870: La Salle, LaSalle, Illinois Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: La Salle Roll: M593_243 Page: 313 Image: 627 Year: 1870 Name: Mary Ryan Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Age in 1870: 60 Birthplace: Ireland Home in 1870: La Salle, LaSalle, Illinois Race: White Gender: Female Name: Mary E Ryan Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Age in 1870: 13 Birthplace: Ohio Home in 1870: La Salle, LaSalle, Illinois Race: White Gender: Female Lori wrote: >Hi Tom, > >I have the church records, I must not have made that clear. The only thing contained was my ggrandparents names, date of the wedding and the names of the witnesses. > >Thanks for the suggestion, > >Lori > >-- Tom <texastee10@comcast.net> wrote: >I doubt if crying will help, I've never known an instance where it was >helpful. Since you know the date and where they were married I'd >suggest writing the church direct. On some church records I've seen the >parties addresses listed along with the parents names. > >Tom > >Lori wrote: > > > >>Hi folks, >> >>I could use some help from some of you that have experience with records at the Hamilton County Court. >> >>I wrote to them on the 15th of February, and already heard back from them today. However, the results were not what I'd hoped for. >> >>I have a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, William MARTIN and Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. They were married at St. Xavier's on 3 NOV 1880. The only information provided on the marriage certificate was the names of the couple and names of the witnesses. >> >>As most of you know, I've been at a dead end with this for close to a year, so decided to write to Hamilton County to see if I could get a copy of the marriage license/application, etc. >> >>The court request came back: "I have searched the years 1863-1884 and found no record for the request you have given us." >> >>I don't understand how that can be. I gave them the exact date of the marriage. I know when Ann B. helped me with this, she told me that it was from restored records. Is it the court records I'm looking for that were destroyed? >> >>I'm bummed out in a major way. I need desperately to verify Nellie's parents names, as I'm having doubts about the information on her death certificate. I don't know where else to turn to try and get that information, as I have absolutely nothing on her prior to her census information a few months prior to the marriage. >> >>Nellie worked for the Chas Taft family, and I wrote to them some time ago to see if they had anything, and they were unable to help. >> >>Any thoughts, suggestions, shoulders to cry on? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Lori >> >> >>==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== >>This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact >>the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== >Missed posts? Deleted that one that put a chink in the wall? Try the Archives. Select either searchable or browsable Archives from here! http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/hamilton.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== >Missed posts? Deleted that one that put a chink in the wall? Try the Archives. Select either searchable or browsable Archives from here! http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/hamilton.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >

I was by the cemetery last week, although I was just at Blue Rock going onto Colerain, it seemed in much better shape than the last time I had been by. Don't get me wrong, it is certainly not Spring Grove, but I could actually see tomb stones & not just overgrown grass, weeds etc. The volunteers that have been working there have definitely made a difference. It sounds like now it's up to our government agencies to decide who, the county or the city or even both who will help to preserve what is left. And perhaps even the many volunteers & others interested....... Linda

Thanks for sending that URL. Merkle is the worst of the worst. http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050305/NEWS01/503050384/ Scanned for viruses by SYMANTEC.

Lori, I may have the dates a little off, but I seem to recall that Cincinnati had 4 courthouse fires during the 19th. century. So it is quite possible that the records you seek were destroyed. Unless the parties concerned made an effort to have their records remade then they are gone for good. If it's any consolation, a lot of us are in the same boat. I think the suggestion that you check the church records is a good one. Sharon Schwartz

Hello List, I am searching for info on what was listed in the Ancestry 1880 Census for Cuyahoga County as the German Methodist Orphan Asylum. It seems that some of my cousins family were living the at the time of the census and I would like to find out how to find any info that may be available for this. Thanks in advance for your time and I greatly appreciate any and all help. Peggy

I doubt if crying will help, I've never known an instance where it was helpful. Since you know the date and where they were married I'd suggest writing the church direct. On some church records I've seen the parties addresses listed along with the parents names. Tom Lori wrote: >Hi folks, > >I could use some help from some of you that have experience with records at the Hamilton County Court. > >I wrote to them on the 15th of February, and already heard back from them today. However, the results were not what I'd hoped for. > >I have a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, William MARTIN and Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. They were married at St. Xavier's on 3 NOV 1880. The only information provided on the marriage certificate was the names of the couple and names of the witnesses. > >As most of you know, I've been at a dead end with this for close to a year, so decided to write to Hamilton County to see if I could get a copy of the marriage license/application, etc. > >The court request came back: "I have searched the years 1863-1884 and found no record for the request you have given us." > >I don't understand how that can be. I gave them the exact date of the marriage. I know when Ann B. helped me with this, she told me that it was from restored records. Is it the court records I'm looking for that were destroyed? > >I'm bummed out in a major way. I need desperately to verify Nellie's parents names, as I'm having doubts about the information on her death certificate. I don't know where else to turn to try and get that information, as I have absolutely nothing on her prior to her census information a few months prior to the marriage. > >Nellie worked for the Chas Taft family, and I wrote to them some time ago to see if they had anything, and they were unable to help. > >Any thoughts, suggestions, shoulders to cry on? > >Thanks, > >Lori > > >==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== >This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact >the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi Lori, Is this Hamilton County Court the same as the Hamilton County Probate Court? If not, you might try calling the Probate Court at 513-946-3551. They have Marriage Index/Records from 1817 thru the Present. For certified copies, it is $2.00 and uncertified, it is 50 cents. Another suggestion would be to write or call the Hamilton County Library for a newspaper announcement on their marriage. I have gotten more information on my family from newspaper articles than from any other source. Best wishes in your search and don't give up. Lori <lori-n@juno.com> wrote: Hi folks, I could use some help from some of you that have experience with records at the Hamilton County Court. I wrote to them on the 15th of February, and already heard back from them today. However, the results were not what I'd hoped for. I have a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, William MARTIN and Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. They were married at St. Xavier's on 3 NOV 1880. The only information provided on the marriage certificate was the names of the couple and names of the witnesses. As most of you know, I've been at a dead end with this for close to a year, so decided to write to Hamilton County to see if I could get a copy of the marriage license/application, etc. The court request came back: "I have searched the years 1863-1884 and found no record for the request you have given us." I don't understand how that can be. I gave them the exact date of the marriage. I know when Ann B. helped me with this, she told me that it was from restored records. Is it the court records I'm looking for that were destroyed? I'm bummed out in a major way. I need desperately to verify Nellie's parents names, as I'm having doubts about the information on her death certificate. I don't know where else to turn to try and get that information, as I have absolutely nothing on her prior to her census information a few months prior to the marriage. Nellie worked for the Chas Taft family, and I wrote to them some time ago to see if they had anything, and they were unable to help. Any thoughts, suggestions, shoulders to cry on? Thanks, Lori ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact the List Mom off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- Barb in Indiana

To Marian - John thanks for your info it was appreciated, I'm yet to work out what info is worth paying for plus there is the problem of foreign exchange (If they would only take Visa!!) it makes it a bit harder from here regards and thanks Wayne from aussie land

Hi all, I need help on a Harold E Hilshorst died 14 Jul 1914 Hamilton that is all the info I have. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Regards Wayne (from Aussie land)-----

Hi, Do you know your William Martin's parent's names? Renee Werth Hi Folks, I'm wondering if anyone has access to Cincinnati directories for 1880 and working backwards from there. Looking for William MARTIN. In 1880, he was living on Longworth St. in a boarding house of some sort. He was employed as a waiter at Hunt's Hotel. I'm trying to establish how long he had been in the Cincinnati area prior to 1880. I should mention his age in 1880 was 24. Also tracking the woman that became his wife in 1880, Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. In 1880 she was living in the Charles Taft household and listed as a servant age 20. I don't know how and even if she would be listed, but figured it's worth a shot. Again, working backwards from 1880. Thanks so much in advance, Lori ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== ~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's Parade of States Awaits! ~*~*~*~ -- Table of all States: http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi busy Hamilton County List, Ollie Fox Teeters (1872-1948) lived in Delhi twp. Her funeral services were held at Union Chapel in 1948.I am interested in finding more about the chapel and cemetery if that is where she is buried. Her parents were William H.Fox (1840-?) and Sarah Rouse Girkin Fox (1841 -?) I am unable to find their death dates and places of burial also. I have information on the Fox siblings and history of Sarah til her death that I will share. Thanks for any help. Gladys in rainy San Diego

Thanks very much, Phyllis. I will check out the 'dressmaker' Nellie, and see if it fits. Nellie's middle initial is M, but I don't have one for William. I only know that he would most likely show up as being employed as a waiter, and most likely boarding somewhere. Thanks again, Phyllis! Lori -- "Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gessert.us> wrote: Lori, do you have a middle initial for him? There are quite a few Wm Martins and W. Martins listed in the 1876 Cincinnati City Directory. Here's Nellie from the 1876 Cincinnati City Directory: Nellie Ryan, dress maker, bds. 48 Lodge. Phyllis -----Original Message----- Looking for William MARTIN. I'm trying to establish how long he had been in the Cincinnati area prior to 1880. I should mention his age in 1880 was 24. Also tracking the woman that became his wife in 1880, Ellen "Nellie" RYAN. ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== Have you been to the *NEW* HAMILTON COUNTY OHIO Message Board? To get there, go to http://boards.rootsweb.com click on the U.S. States link. On the next page, click on the Counties link by the file folder icon. Then click on the link for Hamilton county. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx