I have a question about the available deeds in Hamilton County. While looking through the index on an LDS film today I found a deed that would be of great help to my research. The problem is that the index (1787-1878) says the actual deed is in Book or Vol. 488 but the films that have the actual deeds only go up to Book or Vol. 476. The missing year seems to be 1878. Does anyone know if there are deeds available anywhere for this year? Thanks, Sandi Goldsmith

Does anyone on this list have interest in these families? I am trying to connect my Steinauer's with those in Cinn. Ohio. Some of this information is from FTM CD "Germans's to America 1850-1874" #355. Some from census records and Louisville City Directory. Thanks, JoAnn > Steinauer, Antoine > Age: 25 Gender: Male > Country: Switzerland > Final Destination: New York > Manifest ID Number: 00007515 > Ship's Name: Janius > Port of Embarkation: Havre > Date of Arrival: Oct 28, 1852 > Captain's Name: Erskin > Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA > Mode of Travel: Cabin ***********************************************88 !860 Hamilton Co. Census Cinn. Ohio 10 Ward June 13, 1860 Anthony Steinhauer age 38 Switz. Carpenter Ursala age 30 Switz. Benj age 15 Switz apprent. Meinard age 14 Switz Peter age 10 Switz. Victor age 1 OHIO 1870 Hamilton Co. Census Cinn. Ohio 23 Ward Antone Steinauer age 47 Switz. cabinet maker Peter age 21 Switz Victor age 11 OHIO ************************************************ > Steinauer, Dominic > Age: 39 Gender: Male > Occupation: Farmer > Country: Germany > Last Residence: Orth > Final Destination: United States > Manifest ID Number: 00010217 > Ship's Name: Bremen > Port of Embarkation: Bremen > Date of Arrival: Mar 1, 1864 > Captain's Name: C. Meyer > Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA > Mode of Travel: Steerage ***************************************************** The Domenick Steinauer that I am researching was in Louisville, Ky. Dom Steinauer first appeared in the Louisville Directory in 1858 and 59 working as a saddler residing SE Jeff between Jackson and Hancock. In 1860 the census taker spelled this families name as Steinhauer. In the 1860 Louisville census: 1542/2539 Julu 13, 1860 2nd ward Domenick Stein(h)aur saddler age 24 born Switz. Francis age 20 born Baden Mary age 2 born Ky. In 1870 Census it is spelled Steinauer He is buried as Steinauer1893. ******************************************** > Steinauer, Ignacius > Age: 32 Gender: Male > Occupation: Farmer > Country: Saxony Weimar Eisenach > Final Destination: United States > Ship's Name: Robert > Port of Debarkation: New York > Port of Embarkation: Havre > Date of Arrival: May 11, 1854 ***************************************************** 1860 Hamilton Co. Ohio Cinn 9th Ward June6,1860 Egnatz Steinhauer age 36 Switz. Carpenter Theresia age 35 Switz Meinard age 10 Switz Chas age 8 Switz Eliza 8 months born OHIO 1870 Hamilton Co. Ohio Cinn. Ignatz Steinauer age 46 Switz. cabinet maker Theresa age 42 Switz Meinard age 19 Switz Charles age 17 Switz Eliza age 10 OHIO ******************************************* > > Steinauer, Johann > Age: 50 Gender: Male > Occupation: Farmer > Country: Saxony Weimar Eisenach > Final Destination: United States > Ship's Name: Robert > Port of Debarkation: New York > Port of Embarkation: Havre > Date of Arrival: May 11, 1854 > ***SAME SHIP AND DATE AS IGNATIUS > > > > Steinauer, Lucas > Age: 28 Gender: Male > Country: Switzerland > Final Destination: United States > Manifest ID Number: 00006765 > Port of Embarkation: Havre > Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA > Mode of Travel: Steerage **************************************************** Was there not a date for this arrival? 1870 3rd ward 30th of July Louisville, Jeff. Co. KY. L. Steinauer 38 Carpentar Switz. Barbara 28 Switz. Mary age 11 born kY Fr (Frances) age 8 female Ky Eliza age 2 Ky Caroline age 1 ky Lucas Steinauer 1873 Lou.City Dir. carpenter residing at 273 Grey near Clay ********************************************************** > > Steinauer, Madelaine > Age: 23 Gender: Female > Occupation: Farmer > Country: Saxony Weimar Eisenach > Final Destination: United States > Ship's Name: Robert > Port of Debarkation: New York > Port of Embarkation: Havre > Date of Arrival: May 11, 1854 > > ***SAME SHIP AND DATE AS IGNATIUS AND JOHANN > > Steinauer, Meinrad > Age: 3 Gender: Male > Occupation: Child > Country: Saxony Weimar Eisenach > Final Destination: United States > Ship's Name: Robert > Port of Debarkation: New York > Port of Embarkation: Havre > Date of Arrival: May 11, 1854 > > ***SAME SHIP AND DATE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JoAnn" <JoAnn@accesshsd.net> > To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:59 AM > Subject: [KYJEFFER] Question > > >> Hello list, >> >> Does anyone have the FTM CD "Germans's to America 1850-1874" #355. >> I >> would like to check on Dominique, Lucas, Ignatus, and Antone >> Steinauer/Steinhauer. They all immigrated to the US around 1855-1860 > from >> Switzerland. Dominique Steinauer is my Great -Great-Grand.. >> >> Thanks JoAnn >> >>

Hello, I am new to this list. I am trying to find a marriage. Family tradition says that my John Staab(born Abt. 1802 Germ.) 1840's line living in Louisville, KY.and Dominique Steinauer/sometimes seen as Steinhauer(born abt. 1836 Switz.) Living in Louisville KY in the 1850's had relatives in Ohio. One of my Steinauer children Amelia (Emilia) was born Ohio abt. 1876. This family lived in Louisville, Ky. at that time and were in the Louisville directory. I do not have a marriage for either of them. Is there someone who may have a CD of Index of Ohio marriages by FTM. I think it is CD #400 1789-1950. Would you please check for marriages of Staab"s and Steinauer's for me in Ohio. Thanks, JoAnn

Thank you Marilyn. Stevemorse.org looks good; I will work on it. Sam ---- Original Message ----- From: <Kaesemein@aol.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] LOOKUP > Hi Sam, > > You might be able to find that information by using Steve Morse's web page > for One-Step Searches. > > Go to: http://stevemorse.org > > Scroll down the page to the Census and Soundex heading and click on > > 1910/1930 Census ED Finder > > Follow the directions to enter state, city, street, etc. > > Good Luck, > Marilyn > > ------------------------original message-------------------------------- > In a message dated 04/07/05 7:14:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ray75@verizon.net writes: > > << I just requested a ward location for 4262 Langland Street in > Cincinnati/Cumminsville. I forgot to state that is for 1930. > > Sam > > >> > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post > your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

WARD is 23, block 60, ED is 31

Hi Sam, You might be able to find that information by using Steve Morse's web page for One-Step Searches. Go to: http://stevemorse.org Scroll down the page to the Census and Soundex heading and click on 1910/1930 Census ED Finder Follow the directions to enter state, city, street, etc. Good Luck, Marilyn ------------------------original message-------------------------------- In a message dated 04/07/05 7:14:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ray75@verizon.net writes: << I just requested a ward location for 4262 Langland Street in Cincinnati/Cumminsville. I forgot to state that is for 1930. Sam >>

I just requested a ward location for 4262 Langland Street in Cincinnati/Cumminsville. I forgot to state that is for 1930. Sam

Please advise as to what ward is 4262 Langland Street in (Cincinnati/Cumminsville). I will appreciate your help. Sam

Marian, Thanks so much for checking that directory for me. I am going to keep your e-mail, just in case. ~ Barbara in Indianapolis Marian Dietrich <myrnnch@cinci.rr.com> wrote: Barbara, I checked the 1890 Cincinnati City Directory at the library yesterday, and there were no Toltens listed. There was a Giles Tolton, waiter, 431 W. 5th. The other directories on the shelf closest to that date were 1884/85 and 1901. There were no Toltens or Toltons listed in those. Marian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Noble" To: Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: [OH-HAMILT] Cincinnati Directory/1890/TOLTEN > If someone has access to the above directory, could I please get a lookup > for: > > TOLTEN, John and Mary E. (Wood) > Married on 16 Sep 1880 in Hamilton County > > Thanks much, > Barbara in Indiana > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > DON'T send a message in ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters except when > typing a surname. It's shouting, and considered bad manners(Netiquette). > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Barbara, I checked the 1890 Cincinnati City Directory at the library yesterday, and there were no Toltens listed. There was a Giles Tolton, waiter, 431 W. 5th. The other directories on the shelf closest to that date were 1884/85 and 1901. There were no Toltens or Toltons listed in those. Marian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Noble" <barbaranoble@sbcglobal.net> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: [OH-HAMILT] Cincinnati Directory/1890/TOLTEN > If someone has access to the above directory, could I please get a lookup > for: > > TOLTEN, John and Mary E. (Wood) > Married on 16 Sep 1880 in Hamilton County > > Thanks much, > Barbara in Indiana > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > DON'T send a message in ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters except when > typing a surname. It's shouting, and considered bad manners(Netiquette). > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Thank you. I will see if I can find them. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna St. Felix" <dstfelix@erinet.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: Wesleyan - Re: [OH-HAMILT] Re: Burial Place of Samuel Williams > We're still working on transcriptions and proofing of transcriptions > for the Wesleyan Wesite (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamcem/), a long > and tedious undertaking with a LOT of almost unreadable (bad > handwriting) thru the years. It'll take us a long time to complete > things but we're plugging along. There are at 25 to 27 now approved > rolls of film available (for the Wesleyan set) thru the Family History > Centers worldwide. There's more yet to be approved if I understand > things correctly. > > - Those names and info now on the site are at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamcem/cemlist.html Click on the name if > you see a family member. More can still be added to each file also - > and we're searching for photos of the deceased to add! > > - The published book: This was a first attempt by the Historical > Society with publications like this (so I was told). It contains an > estimated 5% + of errors and ommissions. > > - There is also the ftp site, a earlier work by others: We've found > some problems here also. > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/oh/hamilton/cemeteries/wesleyan/ > > Donna (Excuse any type-o's. I'm replying 'on-line' thru my server.) > > > >> Thank you so much for this information. It turns out that Samuel > Williams >> was one of the early persons who helped create Wesleyan Cemetery but > since >> the Charter does not have an address for the Charter, it is still up > in the >> air whether it was the M.E. Wesleyan or the Wesleyan. Samuel, > according to >> his will gave quite a few acres of land to his children in the Mt. > Auburn >> area on Auburn Avenue and some of it backing Vine. I wil check this > link >> and also check for the new Cemetery book as there were other members > of the >> family buried there too. Again, thank you. Pat Morano >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J Hansen" <jrsh9999@earthlink.net> >> To: <patriciamorano@bellsouth.net>; <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:02 PM >> Subject: RE: Burial Place of Samuel Williams >> >> >> Hi Pat, >> The old Methodist church which was displaced by P&G was in downtown >> Cincinnati where the P&G world headquarters now stands. The burials > were >> removed to other cemeteries as Bob S told you. >> Wesleyan Cemetery is on the western side of the city, away from >> downtown. There used to be someone on the list who was active in >> transcribing the Wesleyan Cemetery records and putting them on-line > (maybe >> the site you found?). I'm not sure what the status of that is. > There has >> been a book published on Wesleyan Cemetery records, but that was quite >> awhile ago, and it is my understanding there were a lot of errors and >> omissions, and that a new and improved version is in the works. > Someone >> else on the list may know more. >> Mt. Auburn is now part of the city, but originally located on a hill >> north of the downtown/basin area, east of Vine Street (I'm not sure > Vine >> Street actually goes through Mt. A., although it's close by if it > doesn't). >> Mt. Auburn pretty much merges into Walnut Hills. A big cemetery > there is >> Walnut Hills Cemetery (formerly the German Protestant Cemetery of > Walnut >> Hills), founded in the 1840s, I think. There was also a Jewish > cemetery and >> a Catholic (German?) cemetery fairly close by. There were probably > others >> as well. >> The map on this page http://www.jasche.com/1899cincy.jpg shows a >> M[ethodist] E[piscopal] cemetery in the general Mt. Auburn area. I > have no >> idea what became of this cemetery, or if it still exists. There are > other >> maps on this site (run by someone else who was/is on this list). >> Vine Street runs north all the way from downtown near the Ohio River >> until its name is changed to Springfield Pike in Wyoming, about 15 > miles >> away. It divides the city (and county really) into east and west. >> Vine Street Hill Cemetery is located on the west side of Vine Street >> in Clifton (or just west of Clifton) near the zoo, about 5-6 miles > from the >> river, I would say. It's not in Mt. Auburn. Mt. Auburn is to the > south and >> east. I believe a Vine Street Hill cemetery book is also in the > works (an >> update of an earlier edition). Maybe someone with access to the > local of >> the library can check for you. >> Just throwing out some thoughts. Hope this is of some help. >> Juliann >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Scharf" <rmscharf@ocsnet.net> >> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Burial Place of Samuel Williams >> > As far as that 'factory was built' statement is concerned, I > believe that >> > that may be a reference to an older cemetery that was in a area > wanted for >> >> > a P & G structure. The remains were exhumed and moved to other > burial >> > spots, including Wesleyan. According to a P & G retiree, there were > no >> > gravesites visible when P & G acquired the land. However, when > excavations >> >> > for construction were made, some gravestones were found under the >> > Methodist fellowship hall. Following discussions with the church > and the >> > pastor, 8 feet of dirt was taken from that area and taken to > Wesleyan. Any >> >> > gravestones found were placed on this site at Wesleyan 'along with > a new >> > marker commemorating the move'. It was surmised at the time that > the >> > fellowship hall had been built over the old graves as the church > expanded >> > and that is why the graves were found UNDER the building. >> > Bob S >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: patriciamorano@bellsouth.net > [mailto:patriciamorano@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:37 PM >> >> If someone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated. > We are >> having a difference of opinion as to the burial place of my three > times >> great grandfather, Samuel Williams who died-February 3, 1859 in > Cincinnati, >> OH. We have finally gotten to look at his will and in it he requests > to be >> buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery. I found what I think his a listing > of him >> but no dates with it on a website. The rest of the family thinks he > was >> buried at Mt. Auburn Cemetery which I can find no record of > anywhere. One >> person thought that a factory was built over the cemetery and the > bodies >> removed. I also found another cemtery in the area that Samuel owned > a lot >> of land-Vine Street Cemetery. Vine Street is a part of Mt. Auburn. > Can >> someone straighten me out on this? Thank you. Pat Morano >> >> >> ______________________________ >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ===~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's > Parade of States Awaits! ~*~*~*~ >> -- Table of all States: http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html >> >> ============================Însus images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, > plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >

Thank you for all this. Don't remember if this is the E-mail I answered before. Since I last wrote we found out quite a bit more. Samuel Williams was heavily involved with the Western Methodist Book Concern before his retirement after he was the main clerk for Edward Tiffin in the Land Office. One of our cousins after receiving the information all of you sent found a map that showed Mount Auburn and Cincinatti at a later date, I believe 1868 after Samuel's death. One of John Fletcher Williams children we believe was adopted because he was born in 1855 before John Fletcher Williams married our gr. gr. grandmother but while he was still in school in Wesleyan College. He inherited a piece of land which I thought might be a clue to where the mother of this child was but turns out to be actually close to where I-75 now crosses, probably where the Millenium Hotel is standing. To make a long story short, I found this information and these links. Hope it will help someone else as several of these are to the Ladies Seminary which was in Mount Auburn, Cincinnati Orphans Asylum which was in Mount Auburn and the History of Cincinnati with all the chapters. http://www.alhn.org/~ahtopabp/orphanages/early.html http://dir.genealogytoday.com/orphan_trains.html http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=2683&o_xid=0040445766&o_lid=0040445766&o_xt=13174552 History of the Cincinnati Orphan Asylum, 1832-1882 About this book Source: History of the Cincinnati Orphan Asylum, 1832-1882 : the semi-centennial celebration at Mount Auburn, Cincinnati, 6th, 7th and 8th June, 1882.. Cincinnati. Press of R. Clarke & Co.. 1991. Notes: Errata slip inserted at p. 117. Subjects: Cincinnati Orphan Asylum. Orphanages -- Ohio -- Cincinnati. Ohio -- Hamilton County -- Cincinnati Table of Contents Title page Front matter Address by Mrs. Catharine Bates Address by Mr. Henry Probasco Statement of the Board of Managers Address of Mr. Edward F. Noyes Address of Mr. A.T. Goshorn Proceeding of the Semi-Centennial Commemoration of the Founding of the Cincinnati Orphan Asylum, June 6, 1882 Back matter Note:This is in Family And Local Histories Database-Ancestry.com ------------------------------- http://www.homeoint.org/books3/hospital/index.htm http://www.homeoint.org/books3/hospital/accredited7.htm#74-2 http://publications.ohiohistory.org/ohstemplate.cfm?action=detail&Page=0111145.html&StartPage=145&EndPage=&volume=111&notes=&newtitle=Volume+111+Page+145 http://www.clements.umich.edu/Photos/ill70-84.ndx History of the Cincinnati Orphan Asylum, 1832-1882 : the semi-centennial celebration at Mount Auburn, Cincinnati, 6th, 7th and 8th June, 1882 (Cincinnati : Press of R. Clarke & Co., 1882). 160, [1] p., [1] leaf of plates : ill. 24cm. Not in RLIN. --------------------- http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hamilton/HamiltonChapVIII.htm http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hamilton/HamiltonIndex.htm http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hamilton/HamiltonChapX.htm ---------------------- The Western Methodist Book Concern, located at 190 West Fourth street., Cincinnati, is one of the great, publishing houses of the world, and is a monument to the reading tastes and business enterprises of the denomination. This book business -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HISTORY OF CINCINNATI AND HAMILTON COUNTY. - 205 was begun for the church in Cincinnati, in 1820, by Rev. Dr. Martin Ruter, in a small room 15 x 20 foot, on Elm and Fifth streets. Subsequently the business was removed to George street, then to Main street near Sixth street, then to Main and Eighth streets, and in 1873 to its present and permanent quarters, where the agents have constructed an immense edifice eight stories in height and fronting on Fourth, Plum and Home streets. The entire property is valued at $450,000. The local advisory book committee consists of J. N. Gamble, R. A. W. Buehl, and R. Dymond, who have rendered valuable services. The publishing agents of the church are Rev. Earl Cranston, D. D., and Rev. Lewis Curts, D. D., under whose management the business of the Concern, with its branches at Chicago and St. Louis, amounted during 1893 to $1,046,298.30, and its profits to $138,853.60, all of which belongs to the Church and is used for denominational purposes. Rev. David H. Moore, D. D., is the editor of its leading periodicals, the Western Christian Advocate having a weekly circulation of 31,000. The sale of German publications and periodicals of the Western Book Concern amounted to $110,207.63, in 1893. ------------------------------- http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hamilton/HamiltonChapXI.htm PA Box 137 3 Catalogue. Mount Auburn Young Ladies' Institute, Cincinnati, Ohio, 1857-1858. http://www.ohiohistory.org/resource/archlib/research/women/education.html --------------------------- Like I said, I hope at least one of these will be of help to someone else in their search. So far I have not found a list of children from the Orphans Asylum but it does give the years of operation nor the Ladies Seminary which is not far from there. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hansen" <jrsh9999@earthlink.net> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: RE: Burial Place of Samuel Williams > Hi Pat, > The old Methodist church which was displaced by P&G was in downtown > Cincinnati where the P&G world headquarters now stands. The burials were > removed to other cemeteries as Bob S told you. > Wesleyan Cemetery is on the western side of the city, away from > downtown. There used to be someone on the list who was active in > transcribing the Wesleyan Cemetery records and putting them on-line (maybe > the site you found?). I'm not sure what the status of that is. There has > been a book published on Wesleyan Cemetery records, but that was quite > awhile ago, and it is my understanding there were a lot of errors and > omissions, and that a new and improved version is in the works. Someone > else on the list may know more. > Mt. Auburn is now part of the city, but originally located on a hill > north of the downtown/basin area, east of Vine Street (I'm not sure Vine > Street actually goes through Mt. A., although it's close by if it doesn’t). > Mt. Auburn pretty much merges into Walnut Hills. A big cemetery there is > Walnut Hills Cemetery (formerly the German Protestant Cemetery of Walnut > Hills), founded in the 1840s, I think. There was also a Jewish cemetery > and > a Catholic (German?) cemetery fairly close by. There were probably others > as well. > The map on this page http://www.jasche.com/1899cincy.jpg shows a > M[ethodist] E[piscopal] cemetery in the general Mt. Auburn area. I have > no > idea what became of this cemetery, or if it still exists. There are other > maps on this site (run by someone else who was/is on this list). > Vine Street runs north all the way from downtown near the Ohio River > until its name is changed to Springfield Pike in Wyoming, about 15 miles > away. It divides the city (and county really) into east and west. > Vine Street Hill Cemetery is located on the west side of Vine Street > in Clifton (or just west of Clifton) near the zoo, about 5-6 miles from > the > river, I would say. It's not in Mt. Auburn. Mt. Auburn is to the south > and > east. I believe a Vine Street Hill cemetery book is also in the works (an > update of an earlier edition). Maybe someone with access to the local of > the library can check for you. > Just throwing out some thoughts. Hope this is of some help. > Juliann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Scharf" <rmscharf@ocsnet.net> > To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:16 PM > Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Burial Place of Samuel Williams >> As far as that 'factory was built' statement is concerned, I believe that >> that may be a reference to an older cemetery that was in a area wanted >> for > >> a P & G structure. The remains were exhumed and moved to other burial >> spots, including Wesleyan. According to a P & G retiree, there were no >> gravesites visible when P & G acquired the land. However, when >> excavations > >> for construction were made, some gravestones were found under the >> Methodist fellowship hall. Following discussions with the church and the >> pastor, 8 feet of dirt was taken from that area and taken to Wesleyan. >> Any > >> gravestones found were placed on this site at Wesleyan 'along with a new >> marker commemorating the move'. It was surmised at the time that the >> fellowship hall had been built over the old graves as the church expanded >> and that is why the graves were found UNDER the building. >> Bob S > > -----Original Message----- > From: patriciamorano@bellsouth.net [mailto:patriciamorano@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:37 PM > > If someone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated. We are > having a difference of opinion as to the burial place of my three times > great grandfather, Samuel Williams who died-February 3, 1859 in > Cincinnati, > OH. We have finally gotten to look at his will and in it he requests to > be > buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery. I found what I think his a listing of > him > but no dates with it on a website. The rest of the family thinks he was > buried at Mt. Auburn Cemetery which I can find no record of anywhere. One > person thought that a factory was built over the cemetery and the bodies > removed. I also found another cemtery in the area that Samuel owned a lot > of land-Vine Street Cemetery. Vine Street is a part of Mt. Auburn. Can > someone straighten me out on this? Thank you. Pat Morano > > > ______________________________ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 > > > ______________________________

We're still working on transcriptions and proofing of transcriptions for the Wesleyan Wesite (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamcem/), a long and tedious undertaking with a LOT of almost unreadable (bad handwriting) thru the years. It'll take us a long time to complete things but we're plugging along. There are at 25 to 27 now approved rolls of film available (for the Wesleyan set) thru the Family History Centers worldwide. There's more yet to be approved if I understand things correctly. - Those names and info now on the site are at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamcem/cemlist.html Click on the name if you see a family member. More can still be added to each file also - and we're searching for photos of the deceased to add! - The published book: This was a first attempt by the Historical Society with publications like this (so I was told). It contains an estimated 5% + of errors and ommissions. - There is also the ftp site, a earlier work by others: We've found some problems here also. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/oh/hamilton/cemeteries/wesleyan/ Donna (Excuse any type-o's. I'm replying 'on-line' thru my server.) > Thank you so much for this information. It turns out that Samuel Williams > was one of the early persons who helped create Wesleyan Cemetery but since > the Charter does not have an address for the Charter, it is still up in the > air whether it was the M.E. Wesleyan or the Wesleyan. Samuel, according to > his will gave quite a few acres of land to his children in the Mt. Auburn > area on Auburn Avenue and some of it backing Vine. I wil check this link > and also check for the new Cemetery book as there were other members of the > family buried there too. Again, thank you. Pat Morano > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Hansen" <jrsh9999@earthlink.net> > To: <patriciamorano@bellsouth.net>; <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:02 PM > Subject: RE: Burial Place of Samuel Williams > > > Hi Pat, > The old Methodist church which was displaced by P&G was in downtown > Cincinnati where the P&G world headquarters now stands. The burials were > removed to other cemeteries as Bob S told you. > Wesleyan Cemetery is on the western side of the city, away from > downtown. There used to be someone on the list who was active in > transcribing the Wesleyan Cemetery records and putting them on-line (maybe > the site you found?). I'm not sure what the status of that is. There has > been a book published on Wesleyan Cemetery records, but that was quite > awhile ago, and it is my understanding there were a lot of errors and > omissions, and that a new and improved version is in the works. Someone > else on the list may know more. > Mt. Auburn is now part of the city, but originally located on a hill > north of the downtown/basin area, east of Vine Street (I'm not sure Vine > Street actually goes through Mt. A., although it's close by if it doesn’t). > Mt. Auburn pretty much merges into Walnut Hills. A big cemetery there is > Walnut Hills Cemetery (formerly the German Protestant Cemetery of Walnut > Hills), founded in the 1840s, I think. There was also a Jewish cemetery and > a Catholic (German?) cemetery fairly close by. There were probably others > as well. > The map on this page http://www.jasche.com/1899cincy.jpg shows a > M[ethodist] E[piscopal] cemetery in the general Mt. Auburn area. I have no > idea what became of this cemetery, or if it still exists. There are other > maps on this site (run by someone else who was/is on this list). > Vine Street runs north all the way from downtown near the Ohio River > until its name is changed to Springfield Pike in Wyoming, about 15 miles > away. It divides the city (and county really) into east and west. > Vine Street Hill Cemetery is located on the west side of Vine Street > in Clifton (or just west of Clifton) near the zoo, about 5-6 miles from the > river, I would say. It's not in Mt. Auburn. Mt. Auburn is to the south and > east. I believe a Vine Street Hill cemetery book is also in the works (an > update of an earlier edition). Maybe someone with access to the local of > the library can check for you. > Just throwing out some thoughts. Hope this is of some help. > Juliann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Scharf" <rmscharf@ocsnet.net> > To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:16 PM > Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Burial Place of Samuel Williams > > As far as that 'factory was built' statement is concerned, I believe that > > that may be a reference to an older cemetery that was in a area wanted for > > > a P & G structure. The remains were exhumed and moved to other burial > > spots, including Wesleyan. According to a P & G retiree, there were no > > gravesites visible when P & G acquired the land. However, when excavations > > > for construction were made, some gravestones were found under the > > Methodist fellowship hall. Following discussions with the church and the > > pastor, 8 feet of dirt was taken from that area and taken to Wesleyan. Any > > > gravestones found were placed on this site at Wesleyan 'along with a new > > marker commemorating the move'. It was surmised at the time that the > > fellowship hall had been built over the old graves as the church expanded > > and that is why the graves were found UNDER the building. > > Bob S > > -----Original Message----- > From: patriciamorano@bellsouth.net [mailto:patriciamorano@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:37 PM > > If someone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated. We are > having a difference of opinion as to the burial place of my three times > great grandfather, Samuel Williams who died-February 3, 1859 in Cincinnati, > OH. We have finally gotten to look at his will and in it he requests to be > buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery. I found what I think his a listing of him > but no dates with it on a website. The rest of the family thinks he was > buried at Mt. Auburn Cemetery which I can find no record of anywhere. One > person thought that a factory was built over the cemetery and the bodies > removed. I also found another cemtery in the area that Samuel owned a lot > of land-Vine Street Cemetery. Vine Street is a part of Mt. Auburn. Can > someone straighten me out on this? Thank you. 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Thank you so much for this information. It turns out that Samuel Williams was one of the early persons who helped create Wesleyan Cemetery but since the Charter does not have an address for the Charter, it is still up in the air whether it was the M.E. Wesleyan or the Wesleyan. Samuel, according to his will gave quite a few acres of land to his children in the Mt. Auburn area on Auburn Avenue and some of it backing Vine. I wil check this link and also check for the new Cemetery book as there were other members of the family buried there too. Again, thank you. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Hansen" <jrsh9999@earthlink.net> To: <patriciamorano@bellsouth.net>; <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: RE: Burial Place of Samuel Williams Hi Pat, The old Methodist church which was displaced by P&G was in downtown Cincinnati where the P&G world headquarters now stands. The burials were removed to other cemeteries as Bob S told you. Wesleyan Cemetery is on the western side of the city, away from downtown. There used to be someone on the list who was active in transcribing the Wesleyan Cemetery records and putting them on-line (maybe the site you found?). I'm not sure what the status of that is. There has been a book published on Wesleyan Cemetery records, but that was quite awhile ago, and it is my understanding there were a lot of errors and omissions, and that a new and improved version is in the works. Someone else on the list may know more. Mt. Auburn is now part of the city, but originally located on a hill north of the downtown/basin area, east of Vine Street (I'm not sure Vine Street actually goes through Mt. A., although it's close by if it doesn’t). Mt. Auburn pretty much merges into Walnut Hills. A big cemetery there is Walnut Hills Cemetery (formerly the German Protestant Cemetery of Walnut Hills), founded in the 1840s, I think. There was also a Jewish cemetery and a Catholic (German?) cemetery fairly close by. There were probably others as well. The map on this page http://www.jasche.com/1899cincy.jpg shows a M[ethodist] E[piscopal] cemetery in the general Mt. Auburn area. I have no idea what became of this cemetery, or if it still exists. There are other maps on this site (run by someone else who was/is on this list). Vine Street runs north all the way from downtown near the Ohio River until its name is changed to Springfield Pike in Wyoming, about 15 miles away. It divides the city (and county really) into east and west. Vine Street Hill Cemetery is located on the west side of Vine Street in Clifton (or just west of Clifton) near the zoo, about 5-6 miles from the river, I would say. It's not in Mt. Auburn. Mt. Auburn is to the south and east. I believe a Vine Street Hill cemetery book is also in the works (an update of an earlier edition). Maybe someone with access to the local of the library can check for you. Just throwing out some thoughts. Hope this is of some help. Juliann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Scharf" <rmscharf@ocsnet.net> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Burial Place of Samuel Williams > As far as that 'factory was built' statement is concerned, I believe that > that may be a reference to an older cemetery that was in a area wanted for > a P & G structure. The remains were exhumed and moved to other burial > spots, including Wesleyan. According to a P & G retiree, there were no > gravesites visible when P & G acquired the land. However, when excavations > for construction were made, some gravestones were found under the > Methodist fellowship hall. Following discussions with the church and the > pastor, 8 feet of dirt was taken from that area and taken to Wesleyan. Any > gravestones found were placed on this site at Wesleyan 'along with a new > marker commemorating the move'. It was surmised at the time that the > fellowship hall had been built over the old graves as the church expanded > and that is why the graves were found UNDER the building. > Bob S -----Original Message----- From: patriciamorano@bellsouth.net [mailto:patriciamorano@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:37 PM If someone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated. We are having a difference of opinion as to the burial place of my three times great grandfather, Samuel Williams who died-February 3, 1859 in Cincinnati, OH. We have finally gotten to look at his will and in it he requests to be buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery. I found what I think his a listing of him but no dates with it on a website. The rest of the family thinks he was buried at Mt. Auburn Cemetery which I can find no record of anywhere. One person thought that a factory was built over the cemetery and the bodies removed. I also found another cemtery in the area that Samuel owned a lot of land-Vine Street Cemetery. Vine Street is a part of Mt. Auburn. Can someone straighten me out on this? Thank you. Pat Morano ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005

Hi Pat, The old Methodist church which was displaced by P&G was in downtown Cincinnati where the P&G world headquarters now stands. The burials were removed to other cemeteries as Bob S told you. Wesleyan Cemetery is on the western side of the city, away from downtown. There used to be someone on the list who was active in transcribing the Wesleyan Cemetery records and putting them on-line (maybe the site you found?). I'm not sure what the status of that is. There has been a book published on Wesleyan Cemetery records, but that was quite awhile ago, and it is my understanding there were a lot of errors and omissions, and that a new and improved version is in the works. Someone else on the list may know more. Mt. Auburn is now part of the city, but originally located on a hill north of the downtown/basin area, east of Vine Street (I'm not sure Vine Street actually goes through Mt. A., although it's close by if it doesn’t). Mt. Auburn pretty much merges into Walnut Hills. A big cemetery there is Walnut Hills Cemetery (formerly the German Protestant Cemetery of Walnut Hills), founded in the 1840s, I think. There was also a Jewish cemetery and a Catholic (German?) cemetery fairly close by. There were probably others as well. The map on this page http://www.jasche.com/1899cincy.jpg shows a M[ethodist] E[piscopal] cemetery in the general Mt. Auburn area. I have no idea what became of this cemetery, or if it still exists. There are other maps on this site (run by someone else who was/is on this list). Vine Street runs north all the way from downtown near the Ohio River until its name is changed to Springfield Pike in Wyoming, about 15 miles away. It divides the city (and county really) into east and west. Vine Street Hill Cemetery is located on the west side of Vine Street in Clifton (or just west of Clifton) near the zoo, about 5-6 miles from the river, I would say. It's not in Mt. Auburn. Mt. Auburn is to the south and east. I believe a Vine Street Hill cemetery book is also in the works (an update of an earlier edition). Maybe someone with access to the local of the library can check for you. Just throwing out some thoughts. Hope this is of some help. Juliann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Scharf" <rmscharf@ocsnet.net> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Burial Place of Samuel Williams > As far as that 'factory was built' statement is concerned, I believe that > that may be a reference to an older cemetery that was in a area wanted for > a P & G structure. The remains were exhumed and moved to other burial > spots, including Wesleyan. According to a P & G retiree, there were no > gravesites visible when P & G acquired the land. However, when excavations > for construction were made, some gravestones were found under the > Methodist fellowship hall. Following discussions with the church and the > pastor, 8 feet of dirt was taken from that area and taken to Wesleyan. Any > gravestones found were placed on this site at Wesleyan 'along with a new > marker commemorating the move'. It was surmised at the time that the > fellowship hall had been built over the old graves as the church expanded > and that is why the graves were found UNDER the building. > Bob S -----Original Message----- From: patriciamorano@bellsouth.net [mailto:patriciamorano@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:37 PM If someone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated. We are having a difference of opinion as to the burial place of my three times great grandfather, Samuel Williams who died-February 3, 1859 in Cincinnati, OH. We have finally gotten to look at his will and in it he requests to be buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery. I found what I think his a listing of him but no dates with it on a website. The rest of the family thinks he was buried at Mt. Auburn Cemetery which I can find no record of anywhere. One person thought that a factory was built over the cemetery and the bodies removed. I also found another cemtery in the area that Samuel owned a lot of land-Vine Street Cemetery. Vine Street is a part of Mt. Auburn. Can someone straighten me out on this? Thank you. Pat Morano ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005

Thank you very much for this information. That may be where my one cousin got the information. Sounds like the information I heard as I understood from one of the websites that there were some graves moved from Methodist Wesleyan Cemetery. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Scharf" <rmscharf@ocsnet.net> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Burial Place of Samuel Williams > Pat Morano, At 10:37 PM 4/1/05 -0500, you wrote: >>If someone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated. We are >>having a difference of opinion as to the burial place of my three times >>great grandfather, Samuel Williams who died-February 3, 1859 in >>Cincinnati, OH. We have finally gotten to look at his will and in it he >>requests to be buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery. I found what I think his >>a listing of him but no dates with it on a website. The rest of the >>family thinks he was buried at Mt. Auburn Cemetery which I can find no >>record of anywhere. One person thought that a factory was built over the >>cemetery and the bodies removed. I also found another cemtery in the area >>that Samuel owned a lot of land-Vine Street Cemetery. Vine Street is a >>part of Mt. Auburn. Can someone straighten me out on this? Thank you. >>Pat Morano >> >>There is a listing for Samuel WILLIAMS in Wesleyan. He was 72 when he >>died on 3 Feb 1859. The Record for his interment location is not very >>helpful, it merely lists some lot numbers, but no grave number or Section >>no. I have been working on transcribing the old Wesleyan records for the >>past several years and have become somwhat familiar with them. However, >>this is the first time I have come across a notation like this. It may be >>that a group of lots (as noted - '3.8.9.10' ) was purchased by a family >>and he is buried in one of them. However, until we know the Section, it >>would be difficult to find where his grave would be. At this point, the >>best I can offer is that you continue to monitor the Wesleyan site >><http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamcem> for further information. This site is >>being added to from time to time and, eventually, all the transcribed >>records will be shown. > > As far as that 'factory was built' statement is concerned, I believe that > that may be a reference to an older cemetery that was in a area wanted for > a P & G structure. The remains were exhumed and moved to other burial > spots, including Wesleyan. According to a P & G retiree, there were no > gravesites visible when P & G acquired the land. However, when excavations > for construction were made, some gravestones were found under the > Methodist fellowship hall. Following discussions with the church and the > pastor, 8 feet of dirt was taken from that area and taken to Wesleyan. Any > gravestones found were placed on this site at Wesleyan 'along with a new > marker commemorating the move'. It was surmised at the time that the > fellowship hall had been built over the old graves as the church expanded > and that is why the graves were found UNDER the building. > > I hope that this is of some help. > > Bob S > > ______________________________

Thank you so much for your response, Phyllis. This guy, John Tolten, is really a mystery. [ha! ha!] Yes, your response really helps me and I appreciate it. Barbara in Indiana Phyllis Garratt <pgarratt@gessert.us> wrote: Barbara, I have 1889. Will that help? There are no TOLTENs listed, and only one TOLTON (with an 'o'): Giles Tolton, waiter, h. 243 Central Av. Phyllis -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Noble [mailto:barbaranoble@sbcglobal.net] SentSubject: [OH-HAMILT] Cincinnati Directory/1890/TOLTEN TOLTEN, John and Mary E. (Wood) Married on 16 Sep 1880 in Hamilton County ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times of those we seek in Hamilton County is permissible, but MUST be kept within the list's guidelines. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Pat Morano, At 10:37 PM 4/1/05 -0500, you wrote: >If someone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated. We are >having a difference of opinion as to the burial place of my three times >great grandfather, Samuel Williams who died-February 3, 1859 in >Cincinnati, OH. We have finally gotten to look at his will and in it he >requests to be buried in the Wesleyan Cemetery. I found what I think his >a listing of him but no dates with it on a website. The rest of the >family thinks he was buried at Mt. Auburn Cemetery which I can find no >record of anywhere. One person thought that a factory was built over the >cemetery and the bodies removed. I also found another cemtery in the area >that Samuel owned a lot of land-Vine Street Cemetery. Vine Street is a >part of Mt. Auburn. Can someone straighten me out on this? Thank >you. Pat Morano > >There is a listing for Samuel WILLIAMS in Wesleyan. He was 72 when he >died on 3 Feb 1859. The Record for his interment location is not very >helpful, it merely lists some lot numbers, but no grave number or Section >no. I have been working on transcribing the old Wesleyan records for the >past several years and have become somwhat familiar with them. However, >this is the first time I have come across a notation like this. It may be >that a group of lots (as noted - '3.8.9.10' ) was purchased by a family >and he is buried in one of them. However, until we know the Section, it >would be difficult to find where his grave would be. At this point, the >best I can offer is that you continue to monitor the Wesleyan site ><http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamcem> for further information. This site is >being added to from time to time and, eventually, all the transcribed >records will be shown. As far as that 'factory was built' statement is concerned, I believe that that may be a reference to an older cemetery that was in a area wanted for a P & G structure. The remains were exhumed and moved to other burial spots, including Wesleyan. According to a P & G retiree, there were no gravesites visible when P & G acquired the land. However, when excavations for construction were made, some gravestones were found under the Methodist fellowship hall. Following discussions with the church and the pastor, 8 feet of dirt was taken from that area and taken to Wesleyan. Any gravestones found were placed on this site at Wesleyan 'along with a new marker commemorating the move'. It was surmised at the time that the fellowship hall had been built over the old graves as the church expanded and that is why the graves were found UNDER the building. I hope that this is of some help. Bob S

Barbara, I have 1889. Will that help? There are no TOLTENs listed, and only one TOLTON (with an 'o'): Giles Tolton, waiter, h. 243 Central Av. Phyllis -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Noble [mailto:barbaranoble@sbcglobal.net] SentSubject: [OH-HAMILT] Cincinnati Directory/1890/TOLTEN TOLTEN, John and Mary E. (Wood) Married on 16 Sep 1880 in Hamilton County

If someone has access to the above directory, could I please get a lookup for: TOLTEN, John and Mary E. (Wood) Married on 16 Sep 1880 in Hamilton County Thanks much, Barbara in Indiana