Hi; Only my opinion, but I think "Jno" is simply to be taken as what it is -- an abbreviated form of a name, whether John or Jonathan. I have seen it for both, by the way. Just like "Wm" is William, and "Edw." might be either Edward or Edwin. Just someone's idea of shortening a writing chore. There would have to be other documentation to verify what the person's name really was. Ann Bergelt Florida

How did the name John/Jonathon transform into Jno? I have several ancestors who were listed at times on census records as "Jno." and have wondered what it meant and then why it was not just written as John. As yet, i have only seen it with german ancestors. Is it possible it derived from a german word?

Jonathan

Here is a silly question. What does Jno stand for in regards to a first name? Thanks, Lisa

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I have a book called "They Became Americans" and according to it the the NA is for naturalized, A stands for alien and PA means that the individual had applied for but not completed the naturalization process. Hope this helps. Elaine

Hello, Milly Piros offered to do a look up on the 1890 census. Would you be able to check the following persons? All from the same familiy. Clara Richter born 1860 Mary Richter born 1862 Rosa Richter born 1864 Joseph Richter born 1866 Louis George Richter born 1868 August Richter born 1871 Charles Richter born 1872 Edward Richter born 1873 All born in Cincinatti John H Richter born Germany 1833 Bernadine Richter (Mescher) born Germany 1834. Thanks in advance and greetings from Rikus Kaijer from Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <OHHAMILT-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <OHHAMILT-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:00 AM Subject: OHHAMILT-D Digest V05 #137

Hello Rikus, You may have missed my follow up message to Milly's offer. Only two pages of the 1890 Hamilton Co. Census were saved and since one family was enumerated per page, that means only two families are known. Milly may not have realized this when she made her offer. Here are the only two family enumerations that survived: Hamilton County, Cincinnati, Ohio ED# 81 Ward 3 (page ??3) Census enumerated July 4, 1890 Street Address: 6 David St. Alexander Hay or LaHay, head, white, male, 48, married, b. OH, both parents b. Scotland, Retired, able to read and write, speaks English Anna or Ann W., wife, 49?, no children, b. OH, both parents b. OH Delia Fa??ine, servant, age ??, single, b. Scotland, parents b. Scotland number of years in US?: don't know, can read, write and speak English ===================================================== Hamilton County, Cincinnati ED# 81 - Ward 15 (p. 124? or 134?) Census enumerated June 4, 1890 Address: 6 Clinton Amand Williams, black, head, age: ?8, widow of soldier, sailor or marine during the Civil War: yes, b. KY, father & mother b. KY, house servant, cannot read or write Marilyn - List Mom -----------------------original message----------------------- In a message dated 7/28/2005 11:02:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rikusk@iinet.net.au writes: Hello, Milly Piros offered to do a look up on the 1890 census. Would you be able to check the following persons? All from the same familiy. Clara Richter born 1860 Mary Richter born 1862 Rosa Richter born 1864 Joseph Richter born 1866 Louis George Richter born 1868 August Richter born 1871 Charles Richter born 1872 Edward Richter born 1873 All born in Cincinatti John H Richter born Germany 1833 Bernadine Richter (Mescher) born Germany 1834. Thanks in advance and greetings from Rikus Kaijer from Australia.

It took me a very long time to find my ancestor Gustav Schultz. He appeared in the census as a farmhand shortly after he came here but I could never find him in a ships list even though I knew the day he came to the US. Eventually I found an obituary that listed a Half Brother. His mother had remarried and he was listed under his step fathers name on the ships list. It occurred to me the same situation may cause what looks like a young person coming by themselves and as stated earlier they could have come with an aunt or other extended family with a different surname.

Dear List, The one lister gave excellent advice, when they told the inquirer to check to see, if there were other friends or relatives on board ship with this young man and his brother. Usually people from a community or family come together, so he probably had a good support system with him to help with the little one. However, stories from our families make it more romantic to think that he braved the trip himself with his little brother. My husband's maternal grandfather supposedly came with friends or relatives, when he was a young child. Later, we discovered that he came with his parents and other siblings. His oldest brother's descendant gave us this information. After their arrival another daughter was born, but the parents died within a month of each other in 1893. There were several siblings of the Father already here plus the oldest brother had married shortly after their arrival here, so his younger siblings had people to care for them. When my mother-in-law came along in 1911, she never heard about her grandparents. She did not know that her Aunt Eva was her Dad's sister just that she came to visit and brought little gifts. When we discovered that the family was from Omersbach in Unterfranken from the information given on the marriage of one of the sisters, we found a relative, who told us that his grandfather remembered taking the Family to Bremen to catch the boat to America. They told us that! their mode of travel was in a cattle wagon. Thanks for sharing your storeis and queries with me. Karla Nurnberg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

Have you checked Spring Grove Cemetery? http://www.springgrove.org/springgrove/genealogy_query.asp There are lots of Ross's and Herbsts there. OHHAMILT-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >OHHAMILT-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 156 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [OH-HAMILT] Re: [OH-HAMILT) Ce ["Jack Ott" <jackott2@comcast.net>] > #2 RE; Census question, NA means Natu ["Phyllis Garratt" <pgarratt@gesser] > #3 Re: [OH-HAMILT] Re: [OH-HAMILT) Ce ["Lori" <lori-n@juno.com>] > #4 Re: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Re: [OH-HAMILT [<subknave@cox.net>] > #5 Re: [OH-HAMILT] Re: [OH-HAMILT) Ce [Kaesemein@aol.com] > #6 Re: [OH-HAMILT] Re: [OH-HAMILT) Ce ["Jackie" <schultes.meissner_gensea] > #7 Raschig Public School [Jasskirv@aol.com] > #8 Re: [OH-HAMILT] Thanks Na &Childre [KennettW@aol.com] > #9 Re: [OH-HAMILT] Thanks Na &Childre [lindag1947@comcast.net] > #10 Re: [OH-HAMILT] Thanks Na &Childre ["Ray Boniker" <IRAY@msn.com>] > #11 ROSS [Bob Scharf <rmscharf@ocsnet.net>] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe, send an email containing one word, UNSUBSCRIBE, in the Subject Line and Message area, to: OHHAMILT-D-request@rootsweb.com. NO other text! > >Still need help? Contact the List Admin at: > >OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > ROSS > From: > Bob Scharf <rmscharf@ocsnet.net> > Date: > Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:05:12 -0700 > To: > OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com > > > At 06:34 PM 7/22/05 -0400, you wrote: > >> I need help finding death information about K(C)atherine Herbst Ross. >> She is >> in the 1880 census and the rest of the family is in Columbus circa >> 1900, any >> leads locating Kate or her daughter, Lilly, are needed. >> Larry > > > > >> Larry, There are no ROSS's listed at the Vine Street Hill Cemetery, >> but there are two Lilley's listed at Wesleyan Cemetery for the 1857 >> to 1881 period. > > > Lilley, 11m, died 10 Jan 1864, buried in Sec C, lot 57 > > Lilley, 1y 8m, bur. 12 Aug 1866 in the ROSS lot in Sec C. > > There also is : > > Miss Kate ROSS, 20y, 1m, 4d, bur. 28 Apr 1870 in the W 1/2 lot 75 > 1/2, Sec O > > A number of other ROSS's , not with your names, were interred in > Wesleyan during that period. Let me know if you would like data on > those others. > > Bob S CA > > >

I have relatives who came to Cincinnati in 1883, 1885 and 1887. Census records say they were naturalized. I have written to the Hamilton County court and have been told that my request was referred to INS in Washington, DC. That was two years ago. Efforts to trace this have been fruitless. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd very much appreciate them. Marcia Hoffman Baltimore, MD Researching MELLMAN, BRAVERMAN, ODENHS in Hamilton County

I don't know about bringing a very young child with you, but my great-grandfather Friedrich Kruse came to America (and Cincinnati) when he was 9. He also came alone across the Atlantic in about 1881 , but was "sponsored" by his aunt and uncle in Cincinnati. I'm assuming someone met him on the American side and saw that he got to Cincinnati. In my ggrandfather's case, the aunt and uncle used him as virtual "slave labor" on their farm until he was of age. By the way, if you're looking for them in New York immigration records, I was looking for my ggrandfather there too, until I found out that he came in through Baltimore, Maryland. Don't forget the "other" ports on the east coast!! Linda in Utah -------------- Original message -------------- > To all who answered my census question I say Thanks! I am glad to get the > information on AL and PA in case I run across it in my searches. > > I have posted this a few years back. It is hard for me to understand how my > grandfather, Dietrich Brengelman, came to the states when only in his early > teens bringing his little brother, Bernhard Brengelman, who was, according to > census, only a year old. They came over in 1867 and the earliest census I > can find on Dietrich is the 1880 where he is listed as Richard Brengelman and > married with two children-one which is my grandfather. There is no evidence > that their parents came with them. Information from a departed cousin said > that R. Jeni was his sponsor. > > I can find Bernhard Brengelman with his family in the 1900-10 census. Both > men lived the rest of their lives in Cincinnati and a both are buried in > Vine Street Cemetery. > > Kennett > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > Tired of this List? Going on vacation, a business trip? Or, do you just want > off? Unsubscribing (and subscribing) are a snap from here! > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/hamilton.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

To all who answered my census question I say Thanks! I am glad to get the information on AL and PA in case I run across it in my searches. I have posted this a few years back. It is hard for me to understand how my grandfather, Dietrich Brengelman, came to the states when only in his early teens bringing his little brother, Bernhard Brengelman, who was, according to census, only a year old. They came over in 1867 and the earliest census I can find on Dietrich is the 1880 where he is listed as Richard Brengelman and married with two children-one which is my grandfather. There is no evidence that their parents came with them. Information from a departed cousin said that R. Jeni was his sponsor. I can find Bernhard Brengelman with his family in the 1900-10 census. Both men lived the rest of their lives in Cincinnati and a both are buried in Vine Street Cemetery. Kennett

At 06:34 PM 7/22/05 -0400, you wrote: >I need help finding death information about K(C)atherine Herbst Ross. She is >in the 1880 census and the rest of the family is in Columbus circa 1900, any >leads locating Kate or her daughter, Lilly, are needed. > Larry >Larry, There are no ROSS's listed at the Vine Street Hill Cemetery, but >there are two Lilley's listed at Wesleyan Cemetery for the 1857 to 1881 >period. Lilley, 11m, died 10 Jan 1864, buried in Sec C, lot 57 Lilley, 1y 8m, bur. 12 Aug 1866 in the ROSS lot in Sec C. There also is : Miss Kate ROSS, 20y, 1m, 4d, bur. 28 Apr 1870 in the W 1/2 lot 75 1/2, Sec O A number of other ROSS's , not with your names, were interred in Wesleyan during that period. Let me know if you would like data on those others. Bob S CA >==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== >Missed posts? Deleted that one that put a chink in the wall? Try the >Archives. Select either searchable or browsable Archives from here! >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/OH/hamilton.html > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

My G-G-Grandmother seemingly traveled alone from Germany to Cincinnati at a very tender age. She was the only one with her surname on the ship. But as I scratched the surface and learned more about her background in Germany, I looked at the passenger list again and found that she was surrounded on the ship with many cousins, aunts and uncles - all with different last names. Ray > To all who answered my census question I say Thanks! I am glad to get the > information on AL and PA in case I run across it in my searches. > > I have posted this a few years back. It is hard for me to understand how my > grandfather, Dietrich Brengelman, came to the states when only in his early > teens bringing his little brother, Bernhard Brengelman, who was, according to > census, only a year old. They came over in 1867 and the earliest census I > can find on Dietrich is the 1880 where he is listed as Richard Brengelman and > married with two children-one which is my grandfather. There is no evidence > that their parents came with them. Information from a departed cousin said > that R. Jeni was his sponsor.

In a message dated 7/26/2005 8:00:37 PM US Mountain Standard Time, OHHAMILT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I must have missed that inquiry about the Raschig school. The Cincinnati 1788-1943 WPA Guide (Cincinnati: The Ohio Historical Society, 1987) reprint states: "The RASCHIG PUBLIC SCHOOL, NE corner of Elm St. and W. Central Pkwy., a red-brick stone-trimmed structure of four and five stories, is an elementary school with approximately 140 pupils. It was named for Herman Raschig, principal from 1847 to 1909; his likeness is shown on a bronze plaque on the Elm Street wall, with the motto: 'Do right and fear no one.' Raschig fought for more liberal treatment of school teachers and was the author of the Ohio Teachers' Pension Law. For many years he served as president of the Teachers' Pension Fund Association." Barbara This is very interesting to me. I have two photos of my father for two different years taken at a grade school unknown to me. They were probably taken during the early 1900s as he was born in 1897. At that time his family was living around 105 W. 12th St, Ward 9, and later around 1619 Moore St. and 13th and Bremen. Would anyone know if Raschig would be the school for this area? He had three brothers and a sister all born around this area. It sure would be nice to know the name of the school. Thanks Joan in Scottsdale, AZ

NA means he was naturalized. -Lori -- KennettW@aol.com wrote: On each of the census reports(Hamilton County) that I find my great grandfather listed it states under year of immigration to the US 1867;number of years in the US (1900 was 33 years) then under naturalization there is Na. His brothers census states the same as they came to the US from Germany when my great grandfather was in his teens and his brother only two or three years old--and came without parents. The earliest census I have found him on is the 1880 census and he is listed as Richard Brengelman (German name was Dietrich and he is listed as such in 1900 & 1910) and wife and children of Richard are my family. My question is what does the Na stand for --not applicable and if so why not? One of my father's cousins said that he became a citizen on October 2, 1876 but I have yet to find the record. Any information or ideas appreciated. Kennett ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== ~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's Parade of States Awaits! ~*~*~*~ -- Table of all States: http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Additional comment on the PA, it was a two step process... ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaesemein@aol.com To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Re: [OH-HAMILT) Census question Kennett, The other replies you received are correct. NA stands for naturalized which means he has become a citizen. If the census says AL, that stands for alien which means the person is not a citizen and if it says Pa, it means the person has applied for papers to become a citizen. Marilyn --------------------original message--------------------------- In a message dated 7/26/2005 9:42:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, KennettW@aol.com writes: My question is what does the Na stand for --not applicable and if so why not? One of my father's cousins said that he became a citizen on October 2, 1876 but I have yet to find the record. Any information or ideas appreciated. Kennett ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times of those we seek in Hamilton County is permissible, but MUST be kept within the list's guidelines. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005

Kennett, The other replies you received are correct. NA stands for naturalized which means he has become a citizen. If the census says AL, that stands for alien which means the person is not a citizen and if it says Pa, it means the person has applied for papers to become a citizen. Marilyn --------------------original message--------------------------- In a message dated 7/26/2005 9:42:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, KennettW@aol.com writes: My question is what does the Na stand for --not applicable and if so why not? One of my father's cousins said that he became a citizen on October 2, 1876 but I have yet to find the record. Any information or ideas appreciated. Kennett