There are 10 ASCHE's listed. Do you have a first name(s)? Bob S At 04:24 PM 8/22/05 -0400, you wrote: >Bob, > >A very kind offer. Is the sunname ASCHE in the book? >

May I request a look up for Frederich Lehmann? My ancestor's death certificate found in his widows pension application indicates that he was buried in Carthage Road Cemetery (I understand that this is now Vine Street Cemetery) Sept 1875. A death certificate for a young daughter Augusta, was also in the Archive records. She died December 1875. Other members of this family were found buried in a large lot in Spring Grove Cemetery. These members all died after 1875. Thank you so very much for your trouble. Virginia

Evelyn, There are no HANRAHAN's in Vine Street, but there was one KEATING: Laura - Div.,d/o Harry Joseph WOLF & Berdella RUDOSOL, b 29 Nov 1904, d. 15 Nov 1949, bur. in Sec 22 gr 2363 Bob S At 02:11 PM 8/22/05 -0500, you wrote: >Bob, > >I would very much appreciate a lookup for KEATING and HANRAHAN. > >Thank you. God Bless. > >Evelyn in AR > > > >

We got adoption records in Putnam Co. some years ago. They were over 75 yrs. old at the time. Bob S At 02:12 PM 8/22/05 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >she said adoption records in Ohio are >sealed forever. Is this true? >

Thank you ,Thank you Thank you, I'm very sure this is my Zola and like you I think they made mistakes on first the spelling of her name and also the date,1 day can make a difference but I'm sure it's her.Maybe she died at 11:59 pm and they took her son at 12:00.In genealogy anything is possible! Thanks again so very much for the help! Stacy Mitchell-Ryan

Hi Susan, When I had my grandmother's Adoption File opened in Cambridge, MA, in the 1990's, one of the documents had the letterhead stating: State House Department of the Out-Door Poor State Board of Lunacy and Charity I know that my mother and aunt always "hated" that "office name." I don't know when they changed the name of that "Board." I learned later that, in general terms, the "Out-Door Poor" were the people living in their own homes .. who needed "Government assistance" in order to get help with food and "heat" and rent, etc. Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: <SHASTA4737@aol.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Are adoption and lunacy records sealed forever? > > In a message dated 8/22/2005 7:15:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > gilburns@aol.com writes: > > I also have interest in this topic from the lunacy standpoint - I cannot > find death info for a distant great uncle who was listed as insane on census > records from 1850 thru 1880. > > My interest is also regional, since the families he did and could have lived > with were on both sides of the river. > > > > Hi Mark, > > My genealogist found the record in the index of a court book in Champaign > County, Ohio, but the clerk wouldn't let her see it. I have no idea what is in > it or what happened. You could try to find a court "lunacy" record at the > courthouses in Hamilton Co., Ohio and over the river in Kentucky. > > Has anyone heard of a "lunacy" record? I'm so curious about this I can't > stand it! > > By the way, I did find the death certificate and one-line obit for this > ancestor: He committed suicide at his home. I wonder if all suicides had a court > "lunacy" record? Maybe that is what the record contains. The genealogist did > not give me the date of the record, but my ancestor died in 1884. > > Sincerely, > > Susan E. Davis > > > > ______________________________

Hi again, I forgot to mention that my grandmother's Adoption in 1892 has strong connections to Ohio. It's a long story, so I'll just briefly summarize: My grandmother was reportedly a "foundling" in Boston, MA, in Feb. 1888. And, in Mar. 1892 near Boston, she was adopted by an older couple. John and Mary (CLARK) DEXTER had mysteriously moved out of their life-long home in Killingly, CT, and moved to Boston, MA, during the spring or summer of 1888 (right around the time "someone" got pregnant with my grandmother). It is my "educated guess" that John and Mary's married daughter, Mrs. Clara (DEXTER) YOUNG, had an "unwanted pregnancy" in the spring or summer of 1888. And, in order to keep a "small town scandal" down to a low roar, they moved to Boston and kept track of their granddaughter's whereabouts - after she was "found" on the steps of a church. Back in Killingly, CT, Abner and Clara YOUNG had a 7-year-old son, Earle YOUNG. He grew up, married, and moved to New Haven, CT. One of the sons was Winthrop YOUNG, who married and lived for quite a few years in .. Ohio !!! His 3 sons lived in Ohio after they married. In his retirement, Winthrop spent many years researching and then self-publishing (home-typed) a family-history document on his "YOUNG line." I was able to get a Xerox copy of this document, and his DEXTER great-grandparents are hardly mentioned at all ! And, there is NO mention of his grandmother's much younger "adoptive" sister ! ----- Original Message ----- From: <gilburns@aol.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Are adoption and lunacy records sealed forever? > Susan, you got farther into this subject than I did, I just got the answer 'we do not have those'. > > I also have interest in this topic from the lunacy standpoint - I cannot find death info for a distant great uncle who was listed as insane on census records from 1850 thru 1880. > > My interest is also regional, since the families he did and could have lived with were on both sides of the river. > > thanks > > Mark Gilbert > > our southwest ohio families' genealogy is at > http://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=eimarkg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SHASTA4737@aol.com > To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:35:12 EDT > Subject: [OH-HAMILT] Are adoption and lunacy records sealed forever? > > > > Hi, > > I've been trying to obtain adoption records in Hamilton County, Ohio. The > clerk told me that they are sealed forever. Is this a new rule? I thought it > was only for 75 years. This ancestor's adoption was about 1881. > > Also, I've tried to get a "lunacy" court record on one of my great > grandfathers and was told that these are sealed forever also. The lunacy record > is > also from about 1881. > > Could someone tell me if this is Ohio law or are the clerks in error? Could > different counties have different rules on adoption and lunacy records? > > Thanks for any help! > > Sincerely, > > Susan E. Davis > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > DON'T send a message in ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters except when > typing a surname. It's shouting, and considered bad manners(Netiquette). > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

Hi Susan and Mark, You probably can write a letter to the "Family and Probate Court" in the County your relative was in and ask them directly. In Massachusetts, there is a "100-year law." Since my grandmother was adopted in 1892, anytime after 1992, I could go to the Probate Court in Cambridge, MA, and "apply" to have her Adoption File opened. I did this, and was approved. Unfortunately, there were only 6 papers in the file folder, and I only received a few tidbits of information which I didn't already have. Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: <gilburns@aol.com> To: <OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Are adoption and lunacy records sealed forever? > Susan, you got farther into this subject than I did, I just got the answer 'we do not have those'. > > I also have interest in this topic from the lunacy standpoint - I cannot find death info for a distant great uncle who was listed as insane on census records from 1850 thru 1880. > > My interest is also regional, since the families he did and could have lived with were on both sides of the river. > > thanks > > Mark Gilbert > > our southwest ohio families' genealogy is at > http://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=eimarkg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SHASTA4737@aol.com > To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:35:12 EDT > Subject: [OH-HAMILT] Are adoption and lunacy records sealed forever? > > > > Hi, > > I've been trying to obtain adoption records in Hamilton County, Ohio. The > clerk told me that they are sealed forever. Is this a new rule? I thought it > was only for 75 years. This ancestor's adoption was about 1881. > > Also, I've tried to get a "lunacy" court record on one of my great > grandfathers and was told that these are sealed forever also. The lunacy record > is > also from about 1881. > > Could someone tell me if this is Ohio law or are the clerks in error? Could > different counties have different rules on adoption and lunacy records? > > Thanks for any help! > > Sincerely, > > Susan E. Davis > > > > ==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== > DON'T send a message in ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters except when > typing a surname. It's shouting, and considered bad manners(Netiquette). > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

Dear List, Several people have obligingly looked up cemetery listings for others lately. I also have a request, please. I live in Oregon. My father-in-law visited Kerr Cemetery in Symms Twp in the 1970s and copied the names of four tombstones from the “old part of the cemetery, near the bluff”. My request is: Eleanor Agnew (died 24 Jun 1866) had a 4 line verse beginning “Dear Sister”. I would like to know what the verse is. Also, there are three graves (he did not copy) between Eleanor Agnew and Mathilda Sears – wife of Joseph Sears, b. 5 Feb 1804 d. 4 Jan 1881. I believe the names and dates of the people in those three graves would be a help to me. I would appreciate it if anyone can get this information for me. Ginny ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Hi Bob, Would you look up the last names Nieske, Neske, and Shannon in Vine Street Hill Cemetery? Thanks so much, Sincerely, Susan

This might be better discussed on OHIO-L, since it seems to pertain to all counties. Somebody there may be more knowledgeable. I would also suggest that you ask the clerk to provide you with the legal citation to support denial of your request. Doesn't the Open Records Law have some provisions for things like this? Wilson Hi Wilson, Thanks for the advice on the adoption and lunacy records. I'll ask on OHIO-L. I plan to keep asking about the availability of all of these types of records because I am concerned we are losing our rights to see them. There should be a set of laws somewhere that tells what is sealed and what is not sealed. It is too bad that my genealogist didn't ask for a legal citation, but she said that she had never encountered a problem like that before. Sincerely, Susan

In a message dated 8/22/2005 9:06:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Margfreemon@aol.com writes: Is there a Earl Adams or a Maurice Adams buried in the Vine Hill Street Cemetery in Hamilton County Ohio Thank You Margaret Are there any Neckel or Zulsdorf/Zielsdorf/Zuhlsdorf/f buried in the Vine Hill Street Cemetery? Thank you, Denise Ratterman Jackson

Is there a Earl Adams or a Maurice Adams buried in the Vine Hill Street Cemetery in Hamilton County Ohio Thank You Margaret

Thank you so very much Bob for finding my grandfather, Harry Anderson. He was buried with his second wife's family, not with all the rest of our family and I never knew his date of death. Also a big thank you to Jackie. I will be writing to the cemetary to get the information about who he was buried near. This list is so helpful. Judy Anderson Looking for: Anderson, Neville, Reeves and Crane

I find that Hamilton County is not complete. I too have Ancestry. If anyone else has more info I am looking for Philip and Emma Nunn. They are present in 1880 and I know where Emma is in 1900 (Philip is deceased by then). Please let me know. Thanks, Penny

Hi Evelyn: There is 1 KEATING listed but no HANRAHAN'S. KEATING, Laura - Div.; d/o Harry Joseph WOLF & Berdella RUDOSOL. Laura Keating b. 11-29-1904 d. 11-15-1949 Sec. 22 Grave 2363 Cindy a Cincinnatian LOST in Florida Researching: SCHWEIN, DIVEL(E)Y, FERGUSON, VON HEDT -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn F. Lehman [mailto:evlee@cox-internet.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:12 PM To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OH-HAMILT] Look-up for Vine Street Hill Cemetary Bob, I would very much appreciate a lookup for KEATING and HANRAHAN. Thank you. God Bless. Evelyn in AR At 08:16 AM 8/22/2005, you wrote: >Larry, There are 34 ROSS's listed in Vine Street, but none of your names. > >Bob S > >At 04:55 PM 8/21/05 -0400, you wrote: >>Are K(C)atherine or Lilly Ross in Vine Hill? >> >> Larry > > > >==== OHHAMILT Mailing List ==== >This List is dedicated to Hamilton County, Ohio. If you have a problem, >question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact the List Mom >off-list at OHHAMILT-admin@rootsweb.com Thanks. > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ______________________________

Susan I agree with Mark - you got further than me. I am looking for orphanage records from 1880 until about 1883. My great great grandmother Margaret Conley Lafont died in child birth. My great great grandfather Nicholas Lafont (Lafontaine) put the children in St. Joe's orphanage. When he remarried a few years later he claimed the kids (my great grandmother Clara Belle Lafont Kelly and her brother Peter Lafont). I can get nothing out of St. Joe's even sent a donation. They kept the money and sent nothing. Karen Grumski -----Original Message----- From: SHASTA4737@aol.com [mailto:SHASTA4737@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:35 PM To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Are adoption and lunacy records sealed forever? Hi, I've been trying to obtain adoption records in Hamilton County, Ohio. The clerk told me that they are sealed forever. Is this a new rule? I thought it was only for 75 years. This ancestor's adoption was about 1881. Also, I've tried to get a "lunacy" court record on one of my great grandfathers and was told that these are sealed forever also. The lunacy record is also from about 1881. Could someone tell me if this is Ohio law or are the clerks in error? Could different counties have different rules on adoption and lunacy records? Thanks for any help! Sincerely, Susan E. Davis ______________________________

Hi Bobbie: There are 2 Rolands listed in the Vine Street Hill Cemetary Book. ROLAND, Carrie w/o Wm J., d/o of August LIERMAN & Catherine Clara Meiser. Carrie Roland b. 7-6-1876 d. 11-9-1959 Sec. 7 Lot 270 Grave 5 ROLAND William w'd/o Carrie LIERMAN; s/o Wm Roland & Elizabeth THULLEN. William Roland b. 3-16-1887 d. 4-19-1962 Sec 22A Grave 2045 Hope this helps. Cindy a Cincinnatian LOST in Florida Researching: SCHWEIN, DIVEL(E)Y, FERGUSON, VON HEDT -----Original Message----- From: Bcorpw@aol.com [mailto:Bcorpw@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:42 AM To: OHHAMILT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: 'Vine Street Hill Cemetary' Are there any Rolands listed here? Thanks, Bobbie/N.C. _bcorpw@aol.com_ (mailto:bcorpw@aol.com) ______________________________

In a message dated 8/22/2005 9:04:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SHASTA4737@aol.com writes: Hi, I've been trying to obtain adoption records in Hamilton County, Ohio. The clerk told me that they are sealed forever. Is this a new rule? I thought it was only for 75 years. This ancestor's adoption was about 1881. Also, I've tried to get a "lunacy" court record on one of my great grandfathers and was told that these are sealed forever also. The lunacy record is also from about 1881. Could someone tell me if this is Ohio law or are the clerks in error? Could different counties have different rules on adoption and lunacy records? Thanks for any help! Sincerely, Susan E. Davis This might be better discussed on OHIO-L, since it seems to pertain to all counties. Somebody there may be more knowledgeable. I would also suggest that you ask the clerk to provide you with the legal citation to support denial of your request. Doesn't the Open Records Law have some provisions for things like this? Wilson

Stacy, Don't know if this is your Zola or not, but the OHS death index shows the death of a Zola HECKERT in Hamilton Co. on June 4, 1920. _http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/results.cfm_ (http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex/results.cfm) Perhaps the name was misspelled? Marilyn --------------original message---------------------- In a message dated 8/22/2005 10:55:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, stevesdreamboatt@aol.com writes: Hello Searchers, I'm hoping someone out there may have some infor that will help me out.My g-aunt Zola/Zora Hardiman ( b abt 1901 Cincy) married Clifford F.Herkert pre 1920 census.I have the census listing for them.I also have the census for 1930 census for Clifford married to Mary Urmanic(b 31 Oct 1908 Cincy),with son Clifford.Mary would have been only 10 at Cliffords birth so it's impossible for her to be the mother of son Clifford.Son Clifford b 5 Jun 1920,census date 12 Jan 1920,Zola and Clifford were living with my g-grandmother Margaret Hardimam at 3004 Price Ave.,Cincy.Can anyone help me figure out what happ ened to Zola?I have no way of knowing if she died or if they were divorced.Does anyone have any records that may help me in finding out what happened to Zola? There is nothing at Spring Grove Cemetery for her that much I can tell you.I wish all cemeteries made genealogy as nice as the site as they have. Spring Grove is the best one I have ever run across in my years of searching. Thanks so much for any help!!!!! Stacy Mitchell-Ryan