John Benjamin, Brother of Mrs. Cora White, uncle of Mrs. Edith Biron, Mrs. Mary L. Pearl and Mrs. Juanita Craven, Sunday Oct. 10, 1971 of Goshen, Oh. Services Monroe Cophat(?) Funeral Home, Milford, on Oct. 13. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Listers, I was in the wrong format, for posting those obits. I'm sorry, I will try to fix it and resend them. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Hi Ann.......I was wondering the same thing myself. Maybe she thinks she is sending an attachment? And doesn't know they are not going through? Margaret

Ohio has an Open Records Law that entitles viewing of public records and obtaining copies. However there is no enforcement and if someone refuses you are pretty much out of luck unless you want to sue them. It's worth a try sometimes as some officials maybe unaware of the law. - Penny in Ohio In a message dated 5/10/2008 5:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I can understand them not wanting the old record book on a copier. I've worked with old records and I know what can happen due to excess use and large books are hard to handle without damage to paper. Take your camera. Get close to the page when you take a photo and take more than one photo in case one is bad. Concerning access to old records, public offices can refuse use due to condition BUT usually things are already on film. They can charge a small fortune for them doing photos as they do in MI. Then you want a month or so to get them and have NO digital back up. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patti Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records Kay, Just an FYI.... If you plan to visit Blegen in person, be sure to call and see if someone will be there and available to pull them (Naturalization and other records) that day. My mother and I went there some time ago, to look at our ancestors Naturalization. We called, took the day off and happily went on our way with great anticipation for seeing the record in person. Well...the head honcho was there and very argumentative. He said he had no time for public researchers and no one had time to waste pulling records for us. It was so bad we argued that we called and were told that we could come down and research, etc. He said, well I guess you can have a few minutes if you want to look at one of the reference books (next to us on a shelf). He was not going to have records pulled and besides the particular ones (Naturalizations) that we wanted to see were in extremely brittle condition and we wouldn't be able to see them anyway. After again arguing about our right to see these PUBLIC records he finally said he would have someone get it. The book came up in excellent and beautiful condition. We then asked for a photocopy. He said No. So I took up about a half hour of his time slowly handwriting the entire record out by hand. The photocopy would have been just a few minutes. This man was very uncooperative and should not have been in charge of public records. I suggest that you take a digital camera in case you have this same man or the like. I just wanted to mention this, so you could prepare as best as possible if going in person. We are going to go back and try again for a copy and if not we will take a photo of it. Does anyone know our legal rights to these public records? ~Patti ---------- > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:04:37 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII > In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:14:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Where would I find Cincinnati or Hamilton County naturalization > records.? > He > would have done this between 1860 and 1880. > Kay Weber To contact the List Administrator, send an email to: [email protected] Did you miss a message? You can find it in the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHHAMILT/ Don't forget--there is also a message board for Hamilton County: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.hamil ton/mb.ashx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM To contact the List Administrator, send an email to: [email protected] Did you miss a message? You can find it in the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHHAMILT/ Don't forget--there is also a message board for Hamilton County: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.hamilto n/mb.ashx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

All; I have been contacted by another Cincinnati-area researcher who is looking for someone possibly to refer two specific obituaries to him The obits requested are: Clarence Leuderalbert - September 15, 1959 Harry Schmidt - September 10, 1961 The direct e-mail for the former listmember is: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Thanks - please correspond directly with him. Best wishes, Ann **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hi Donna, I too have heard different stories. Unfortunately I have found a few of the larger cities do not make it easy for researchers or the public in general. Fortunately I have ran into more locations who cant do enough for you. I recently was in Clermont County, Ohio and they were so very nice and friendly. They even would try and make suggestions as to where to look. Lovely group of people and lovely county for making records easily available. The Hamilton County Probate Court has always been good to me as well. Glad to hear that you have better experiences where you are. I am also glad that I have had more positive experiences (other locales), than not. I couldn't have done all the research I have without those who have helped me along the way. I am always thankful to those individuals. ~Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "MFederle" <[email protected]> To: "Patti" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records >I have heard more than one story exactly like yours. I certainly wouldn't >have the patience to deal with people like that, and they are in Hamilton >Co. in more places than the Blegen library. Such a difference in the area >of the country I now live in. > Martha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records > > >> Kay, >> Just an FYI.... >> If you plan to visit Blegen in person, be sure to call and see if someone >> will be there and available to pull them (Naturalization and other >> records) >> that day. My mother and I went there some time ago, to look at our >> ancestors Naturalization. We called, took the day off and happily went >> on >> our way with great anticipation for seeing the record in person. >> >> Well...the head honcho was there and very argumentative. He said he had >> no >> time for public researchers and no one had time to waste pulling records >> for >> us. It was so bad we argued that we called and were told that we could >> come >> down and research, etc. He said, well I guess you can have a few minutes >> if >> you want to look at one of the reference books (next to us on a shelf). >> He >> was not going to have records pulled and besides the particular ones >> (Naturalizations) that we wanted to see were in extremely brittle >> condition >> and we wouldn't be able to see them anyway. After again arguing about >> our >> right to see these PUBLIC records he finally said he would have someone >> get >> it. >> >> The book came up in excellent and beautiful condition. We then asked for >> a >> photocopy. He said No. So I took up about a half hour of his time >> slowly >> handwriting the entire record out by hand. The photocopy would have been >> just a few minutes. This man was very uncooperative and should not have >> been in charge of public records. I suggest that you take a digital >> camera >> in case you have this same man or the like. >> >> I just wanted to mention this, so you could prepare as best as possible >> if >> going in person. We are going to go back and try again for a copy and if >> not we will take a photo of it. >> >> Does anyone know our legal rights to these public records? >> ~Patti >> >> >> ---------- >>> > Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:04:37 EDT >>> From: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records >>> To: [email protected] >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII >>> In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:14:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> Where would I find Cincinnati or Hamilton County naturalization >>> records.? >>> He >>> would have done this between 1860 and 1880. >>> Kay Weber >> >> >> >> To contact the List Administrator, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> Did you miss a message? You can find it in the list's archives here: >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHHAMILT/ >> >> Don't forget--there is also a message board for Hamilton County: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.hamilton/mb.ashx >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Donna, I too can understand that records need care so that they will be there for our children, their children and the future. The records in this case are not on film, were in pristine condition and they had the resources to help us. My main reason for posting was to tell someone of our situation so that they would not be unprepared for it. It causes a lot of disappointment and time off work is precious. We did everything we were supposed to according to their rules. The records are indeed property of the public and are to be made available to us. As to getting a copy of it, I too suggested the camera as back up. Thanks you for your thoughts. ~Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna (History Buff) M. St. Felix" <[email protected]> To: "'Patti'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records I can understand them not wanting the old record book on a copier. I've worked with old records and I know what can happen due to excess use and large books are hard to handle without damage to paper. Take your camera. Get close to the page when you take a photo and take more than one photo in case one is bad. Concerning access to old records, public offices can refuse use due to condition BUT usually things are already on film. They can charge a small fortune for them doing photos as they do in MI. Then you want a month or so to get them and have NO digital back up. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patti Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records Kay, Just an FYI.... If you plan to visit Blegen in person, be sure to call and see if someone will be there and available to pull them (Naturalization and other records) that day. My mother and I went there some time ago, to look at our ancestors Naturalization. We called, took the day off and happily went on our way with great anticipation for seeing the record in person. Well...the head honcho was there and very argumentative. He said he had no time for public researchers and no one had time to waste pulling records for us. It was so bad we argued that we called and were told that we could come down and research, etc. He said, well I guess you can have a few minutes if you want to look at one of the reference books (next to us on a shelf). He was not going to have records pulled and besides the particular ones (Naturalizations) that we wanted to see were in extremely brittle condition and we wouldn't be able to see them anyway. After again arguing about our right to see these PUBLIC records he finally said he would have someone get it. The book came up in excellent and beautiful condition. We then asked for a photocopy. He said No. So I took up about a half hour of his time slowly handwriting the entire record out by hand. The photocopy would have been just a few minutes. This man was very uncooperative and should not have been in charge of public records. I suggest that you take a digital camera in case you have this same man or the like. I just wanted to mention this, so you could prepare as best as possible if going in person. We are going to go back and try again for a copy and if not we will take a photo of it. Does anyone know our legal rights to these public records? ~Patti ---------- > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:04:37 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII > In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:14:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Where would I find Cincinnati or Hamilton County naturalization > records.? > He > would have done this between 1860 and 1880. > Kay Weber To contact the List Administrator, send an email to: [email protected] Did you miss a message? You can find it in the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHHAMILT/ Don't forget--there is also a message board for Hamilton County: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.hamil ton/mb.ashx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM

I can understand them not wanting the old record book on a copier. I've worked with old records and I know what can happen due to excess use and large books are hard to handle without damage to paper. Take your camera. Get close to the page when you take a photo and take more than one photo in case one is bad. Concerning access to old records, public offices can refuse use due to condition BUT usually things are already on film. They can charge a small fortune for them doing photos as they do in MI. Then you want a month or so to get them and have NO digital back up. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patti Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records Kay, Just an FYI.... If you plan to visit Blegen in person, be sure to call and see if someone will be there and available to pull them (Naturalization and other records) that day. My mother and I went there some time ago, to look at our ancestors Naturalization. We called, took the day off and happily went on our way with great anticipation for seeing the record in person. Well...the head honcho was there and very argumentative. He said he had no time for public researchers and no one had time to waste pulling records for us. It was so bad we argued that we called and were told that we could come down and research, etc. He said, well I guess you can have a few minutes if you want to look at one of the reference books (next to us on a shelf). He was not going to have records pulled and besides the particular ones (Naturalizations) that we wanted to see were in extremely brittle condition and we wouldn't be able to see them anyway. After again arguing about our right to see these PUBLIC records he finally said he would have someone get it. The book came up in excellent and beautiful condition. We then asked for a photocopy. He said No. So I took up about a half hour of his time slowly handwriting the entire record out by hand. The photocopy would have been just a few minutes. This man was very uncooperative and should not have been in charge of public records. I suggest that you take a digital camera in case you have this same man or the like. I just wanted to mention this, so you could prepare as best as possible if going in person. We are going to go back and try again for a copy and if not we will take a photo of it. Does anyone know our legal rights to these public records? ~Patti ---------- > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:04:37 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII > In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:14:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Where would I find Cincinnati or Hamilton County naturalization > records.? > He > would have done this between 1860 and 1880. > Kay Weber To contact the List Administrator, send an email to: [email protected] Did you miss a message? You can find it in the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHHAMILT/ Don't forget--there is also a message board for Hamilton County: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.hamil ton/mb.ashx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM

I have heard more than one story exactly like yours. I certainly wouldn't have the patience to deal with people like that, and they are in Hamilton Co. in more places than the Blegen library. Such a difference in the area of the country I now live in. Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records > Kay, > Just an FYI.... > If you plan to visit Blegen in person, be sure to call and see if someone > will be there and available to pull them (Naturalization and other > records) > that day. My mother and I went there some time ago, to look at our > ancestors Naturalization. We called, took the day off and happily went on > our way with great anticipation for seeing the record in person. > > Well...the head honcho was there and very argumentative. He said he had > no > time for public researchers and no one had time to waste pulling records > for > us. It was so bad we argued that we called and were told that we could > come > down and research, etc. He said, well I guess you can have a few minutes > if > you want to look at one of the reference books (next to us on a shelf). > He > was not going to have records pulled and besides the particular ones > (Naturalizations) that we wanted to see were in extremely brittle > condition > and we wouldn't be able to see them anyway. After again arguing about our > right to see these PUBLIC records he finally said he would have someone > get > it. > > The book came up in excellent and beautiful condition. We then asked for > a > photocopy. He said No. So I took up about a half hour of his time slowly > handwriting the entire record out by hand. The photocopy would have been > just a few minutes. This man was very uncooperative and should not have > been in charge of public records. I suggest that you take a digital > camera > in case you have this same man or the like. > > I just wanted to mention this, so you could prepare as best as possible if > going in person. We are going to go back and try again for a copy and if > not we will take a photo of it. > > Does anyone know our legal rights to these public records? > ~Patti > > > ---------- >> > Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:04:37 EDT >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII >> In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:14:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Where would I find Cincinnati or Hamilton County naturalization >> records.? >> He >> would have done this between 1860 and 1880. >> Kay Weber > > > > To contact the List Administrator, send an email to: [email protected] > > Did you miss a message? You can find it in the list's archives here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/OHHAMILT/ > > Don't forget--there is also a message board for Hamilton County: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.hamilton/mb.ashx > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kay, Just an FYI.... If you plan to visit Blegen in person, be sure to call and see if someone will be there and available to pull them (Naturalization and other records) that day. My mother and I went there some time ago, to look at our ancestors Naturalization. We called, took the day off and happily went on our way with great anticipation for seeing the record in person. Well...the head honcho was there and very argumentative. He said he had no time for public researchers and no one had time to waste pulling records for us. It was so bad we argued that we called and were told that we could come down and research, etc. He said, well I guess you can have a few minutes if you want to look at one of the reference books (next to us on a shelf). He was not going to have records pulled and besides the particular ones (Naturalizations) that we wanted to see were in extremely brittle condition and we wouldn't be able to see them anyway. After again arguing about our right to see these PUBLIC records he finally said he would have someone get it. The book came up in excellent and beautiful condition. We then asked for a photocopy. He said No. So I took up about a half hour of his time slowly handwriting the entire record out by hand. The photocopy would have been just a few minutes. This man was very uncooperative and should not have been in charge of public records. I suggest that you take a digital camera in case you have this same man or the like. I just wanted to mention this, so you could prepare as best as possible if going in person. We are going to go back and try again for a copy and if not we will take a photo of it. Does anyone know our legal rights to these public records? ~Patti ---------- > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:04:37 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OHHAMILT] Naturalization records > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII > In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:14:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Where would I find Cincinnati or Hamilton County naturalization records.? > He > would have done this between 1860 and 1880. > Kay Weber

I may have a rare opportunity to be in Cincy in a couple of weeks. It will be a short visit and I will have only either Friday or Saturday to research. Would someone be so kind to email me directly with information on procedure? I've never done hands on, in house research before! What I'm looking for is: my grandmother, Elva (Pinky) Pace Cravens was widowed in 1937. She died in 1951. In that 14 year span she remarried William McWhorter, I am assuming somewhere in Hamilton County. I would like to find paper on this. Can you tell me where the library is, hours of operation, what services I can expect, where I go to find this specific information and any other pertinent information so that I might well utilize my available time? Thanks so much for your help! Linda Whitaker Disher Summerville SC