This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ronita70 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.guernsey/4401/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for ancestor information for Samuel Paxton b.1770 d.1851 bur. Cumberland Cemetary, Guernsey County. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johncook790 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.guernsey/4400.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David: Here is the 1850 Census data for West and St Clair families living in Spencer Twp: Pg 151, 01 August 1850 Dwelling 341; Household 341: St Clair David, 54, b. MD Elizabeth, 43, b. PA John, 22, b. OH William, 19, b. OH Gracy L, 16, b. OH Mary, 12, b. OH David, 11, b. OH Caldwell, Andrew, 15, b. OH Creek, Wilson, 7, b. OH Dwelling 342; Household 342: St Clair, Lester, 37, b. OH Rebecca A, 24, b. OH Mary A, 1, b. OH Dwelling 343; Household 343: Godfrey, George, 30, b. VA Sarah L, 22, b. OH Mary C, 1, b. OH Dwelling 344; Household 344: West, Nathan, 60, b. VA Mary, 54, b. VA Martha, 12, b. OH My guess is that Nathan is Rebecca's father. Further, her sister is probably Sarah Godfrey. Nathan was granted patents to two tracts of land in 1835: Ohio River Survey, Guernsey County, T9N, R10W, Sections 27 and 35, totaling 80 acres. 1840 Census data, Spencer Twp, for Nathan West household shows Male, 20-30: 1 (?) Male, 40-50: 1 (Nathan) Female, under 5: 1 Female, 5-10: 1 Female, 10-15: 1 (?Sarah L) Female, 15-20: 1 (Rebecca) Female, 40-50: 2 (Mary and ?) Nathan does not appear in the 1860 Census. I could not find any marriages for Nathan West in Ohio or VA. Hope this helps, Elizabeth Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: flabeers1 Surnames: West, St.Clair Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.guernsey/4400/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on Rebecca A West (1826-1865). She was the wife of Lester St.Clair (1819-1895) both of Guernsey county around the Spencer/Cumberland area. She had 9 children, but died. Lester married Priscilla Fox. In Priscilla's obit. it said she was a mother to all of Lester's children. Lester and Rebecca's son David moved to Florida. His daughter was my grandmother Rebecca Jane St.Clair. I am named for David. Have not found anything on Rebecca except the information I have. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The Guernsey county genealogical people gave me tons of St.Clair stuff which was really great, but even they don't have anything on Rebecca. Thanks, David Beers Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

By the way, some of you are waiting for lookups from me from the "Historical Sketches," I am still reading. Here is a little of what I have found so far: Surname Sketch Number Edition Arnold #6 01/18/94 Evans #5 01/11/94 and #8 02/1/94 Graham #3 12/14/93 Loffland #4 12/21/93 and #8 02/1/94 Metcalf #4 12/21/93 and #3 12/14/93 and #2 12/07/93 Ogier #6 01/18/94 (This is hard to read and probably Ogler not Ogier but thought I'd mention it anyway) Williams #8 02/01/94 and #9 02/08/94 If your name isn't listed above, I haven't found it yet but I'm still reading. If you don't want to wait for the transcripts on Betty Shinn's site, let me know and I will send you the image version. Elizabeth Garland > From: bshinn@cebridge.net > To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:37:28 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches > > I am just helping out my fellow genealogist by putting them on my site. > Elizabeth Garland supplied the sketches and MaryLu Metz is transcribing them > for me. The Thanks goes to them for all their work. > > > > > ================== > To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

THANKS so much to Betty for posting the articles and MaryLu Metz for transcribing them!! I could not have done it myself! Elizabeth Garland > From: bshinn@cebridge.net > To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:10:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches > > All who are interested in the Historical Sketches can view three of them at: > http://bettyshinn.com > The rest will be added as they are transcribed. > > > > > > ================== > To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Miss Elizabeth, You can send me the image version of Evans, Loffland and Metcalf if you don't mind. Thanks bunches! :) > [Original Message] > From: Elizabeth Garland <ebarwick@hotmail.com> > To: <ohguerns@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/20/2008 3:43:08 PM > Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches > > By the way, some of you are waiting for lookups from me from the "Historical Sketches," I am still reading. Here is a little of what I have found so far: > > Surname Sketch Number Edition > > Arnold #6 01/18/94 > Evans #5 01/11/94 and > #8 02/1/94 > Graham #3 12/14/93 > Loffland #4 12/21/93 and > #8 02/1/94 > Metcalf #4 12/21/93 and > #3 12/14/93 and > #2 12/07/93 > Ogier #6 01/18/94 (This is hard to read and probably Ogler not Ogier but thought I'd mention it anyway) > Williams #8 02/01/94 and > #9 02/08/94 > > If your name isn't listed above, I haven't found it yet but I'm still reading. If you don't want to wait for the transcripts on Betty Shinn's site, let me know and I will send you the image version. > > Elizabeth Garland

I am just helping out my fellow genealogist by putting them on my site. Elizabeth Garland supplied the sketches and MaryLu Metz is transcribing them for me. The Thanks goes to them for all their work.

Copyright stuff aside, thank you Betty for all the effort expended in providing these transcriptions and also to any others who might have assisted you. These are great and your web site is great. I have already verified a previously un-proven marriage from your efforts. Thank you Gary Lamb Plano, TX In a message dated 6/19/2008 6:53:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bfrecker@verizon.net writes: The text of the articles themselves is in the public domain since they were published before 1923. The design and layout of the web pages can be copyrighted, though. At 07:36 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote: >I noticed that you copyrighted the Historical Sketches. Very wise business >decision. That way no one can submit them to another website or use them >for profit. MaryLu > > >On 6/19/08 3:10 PM, "Betty Shinn" <bshinn@cebridge.net> wrote: > > > All who are interested in the Historical Sketches can view three > of them at: > > http://bettyshinn.com > > The rest will be added as they are transcribed. > > > > > > > > > > > > ================== > > To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >================== >To review all messages sent to the mailing list, >visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1509 - Release Date: >6/19/2008 8:00 AM ================== To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

The text of the articles themselves is in the public domain since they were published before 1923. The design and layout of the web pages can be copyrighted, though. At 07:36 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote: >I noticed that you copyrighted the Historical Sketches. Very wise business >decision. That way no one can submit them to another website or use them >for profit. MaryLu > > >On 6/19/08 3:10 PM, "Betty Shinn" <bshinn@cebridge.net> wrote: > > > All who are interested in the Historical Sketches can view three > of them at: > > http://bettyshinn.com > > The rest will be added as they are transcribed. > > > > > > > > > > > > ================== > > To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >================== >To review all messages sent to the mailing list, >visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1509 - Release Date: >6/19/2008 8:00 AM

well thanks to ALL of you involved in it. S ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Shinn To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches I am just helping out my fellow genealogist by putting them on my site. Elizabeth Garland supplied the sketches and MaryLu Metz is transcribing them for me. The Thanks goes to them for all their work. ================== To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All who are interested in the Historical Sketches can view three of them at: http://bettyshinn.com The rest will be added as they are transcribed.

I thnaks her too but my post never showed :-( Maybe this one will ----- Original Message ----- From: circa_1948 To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches much appreciated Betty, looks like hard work. Nice how you put names in bold. Thanks Sunny IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: TSQAIR@aol.com To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches Copyright stuff aside, thank you Betty for all the effort expended in providing these transcriptions and also to any others who might have assisted you. These are great and your web site is great. I have already verified a previously un-proven marriage from your efforts. Thank you Gary Lamb Plano, TX In a message dated 6/19/2008 6:53:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bfrecker@verizon.net writes: The text of the articles themselves is in the public domain since they were published before 1923. The design and layout of the web pages can be copyrighted, though. At 07:36 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote: >I noticed that you copyrighted the Historical Sketches. Very wise business >decision. That way no one can submit them to another website or use them >for profit. MaryLu > > >On 6/19/08 3:10 PM, "Betty Shinn" <bshinn@cebridge.net> wrote: > > > All who are interested in the Historical Sketches can view three > of them at: > > http://bettyshinn.com > > The rest will be added as they are transcribed. > > > > > > > > > > > > ================== > > To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >================== >To review all messages sent to the mailing list, >visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1509 - Release Date: >6/19/2008 8:00 AM ================== To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ================== To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

much appreciated Betty, looks like hard work. Nice how you put names in bold. Thanks Sunny IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Shinn To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches All who are interested in the Historical Sketches can view three of them at: http://bettyshinn.com The rest will be added as they are transcribed.

The layout is copyrightable; the content of the sketches remain public domain. Sunny IBSSG --- Original Message ----- From: MaryLu Metz To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches I noticed that you copyrighted the Historical Sketches. Very wise business decision. That way no one can submit them to another website or use them for profit. MaryLu On 6/19/08 3:10 PM, "Betty Shinn" <bshinn@cebridge.net> wrote: > All who are interested in the Historical Sketches can view three of them at: > http://bettyshinn.com > The rest will be added as they are transcribed. > > > > > > ================== > To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ================== To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://groups.msn.com/CambridgeJeffersonian1878-1906 The title years are no longer the only years they will look up, they've expanded to past thru present day articles. The group was started to have a place to store newspaper articles from the Cambridge Jeffersonian, which is located in Guernsey County, Ohio. They wanted to share these newspaper articles with others free of charge. They found info on my dad and his FIL that I had never known about or found in newspaperarchive.com, angst-cestry or all my other sites for newspaper lookups. The member's have contributed numerous resources and items and they are searchable. They also do census lookups. Sunny IBSSG

I noticed that you copyrighted the Historical Sketches. Very wise business decision. That way no one can submit them to another website or use them for profit. MaryLu On 6/19/08 3:10 PM, "Betty Shinn" <bshinn@cebridge.net> wrote: > All who are interested in the Historical Sketches can view three of them at: > http://bettyshinn.com > The rest will be added as they are transcribed. > > > > > > ================== > To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Is there any Haggerty or Kirkpatrick in your search? Pat

I haven't seen them yet but I'll keep my eyes open! > To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:51:17 -0400 > From: senorasimcox@aol.com > Subject: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches > > Elizabeth, > > Is there any Maple's or Fuller's in the sketches? > > jamie > > ================== > To review all messages sent to the mailing list, visit http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ohguerns > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OHGUERNS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a bit overloaded but I'm pleased to say that Betty Shinn is adding the articles to her website (http://bettyshinn.com) so they may be available soon. MaryLu Mezt is also transcribing them (Bless her!) and Betty will then add the transcriptions to her website saving her a lot of space over the image files. With a little luck, all 28 articles will be available soon. I am continuing to read he articles myself and will continue to keep a look out for the names I have collected. Thanks for all the interest. I'm so pleased that I have been able to help my fellow researchers. Elizabeth > From: Tltreat37@aol.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:58:01 -0400 > To: ohguerns@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches > > Hello Elizabeth > > What a fine offer you made. From the looks of the response you mat be over > loaded. > Nimrod had a son Levi Williams who moved to Iowa abt 1850. But there were > two levi Williams in Guernsey CO during this period. > > Attached is a file that lists my family. If it doesn't come through I can > send it to you directly. > > Tom > tltreat37@aol.com > > > In a message dated 6/13/2008 6:46:40 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > ebarwick@hotmail.com writes: > > Hi. You are the second person today to ask about the Williams family who > were some of the earliest settlers of Guernsey. Does Levi Williams > or Dr. Heslip Williams ring a bell? If so, I can put you in touch with the > other researcher. Regardless, I will add your Williams ancestors to my list > and I will let you know if I come across them while reading the articles. I > have 2 small children so it's going to take me a little time to read all 28 > articles but I promise to let you know if I find anything.Glad to > help!Elizabeth> From: Tltreat37@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:27:02 -0400> To: > ohguerns@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches> > Hello> > > My name is Tom Treat and I live in New Mexico.> > My interest is the > Quaker Williams family of Salesville area specifically > Joseph Williams and > son Nimrod Williams. Joseph was the first in Guernsey when > it was created. > I can supply first names if you want of children of both > Joseph and > Nimrod.> > Thanks for any Help> > Tom Treat> _tltreat@aol.com_ > (mailto:tltreat@aol.com) > > > > > In a message dated 6/13/2008 8:57:52 A.M. Mou! > ntain Daylight Time, > xtlynne@charter.net writes:> > Elizabeth Garland > wrote:> > How disappointing that I can't post them! I guess the only way to > deal > with it for the moment is to send them to anyone who might be > interested. > Also, if anyone cares to send me the surnames of interest, I can keep > a look out > for them as I read. Betty Shinn has also said that she might > post them on > her website, so let's see if that happens. Unfortunately, I > don't have the > time to transcribe them at the moment.> > > > Hope I can > find a way to share them. They are great little nuggets of > info.> > > > > Elizabeth> > > > > >> From: lainee@earthlink.net> >> To: > ohguerns@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:52:03 -0500> >> Subject: Re: [OHGUERNS] > Local Historical Sketches> >>> >> Elizabeth,> >>> >> You can't send > attachments to RootsWeb lists. The only way to do > something> >> like that is to > transcribe it and send it as plain text.> >>> >> Lainee> >>> >>> >>> ! > [Original Message]> >>> From: Elizabeth Garland <ebarwick@hotmail.co > m>> >>> To: <ohguerns@rootsweb.com>> >>> Date: 6/12/2008 5:17:37 PM> >>> > Subject: [OHGUERNS] Local Historical Sketches> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I have a > subscription to NewspaperArchive.com and I have been doing a > lot> >> of > family research in the Cambridge Jeffersonian. During my research, I> >> > found a collection of articles published in 1893/1894 called "Local> >> > Historical Sketches, Miscellaneous Events from 1813 to the Present." > There> >> > are about 28 articles and they provide an interesting view of the history> > >> of Guernsey County written from the perspective of someone in 1893. Keep> > >> in mind that these are image files and since the original was not in > the> >> best of shape, there are some bits that are unreadable. The thing I > like> >> about them is that they provide a view into daily life of the time > that > you> >> can't find in Census records or other official docs. 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Thank you so much Elizabeth - and way to go Betty and MaryLu. Will you please let us know when you do have some available? I too look forward to seeing if the surnames I'm looking for are in there. Thanks for Betty's site - I'll look there soon (I know I'll give you some time too :) Thanks so much ladies! -JO On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:26 PM, ohguerns-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I am a bit overloaded but I'm pleased to say that Betty Shinn is > adding the articles to her website (http://bettyshinn.com) so they > may be available soon. MaryLu Mezt is also transcribing them (Bless > her!) and Betty will then add the transcriptions to her website > saving her a lot of space over the image files. With a little luck, > all 28 articles will be available soon. I am continuing to read he > articles myself and will continue to keep a look out for the names I > have collected. > > Thanks for all the interest. I'm so pleased that I have been able > to help my fellow researchers. > > Elizabeth